Does cortisol reduction somehow have a relation to the healing of injuries? I’ve got an injury that has been hurting for several weeks, but over the past two days that I’ve been using 11-T it has improved significantly…?
[quote]bretakmf wrote:
Does cortisol reduction somehow have a relation to the healing of injuries? I’ve got an injury that has been hurting for several weeks, but over the past two days that I’ve been using 11-T it has improved significantly…?[/quote]
I would think it is coincidence. If there were an effect in this direction I’d guess it to be from androgenic effect, but that also seems unlikely to be the explanation for your good experience because while androgens do speed healing, it’s not so dramatic. So it could well be that by chance this was going to happen at this time anyway. Anyway, good thing it happened, even it was only by luck it happened right now!
I have two noticeable effects after six applications:
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increased sex drive (at age 41, such is definitely unusual…this = happy girlfriend);
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in running hill sprints today, my first two were record times by three seconds each, and I made great times on all the rest…this remarkable part is this: typically I am WIPED OUT after hill sprints, but today I worked harder than ever yet I feel GREAT–no laying in bed for 1-2 hours recovering…
I apologize in advance if this has been asked, but I read all 18 pages and could not find. I saw that 2 applications per day was superior to 1, and that you are to use 35 sprays. Would I apply 35 sprays on each application, or would I divide it up and do like 17 each? Thanks.
After 5 days of use, 3 being 35 sprays twice a day, and 2 being 7-8 sprays 4-5 times a day I have noticed significant changes. The 35 sprays twice a day seems to have a much better effect.
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I am almost 21 and have a significantly higher sex drive than I have ever had my entire life and “wow”. This is the most profound effect which I find very funny.
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Muscle feels denser, firmer, and gains seem more significant.
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I seem to have no problem eating much higher amounts of food, especially proteins throughout the day. On top of which I am consistently hungry.
I had my doubts but this seems to have eliminated every last one. Get it and you won’t be disappointed.
[quote]rom wrote:
I apologize in advance if this has been asked, but I read all 18 pages and could not find. I saw that 2 applications per day was superior to 1, and that you are to use 35 sprays. Would I apply 35 sprays on each application, or would I divide it up and do like 17 each? Thanks.[/quote]
35 sprays 2x/day
[quote]rom wrote:
I apologize in advance if this has been asked, but I read all 18 pages and could not find. I saw that 2 applications per day was superior to 1, and that you are to use 35 sprays. Would I apply 35 sprays on each application, or would I divide it up and do like 17 each? Thanks.[/quote]
35 sprays each. The resulting application is 5 mL (175 mg) two times per day, or a 10 mL total per day.
The bottle being 240 mL, that is about 24 days’ worth, plus or minus given any variance in amount sprayed. We put it as being 3 weeks’ worth.
[quote]subfission wrote:
After 5 days of use, 3 being 35 sprays twice a day, and 2 being 7-8 sprays 4-5 times a day I have noticed significant changes. The 35 sprays twice a day seems to have a much better effect.
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I am almost 21 and have a significantly higher sex drive than I have ever had my entire life and “wow”. This is the most profound effect which I find very funny.
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Muscle feels denser, firmer, and gains seem more significant.
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I seem to have no problem eating much higher amounts of food, especially proteins throughout the day. On top of which I am consistently hungry.
I had my doubts but this seems to have eliminated every last one. Get it and you won’t be disappointed. [/quote]
at 5’10", 165lbs, your $125 bucks would have been better spent at sams club buying chicken and/or steak in bulk. while the 11-T may be a great product, i highly doubt that after 3 days use, you have made any kind of gains to “seem” significant.
you say you are eating much more…again, at your height and weight, if you suddenly eat much more than you were previously, you may be storing some glycogen that your body has been starved for, or you may simply be holding more water than usual.
as Bill Roberts pointed out, a few months shy of 21 probably isnt a big deal. however, add that to the fact that you are 5’10"/165lbs, and it seems like youre looking for a quick fix on how to get big.
im not trying to rip into you, or make you feel bad. i did not create this product, nor to i have vast knowledge of it, but at your height/weight/age (as opposed to someone at the same stats thats 50y/o), the only supplement you really need is food. if this were a miracle supplement that could slap 10lbs of lean mass on you in two weeks, you still would not be at the level of development where a product like this would be necessary.
put it in your freezer, put on 30lbs and then think about using it- at this point youll still have enough for the full dose of 2 x 35 sprays twice a day, for two weeks.
besides the fact that i personally dont think you need/are ready for the product, anyone who thinks logically about your claims can easily discredit the product. the fact that youre 5’10" and 165lbs, and have spent enough on this site to be a “level 4”- it is pretty evident to me that you simply havent been eating enough.
if i sold you flintstones vitamins and told you it was d-bol, and to really increase your caloric intake, and it resulted in you growing some new muscles all of a sudden, they’d still only be yummy fruity flavored children’s vitamins.
i hope you take this for what its worth, and not an attack.
id also like to clarify, that im not saying that using the example of someone that under-eats and then ramps up their eating, thinking they are supercharged by 11-T, to discredit the product would necessarily be justified; what i am saying is that that particular example would make it very fuzzy as to what effects were coming from the product, and what was simply coming from suddenly eating to grow.
It’s always worth noting that ANY individual result may have a cause different than the factor that was introduced at the same time that the result happened.
Back before having ever used the juice and about four or five years into training (I didn’t start training till 30) there were two occasions where, totally unexpectedly and for no particular cause, I suddenly gained 5 lb of muscle in a week. Definitely muscle, not fat or water… just suddenly and for no particular reason. Inexplicable. Just for whatever reason, the body “wanted to” and was ready for a muscular growth spurt at those times.
Had I by chance started a new supplement at the same time, it would have looked as if the supplement caused the gain.
As another example, there’s a writer on this site whom over the years I’ve learned for sure is a straight shooter, that many years ago in another magazine reported gaining 5 lb LBM from a given supplement, a supplement that we now know either just doesn’t work at all or if it works at all, certainly not dramatically and not at the dosage used.
But did he make the gain at the same time as trying the supplement? I have no doubt he did. But, trying many things over many years, it probably was bound to happen that sooner or later, a time when he was going to suddenly put on some muscle mass happened to occur at the same time as trying some new thing.
Not that it’s unlikely in subfission’s case that 11-T was a significant help, but it’s both true that dez6485 makes some solid points that subfission is an a position where such gains could quite likely have been obtained with nothing but the increased food intake and possibly increased training drive due to enthusiasm for using something new, and also that any single report of success happening at the same time as starting a new product may be an uncaused result, due to coincidence-only… just something to keep in mind for any product.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It’s always worth noting that ANY individual result may have a cause different than the factor that was introduced at the same time that the result happened
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Not that it’s unlikely in subfission’s case that 11-T was a significant help, but it’s both true that dez6485 makes some solid points that subfission is an a position where such gains could quite likely have been obtained with nothing but the increased food intake and possibly increased training drive due to enthusiasm for using something new, and also that any single report of success happening at the same time as starting a new product may be an uncaused result, due to coincidence-only… just something to keep in mind for any product.[/quote]
Bill, that’s probably the first time I’ve ever heard of any company representative offering an alternative explanation for people getting results when using the company’s product, let alone a new product on the product forum thread. Your honesty is refreshing, thanks for it.
Thanks, T Ham!
Well, it’s just one of those general principles that is undoubtedly true, but is worth mentioning because it’s often not considered as much as it should be.
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
at 5’10", 165lbs, your $125 bucks would have been better spent at sams club buying chicken and/or steak in bulk. while the 11-T may be a great product, i highly doubt that after 3 days use, you have made any kind of gains to “seem” significant.
you say you are eating much more…again, at your height and weight, if you suddenly eat much more than you were previously, you may be storing some glycogen that your body has been starved for, or you may simply be holding more water than usual.
as Bill Roberts pointed out, a few months shy of 21 probably isnt a big deal. however, add that to the fact that you are 5’10"/165lbs, and it seems like youre looking for a quick fix on how to get big.
im not trying to rip into you, or make you feel bad. i did not create this product, nor to i have vast knowledge of it, but at your height/weight/age (as opposed to someone at the same stats thats 50y/o), the only supplement you really need is food. if this were a miracle supplement that could slap 10lbs of lean mass on you in two weeks, you still would not be at the level of development where a product like this would be necessary.
put it in your freezer, put on 30lbs and then think about using it- at this point youll still have enough for the full dose of 2 x 35 sprays twice a day, for two weeks.
besides the fact that i personally dont think you need/are ready for the product, anyone who thinks logically about your claims can easily discredit the product. the fact that youre 5’10" and 165lbs, and have spent enough on this site to be a “level 4”- it is pretty evident to me that you simply havent been eating enough.
if i sold you flintstones vitamins and told you it was d-bol, and to really increase your caloric intake, and it resulted in you growing some new muscles all of a sudden, they’d still only be yummy fruity flavored children’s vitamins.
i hope you take this for what its worth, and not an attack. [/quote]
I will attest to the effectiveness of this product.
I’m 6’2" 205, on my 6th day of 11-T (2 x 35 daily)…and I’ve experienced the same results. I’m not eating any more than I did before (eating a little smarter this week), and I was witnessing visible and pretty substantial fat-loss in just three days. I’ve never seen fat-loss results like this from anything (except one time when I was REALLY sick and lost about 20 lbs)
My strength is only slightly more than it was pre-11-T, but I’d say that’s pretty significant given the amount of fat that I’ve lost.
Coincidence? or 11-T?
At this point, I think it’s way too early to notice changes.
It’s only been one week, but I don’t see or feel any visible changes. I’ll update my T-Cell thread in another week, but at this point I’m not expecting much. Maybe after 4 weeks (even though 2 are off), the changes will be more noticeable.
Those that are reporting visible changes in such a short time (fat loss, whatever), do you have any measurements to back it up?
Just curious since sometimes people tend to look harder or more closely for changes, when there really isn’t.
Willith-
im not bashing this product at all. but you, similar to the other guy that claim significant results, havent said anything really about your results.
as jehovasfitness just said, what about some numbers. it is completely useless for you to tell us that you are 6’2" 205lbs and have witnessed visible and substantial fat loss inside of 3 days. What were you before the 11-T? if you were 6’2", 215lbs, then that tells us something. if you were 6’2", 205lbs 3 days ago, and are still 6’2" 205lbs, then we have nothing.
better yet, for such claims as substantial fat loss after just three days, id think youd need some sort of bodyfat test to prove much other than just a result of “eating smarter”.
im going to take a minute now to make a point:
“eating smarter” right when you try a brand new supplement really makes no sense! while it isnt ideal to eat like crap, introduce a new supplement, and continue to eat like crap, it actually makes more sense than eating like crap and then introducing a new supplement and smarter eating at the same time. not that “eating smarter” will produce a significant difference in just three days, but it skews the results.
after two weeks, if you have made body composition changes, even if the 11-T helped (i like Biotest, im sure it does), you have no way of telling how significantly the supplement impacted your physique.
“eating smarter” could very well shed a few pounds in three days simply in initial water weight, and give the appearance of being leaner due to less bloat!
if people are to take this product and any other product seriously, then they need to get their nutrition in order first, or at least not radically change something right when they begin taking the new supplement- that makes no sense!
I have done two sprays (last night and this morning) so far and have today felt very depressed and irritable and angry. Why might this be I think that I will stop. I also think this is an individual thing a few years ago I had to take some type of steroid for an allergic reaction and went basicly completly insane(constant tantrums hated everyone and suicidal) why would I get this effect?
I also want to note I love Biotest stuff and the rest I have tried has been great so this doesn’t mean it is a bad sup I just think I personally have a reaction to this type of thing.
Dez- again excellent points.
I’ve made a thread with all measurements as well as holding off on restarting BETA-7.
My nutrition is the exact same as it’s been for the past 6 months. The only thing prior to starting 11-T is that my current caloric intake no longer is making me gain weight. I’ve wanted to up the calories again, but I’m holding off until my trial of 11-T is complete.
jehovasfitness-
with my brief understanding of the product, id think it might be beneficial for you to increase your calories at least a bit, if your goal is to gain muscle weight.
from my understanding, and i could be very wrong, but this product will, for lack of a better word, help “prevent” calories that would have been stored as fat, from being so. therefore, you could eat a bit more and not be so concerned about putting on fat, as you may have been without the product. of course, i am greatly simplifying the product and what it is doing, but i believe that to be the net result.
if i am wrong about that i am hoping Mr. Roberts will correct me.
on the other hand, if you are shedding fat and gaining muscle at the same time, and staying at practically the same weight, that would be very desirable (at least in my book) too, and may be accomplished without any changes in diet.
Mr. Roberts,
it occurs to me after my attempt above that i havent read much about diet/nutrition in regards to this product. i have made my guess about what would be beneficial/ideal, but im sure you could do much better. what would be ideal in terms of nutrition while using this product? or should it produce results with the same diet one was following before introducing the product?
thanks
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
Willith-
as jehovasfitness just said, what about some numbers. it is completely useless for you to tell us that you are 6’2" 205lbs and have witnessed visible and substantial fat loss inside of 3 days. What were you before the 11-T? if you were 6’2", 215lbs, then that tells us something. if you were 6’2", 205lbs 3 days ago, and are still 6’2" 205lbs, then we have nothing.
better yet, for such claims as substantial fat loss after just three days, id think youd need some sort of bodyfat test to prove much other than just a result of “eating smarter”.
im going to take a minute now to make a point:
“eating smarter” right when you try a brand new supplement really makes no sense! while it isnt ideal to eat like crap, introduce a new supplement, and continue to eat like crap, it actually makes more sense than eating like crap and then introducing a new supplement and smarter eating at the same time. not that “eating smarter” will produce a significant difference in just three days, but it skews the results.
“eating smarter” could very well shed a few pounds in three days simply in initial water weight, and give the appearance of being leaner due to less bloat!
if people are to take this product and any other product seriously, then they need to get their nutrition in order first, or at least not radically change something right when they begin taking the new supplement- that makes no sense![/quote]
Maybe I read this wrong, but TO ME:
It sounds like you consider “eating smartER” to mean “well I was eating at McDonald’s every meal…but now all I eat is boiled chicken breast and egg whites.” I didn’t realize THAT much clarification was needed.
For me all it was, was a slight carb-shift.
I try to have oatmeal with peanut butter in the morning vs. 1/2 a serving of muscle milk collegiate. (- carbs)
(skinless)Chicken AND Rice post-workout (as opposed to just chicken) (+carbs)
and I try not to have a lot of carbs at night. (- carbs)
(No- this is not ALL I eat; I’m sure this needs clarifying for some of you.)
So, a slight net minus of carbs. I’m sure you’ll find someway to argue that that constitutes visibly losing fat in only three days- because let’s face it- you’re the “eating smarter” guru.
I don’t eat out at all. I didn’t change what I eat. I didn’t add cardio to my routine. If anything I’m doing much less walking now than I was two weeks ago because the semester is over and I don’t have to walk to class (maybe that’s what made me lose fat???) If you’re so bent on getting honest results why don’t you TRY IT FOR YOURSELF.
And now, if you’ll allow ME to be extremely patronizing:
I saw a few people who bought 11-T said they were going to start training logs. (Probably so they wouldn’t have to clutter up thread after thread because of nay-sayers wanting to argue) I’m starting mine tonight. I took pics the day I got 11-T (yes, of course before putting it on- I’m sure I need to clarify that for some of you)
I will take pics on Sat. Aug. 30. (when I have to stop because I’m flying back home). I’ll wait two weeks, take more pics and then finish up the bottle at which time I will…take more pics. It’ll all be put in the training log- where you can further critique/discriminate my diet/workout and castrate my confidence with your wit and intellect. I’ll even put measurements (or numbers) up there too, to correspond with said pictures.
And guess what else? Body fat testing! The very last day for my “first cycle” of 11-T, the same day I go home, will also be a day I’m getting my bodyfat tested. Once you have that, you should have all the numbers you need to jack-off too.
And now if I may make a point: If you weren’t such a patronizing ass who thought you knew more than everyone else, you probably could’ve figured out what I just told you, all on your own. You know- instead of “WTF, Five days already and no measurements? Must be all smoke and mirrors just like I figured…”
I’m not taking pics or measurements everyday. Do you? Even when you’re on a new supplement? I bet you take measurements before, half-way, and after- and if you think you see results, you might do it then too.
I’m not that obsessed. If you are, maybe you should talk to somebody about it.
Yes, I realize I made a claim that I need to back up. And I WILL. But YOU need to realize that when it’s more than one person making these claims, about a product doing what it’s suppose to do…it might actually be true. The reason I gave ANY stats in the first place is because you tried to pwn that other kid. I’m 4 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than him- but you didn’t tell me I need to be eating more and that this was just a big waste of money that should’ve been spent at Sams. Why not?
To put your mind at ease:
I’ve lost ONE inch off my waste (maybe from all those carbs I’m not eating now?!?!?)
Absolutely NO growth in ANY area, except slight, slight, growth in my shoulders. (maybe it’s from working out? dunno…) and my arms look bigger (prolly just cause I WANT them to)
I’ll getchya those numbers soon 