Maybe I missed it, but does the white residue mean you over sprayed?
I got a few blotches here and there, but sprayed one spot and moved a few inches over and repeated
I’m guessing the icy-hot effect is from the methanol in the spray. Frickin’ thing needs a warning “Only spray in well ventilated area!” OMFG Cough Cough
Didn’t keep track of my sprays, but I used a very light coat. I’m guessing it’s effects will be negligible, so we’ll see how the next 2 weeks goes.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but does the white residue mean you over sprayed?
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yes. i overlapped a bit on my arms, but then got the hang of it and sprayed it like i was using an airbrush–moving while spraying.
[quote]skohcl wrote:
I’m guessing the icy-hot effect is from the methanol in the spray. Frickin’ thing needs a warning “Only spray in well ventilated area!” OMFG Cough Cough
+1
Didn’t keep track of my sprays, but I used a very light coat. I’m guessing it’s effects will be negligible, so we’ll see how the next 2 weeks goes.[/quote]
Even with 35 sprays i feel like im not covering every inch of my arms, chest, torso, and legs. I’m doing a very light coating as well. I hope it works…
On the other hand i had a great workout today and a good pump. I don’t know if i can attribute this to 11-T because its only my 3rd application but i guess i’ll see hopefully in the next few days.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
As always, topically applied Fina is a great way to go and gives good value for the money, though not as good as self-made injectable. Which really is not too hard to do at all.
It really would not be necessary to use the 11-T solution for making it. The sprayer is ideal for the purpose, whereas sprayers I’ve found in products sold at the drugstore or supermarket are not, but that would require only a used 11-T bottle or an old Androsol bottle.
You would want to use 99% isopropyl alcohol. While the 11-T has an added penetration enhancer, I don’t think that’s necessary with trenbolone acetate. Well it certainly isn’t necessary, that wasn’t the right way to put it, but the point is I’m not sure with the trenbolone acetate it would help at all, as there are some differing physical properties.
I preferred 25 mg/mL in the case of Finasol.
The biggest issue is the annoyance of the filler tending to clog things up. Making a solution well in advance and letting it settle helps with that.
I haven’t evaluated stacking effects with 11-T vs differing anabolic steroids. It’s entirely possible and I think not at all unlikely that straight Fina would be the more economical way to go for any given effect.
In the case of mixing Fina with Androsol, there was a synergistic tacking benefit due to the properties of 4-AD. But I don’t know that that’s true with 11-T.
That’s a very interesting question on how to minimize IGF-1 readings. I don’t know, but I’ll try to think about it and look into it.
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I tried asking this in the “steroid” forum, but got no response. Hope I’m not too off topic by asking it here…
What do you guys think of mixing Androgel with 99% isopropyl alcohol, ala ‘finaplix’? If it works for a delivery system for 4-AD, fina, and now 11-T, would making androgel into a "spray-on’ increase the absorption rate?
I’d love to hear Bill Roberts’s take on this.
Have to add in, it’s great to have Bill Roberts back…and I’ll echo the sentiment that Androsol, as was MAG-10, was a simply incredible product!
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
HD8 wrote:
Bill if you had to be ripped in 6 weeks time which would be more effective - half the maximum dose continuously for 6 weeks or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 2 weeks on ?
If it were me, because the final stages are harder, I would want the maximum effect in the last few weeks. The need for “help” is greater as bodyfat gets lower and lower but the desire is to get lower yet.
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By maximum effect I assume max dose at 2 weeks on /off right?
Thanks appreciate all your help
[quote]skohcl wrote:
I’m guessing the icy-hot effect is from the methanol in the spray. Frickin’ thing needs a warning “Only spray in well ventilated area!” OMFG Cough Cough
Didn’t keep track of my sprays, but I used a very light coat. I’m guessing it’s effects will be negligible, so we’ll see how the next 2 weeks goes.[/quote]
No shit! I recommend doing your spraying in the bath room with the ventilation fan ON.
I dig the cooling sensation from the menthol. Nice after a hard workout.
I’m feeling a little tingle in my legs, which is good because I was afraid I would be unable to penetrate the thick forest of gorilla hair on them.
Holy Shit! Sold out already.
I guess this means 8 weeks until a restock. Right?
Oh well at least when (if) this gets restocked then there will be some decent feedback about this.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
No shit! I recommend doing your spraying in the bath room with the ventilation fan ON.
I dig the cooling sensation from the menthol. Nice after a hard workout.
I’m feeling a little tingle in my legs, which is good because I was afraid I would be unable to penetrate the thick forest of gorilla hair on them.
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So it did work ok with body hair? Damn, and I broke out the clippers for nothing!
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
toughcasey wrote:
bill, i had my a.m. cortisol blood work done not too long ago, would it be possible to see the effects of 11-T on this test or am i mis-understanding the function of the product? thanks
I’m confused as to why people say the are going to have cortisol tests before and after 11-T use.
I think Bill has said that 11-T shouldn’t significantly alter systemic cortisol levels because it’s tissue specific.
Is this correct, Bill?[/quote]
Yes.
The enzyme that the active ingredient inhibits, 11b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (11b-HSD) Type 1, has the job of locally, within tissues, converting cortisone to cortisol. This results in increasing cortisol levels within that tissue.
But that enzyme is not involved in systemic cortisol production.
[quote]HD8 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
HD8 wrote:
Bill if you had to be ripped in 6 weeks time which would be more effective - half the maximum dose continuously for 6 weeks or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off 2 weeks on ?
If it were me, because the final stages are harder, I would want the maximum effect in the last few weeks. The need for “help” is greater as bodyfat gets lower and lower but the desire is to get lower yet.
By maximum effect I assume max dose at 2 weeks on /off right?
Thanks appreciate all your help[/quote]
Yes.
You’re most certainly welcome!
[quote]Ironliftr3 wrote:
I tried asking this in the “steroid” forum, but got no response. Hope I’m not too off topic by asking it here…
What do you guys think of mixing Androgel with 99% isopropyl alcohol, ala ‘finaplix’? If it works for a delivery system for 4-AD, fina, and now 11-T, would making androgel into a "spray-on’ increase the absorption rate?
I’d love to hear Bill Roberts’s take on this.
Have to add in, it’s great to have Bill Roberts back…and I’ll echo the sentiment that Androsol, as was MAG-10, was a simply incredible product!
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That is probably a most excellent idea.
[quote]BeforeIforget wrote:
Didn’t keep track of my sprays, but I used a very light coat. I’m guessing it’s effects will be negligible, so we’ll see how the next 2 weeks goes.
Even with 35 sprays i feel like im not covering every inch of my arms, chest, torso, and legs. I’m doing a very light coating as well. I hope it works…[/quote]
35 sprays may be applied to as little as half of that area without being too thick.
If applied so thinly as to be nearly all of that area, there may well be patches where there is none applied but that does not matter. The total area that did get applied to is good in this case and the duration of action will still be good.
[quote]Willith wrote:
EDIT: I did get white residue in a couple places on my arms- no where else though.[/quote]
White residue = too heavily applied in that spot.
There would be reason to do that only if planning to store long term. If doing it, be sure to allow enough time back at room temperature, and shaking the bottle if necessary, to get the active redissolved again, as it will probably precipitate out at low temperature.
[quote]hypnotoad wrote:
sorry if this has been asked, or i missed it in the article. but what is the effect of the non-used cortisol on the body? as i understand it, this product does not diminish the amount of cortisol produced, it only blocks it at certain points. for example, if only half the usual amount of cortisol is used, what becomes of the rest, and what possible effects does this unused portion have on the body, if any?[/quote]
It has no effect on cortisol that was produced by the adrenals, but reduces the local amount of conversion to cortisone to cortisol within those tissues.
So there’s not from the process cortisol that would have existed that is now unused.
[quote]d_frappier wrote:
Bill, is it supposed to feel like icy-hot all over my body, and I know what you mean by white residue from over spray… I tried not to but it isnt quite clear where it is sprayed since it comes out as mist…
Dan[/quote]
Don’t worry about watching where it’s sprayed so much, just keep the sprayer moving and try not to overlap sprays with already-sprayed skin.
[quote]T Ham wrote:
Would it be feasible for tests to detect elevated metabolites?[/quote]
Not really because the metabolites will be identical to those from the amount of the compound (17b-hydroxyadrenosterone) already existing in the body.
That we’re supplying the acetate doesn’t change this. The compound will be the unesterified parent compound by the time it gets through the skin, and acetate is also naturally present.
The question that I have is there any type of soap to avoid while using 11-T because of moisturizers such as Dove?
I don’t tend to think that any of the moisturizing bar soaps change the skin enough to be an issue, though I’m hardly an expert on those. But they don’t seem to.
Your general concern makes a lot of sense and almost undoubtedly I think would be an issue if using a moisturizing lotion, as they really do leave a lot in the skin.
The active needs to dissolve into the skin, not into a residue of a moisturizing lotion which then readily could be sweated or rubbed off.
So just wondering if 11-T is the famed “Anaconda” people have been waiting for on this site for a few years? Or do we still have another supp to look out for in the future?