So You Think You Run a Calorie Deficit?

In a few weeks, I start fasting - sounds awesome right?

I’m not cutting, and its not intermittent.
For the month of Ramadan, I abstain from food, drink (including water) during the daylight hours. From ~4:30AM to 7:30PM, I’ll be running on only what I’ve eaten while the sun was down. Repeat this cycle for 30 days, and you get the month.

In reality, I’ve been doing this for 13 or 14 years now, so the hunger doesn’t bother me. I’ve fasted the longest days of the year (think 4:00 to 20:30) and its not so bad, what gets to you is the sleep.

BUT I’M NOT HERE TO BITCH!
I’ve always sucked up the large losses I take during this month to my mass, but now that I’m here I figured I’d ask you meatheads: I have a couple of precious waking hours where I’m able to eat; what should I eat?

It sounds like a simple question, but really its something I’d love to experiment with - I just want to do the best I can to even just maintain my mass or anything close to it, rather than dropping eight or nine pounds. I’ve proven I can lift while fasting, I just need to keep the volume in check. Doing this, my strength doesn’t die much (I’ve PR’d while fasting, actually - its all in your head [stomach])

So, you nutrition experts, what is YOUR opinion on crap I should be eating? I have two meals, one “breakfast” and one “supper.” Remeber, “stuff your face” isn’t the best option, your body is so tired such an overload of food just makes you pass out - chances are you’ll miss “breakfast.”

Thanks in advance brahs

To give you an idea of what I eat currently, my dinner normally looks like something out of Thanksgiving, and my breakfast is normally some eggs (varies, after awhile you ironically can barely stomach anything at 4AM) with some oatmeal and such. It sounds retarded but try getting to day 25 and eating solid

Read the intermittent fasting thread.

Fast Ends

Consume Pre wo 2:1 shake

Lift heavy weights

Comsume Post wo 2:1 shake

Eat hugenormous meal before bed

Repeat for 30 days.

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Fast Ends

Consume Pre wo 2:1 shake

Lift heavy weights

Comsume Post wo 2:1 shake

Eat hugenormous meal before bed

Repeat for 30 days.[/quote]

This would be awesome, but the issue I’ve run into every time I’ve played the planning game in my head is I have a three-hour window in which I’m awake and able to eat at night. Also remember (for the guy up there suggesting I read the IF thread) that all liquids are off-limits, and 16/8 and such is cute when you can place the hours (“three giant meals over 8 hours” etc).

I get 7p - 10p, I try to sleep after 10, then like 4:30 - 5:00. For various reasons, I’m typically up after 5am for good, and most likely won’t have the opportunity to be take much of a siesta anywhere. I guess what I mean to say in this thread is what items do you suggest I eat WHEN I eat. I picked up the trick of using glutamine/BCAAs to help slow down catabolism (whether it works, who knows but the mental placebo is nice), but I’m sure there are certain foods that are better than others for this type of thing (fast/slow digesting? does that crap matter at all?)

MAG-10 would probably help as it doesn’t make you feel all that full.

[quote]yusef wrote:
You don’t want food to take over your life this month. [/quote]

Precisely, I don’t want to think about it. If I can get the simple idea of “well, I can eat this at breakfast” then I’ll be set. Even if none of it works, I’ll have the peace of mind I had it all taken care of BEFORE ramadan starts.

Additionally, like you said I’d be happy with maintenance or even a minor loss, hell I’d be ecstatic. I made my biggest weight gains after Ramadan, so even if I take a hit of a few pounds I’m not concerned at all, I just don’t wanna drop another 10.

Warrior Diet by Ori Hofmekler

Pretty much Paleo in the pm.

Seeing as how you’ll have to strive for maximum nutrition in the smallest time possible, nutrient dense foods would be the most beneficial to eat.

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:

[quote]ADvanced TS wrote:
Fast Ends

Consume Pre wo 2:1 shake

Lift heavy weights

Comsume Post wo 2:1 shake

Eat hugenormous meal before bed

Repeat for 30 days.[/quote]

This would be awesome, but the issue I’ve run into every time I’ve played the planning game in my head is I have a three-hour window in which I’m awake and able to eat at night. Also remember (for the guy up there suggesting I read the IF thread) that all liquids are off-limits, and 16/8 and such is cute when you can place the hours (“three giant meals over 8 hours” etc).

I get 7p - 10p, I try to sleep after 10, then like 4:30 - 5:00. For various reasons, I’m typically up after 5am for good, and most likely won’t have the opportunity to be take much of a siesta anywhere. I guess what I mean to say in this thread is what items do you suggest I eat WHEN I eat. I picked up the trick of using glutamine/BCAAs to help slow down catabolism (whether it works, who knows but the mental placebo is nice), but I’m sure there are certain foods that are better than others for this type of thing (fast/slow digesting? does that crap matter at all?)
[/quote]

I fit the protocol I wrote into a 3 hour period on a nightly basis.

At 4:30am I would have a shake with 3 scoops of chocolate casein w/ 4 tbsp of PB. That should ward off hunger for the better part of the day.

what’s your work/school schedule like? would it be possible to shift your sleep schedule a bit to include more daylight hours?

another thought, and take it with a grain of salt since i am not an expert on the matter…
would it be beneficial to go for super low-carb diet? you’ll be hungry at sundown and likely looking for huge carby portions, but perhaps you will lose less muscle in ketosis than otherwise.

I am also fasting/starting to fast and I am in the same position, I was going to get my hands on some caesin and eat it with oatmeal and real peanut butter
I usually take massive losses too but this year I dont want too, so I thought its damn hard for me to put lean mass on with no restriction on eating and training so why not forget bulking and even maintaining, and instead try for fat loss. I have tried an intermittent fasting program before along with a low carb diet and it had good fat loss results but only marginal gains in strength so I am going to attempt a similar diet and training program

Eat a jar of peanut butter everynight. Warm it up in the microwave and just drizzle it on watever else you are eating that night - a easy extra 2,800 kcals or so.

Just an idea…why not train either right before the fast ends or right after?

If you train before, then it should be possible to get at least maintenance calories down in the 3-4 hours before you go to bed.

If you train right after the fast ends, then you could do something like the full Anaconda protocol so that you can get a large amount of nutrients in during your workout and then follow it up with a huge meal before bed.

I’m not one to normally recommend supplements taking the place of real food, but it seems like the best option in terms of getting everything you need in as quickly as possible.

I currently do train right before breaking my fast, the idea of a nice chunk of meat ready for you when you drop the last dumbbell is an amazing motivator.

I’m liking the idea of using casein and peanutbutter from TS.

Additionally, fat loss would be great - if I had much on me, lol. I could be wrong, but I’d put myself no higher than 10% if that. Not because I’m some lean muscular beast, I’m just a skinny underweight twig.

Personally, if I were fasting 20-21 hours out of the day, I would be boatloading carbs during the 4 hours that I was allowed to eat.

[quote]yusef wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Warrior Diet by Ori Hofmekler

Pretty much Paleo in the pm.

Seeing as how you’ll have to strive for maximum nutrition in the smallest time possible, nutrient dense foods would be the most beneficial to eat. [/quote]

Totally disagree with trying to eat paleo or any other stupid shit. You won’t be able to get the calories in.[/quote]

What an ignorant statement.

Given the fact I live in a very ghetto part of NJ I have 4 KFCs within a three mile radius, one of them is less than a mile away.

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
Given the fact I live in a very ghetto part of NJ I have 4 KFCs within a three mile radius, one of them is less than a mile away.[/quote]

I gotta hear this, what town?

http://www.kfc.com/storelocator/Default.aspx?address=07514

I dunno where it puts the center of 07514, but from where I am I’m a mile from the first one and less than three or four from 2, 3, and 4. Even 5 isn’t very far. The awesome part? Across from EACH is ATLEAST another random fried chicken place, often a Broadway Fried Chicken or Kennedy Fried Chicken or that super ghetto chain I always forget the name of.

And adjacent to those fried chicken buildings is often a liquor store - with another liquor store across the street. Friends from other towns crack up when they look out the window of the biggest KFC in town to see 2 competing FC places across the street next to two competing liquor stores.

07514 is Paterson, btw.

[quote]yusef wrote:

[quote]CapnYousef wrote:
Given the fact I live in a very ghetto part of NJ I have 4 KFCs within a three mile radius, one of them is less than a mile away.[/quote]

Lol don’t take that as me saying ‘eat as filthy as possible’ ! The odd family bucket would be fine, but my point is not to go the OTHER extreme and to try eating low carb or something. [/quote]

Oh, and I would never lol I was kidding honest. Only time I was eating KFC more than once a year was when I moved and had 0 kitchen access.

Awesome Patterson lol, Ive heard plenty about it from my high school best friend, who is from lodi.