Well you missed the point of my post then.
Who would have a better chance surviving this mysterious cannibal with a sledgehammer confrontation you’re describing?
Guy who lifts weights?
Guy who trains a realistic fighting art?
again. someone who at least has dealt with someone coming for them will have a better reaction time then joe blow who benches and curls.
I agree its not “self defense” but originally the discussion wasn’t about sticks knives and guns… just man-o a man-o and in such a case the winner will be the guy who actually has fighting experience.
now in a self defense situation it’s usually whoever hits first with the highest advantage.
pulling a gun within 15 feet is often slower than a knife attack, yet go just outside of that and you’ll end up shot. Just having a gun wont save you, yet neither will a knife.
Likewise you can take a hit from someone who has a stick and be ok if they dont know how to swing it.
I’ve been hit by beer bottles, bats, and car doors and never went unconcious… whomever i was fighting couldn’t hit properly… but i bet if i connected with a 26inch piece of rattan that i’ll crush your skull like a stepped on oreo.
Again it will come down to training. Just depends for what situation.
between all 3 characters
Gym guy? If its a bench press competition he’ll win
fighter guy? If its a sanctioned match, he’ll win
mr. realism? If its a brawl/fight in some back alley im sure he’ll win(survive).
again my entire point is. IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU TRAIN FOR.
and im sure you live a very exciting life where you see weird shit all the time but for the rest of us we’re really not seeing any strange shit like that. I dont run into cannibal’s and zombies on a daily basis (Though i did date this one girl…) and i dont think very many of us do either.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Well you missed the point of my post then.
Who would have a better chance surviving this mysterious cannibal with a sledgehammer confrontation you’re describing?
Guy who lifts weights?
Guy who trains a realistic fighting art?
again. someone who at least has dealt with someone coming for them will have a better reaction time then joe blow who benches and curls.
I agree its not “self defense” but originally the discussion wasn’t about sticks knives and guns… just man-o a man-o and in such a case the winner will be the guy who actually has fighting experience.
now in a self defense situation it’s usually whoever hits first with the highest advantage.
pulling a gun within 15 feet is often slower than a knife attack, yet go just outside of that and you’ll end up shot. Just having a gun wont save you, yet neither will a knife.
Likewise you can take a hit from someone who has a stick and be ok if they dont know how to swing it.
I’ve been hit by beer bottles, bats, and car doors and never went unconcious… whomever i was fighting couldn’t hit properly… but i bet if i connected with a 26inch piece of rattan that i’ll crush your skull like a stepped on oreo.
Again it will come down to training. Just depends for what situation.
between all 3 characters
Gym guy? If its a bench press competition he’ll win
fighter guy? If its a sanctioned match, he’ll win
mr. realism? If its a brawl/fight in some back alley im sure he’ll win(survive).
again my entire point is. IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU TRAIN FOR.
and im sure you live a very exciting life where you see weird shit all the time but for the rest of us we’re really not seeing any strange shit like that. I dont run into cannibal’s and zombies on a daily basis (Though i did date this one girl…) and i dont think very many of us do either.
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Good post Xen. Though this thread is about “self defense”.
As far as the article goes…
MacYoung does say some good, practical things about the reality of actual combat in contrast to “sport” combat. But I take issue with a couple of his statements.
he may have started writing about things like awareness, de-escalation methods, etc… in 1989, but he is far from having pioneered or invented those concepts. I know of quite a few guys who were doing/teaching those things long before 1989.
his statement that physical conditioning isn’t important in a real combat/self defense situation is stupid. Yes, I understand that you want to get your shots in and get out as fast as possible, but in a reality where there are no limitations, limiting yourself by not performing your physical conditioning work could come back to haunt you.
He seems to be under the impression that he’ll always have a weapon (gun, knife, his car, etc…) at his disposal. What if he gets attacked by a 250 lb former college linebacker in an airport restroom? Well, he won’t have a gun or knife (since the security measures would have confiscated them) and he’ll be up against someone who is physically bigger, stronger, and possibly more aggressive than him. Really his only chance is to either be so fast that this guy can’t defend his attacks, or he’ll have to try to ride out the storm and wait until help arrives.
I don’t know. I personally think that guys like him are just lazy when they make statements like that.
while I don’t disagree that grappling is good for restraining, that’s not it’s original purpose. The locks were/are actually breaks. If you really know what you are doing you can really mess someone up using grappling (break bones, tear muscles and tendons, paralyze or even kill). Just because in MMA the object is to make someone submit using something like an arm bar and as a result you don’t actually break their arm (tear the biceps tendon for instance) doesn’t mean that one can’t do it in real combat.
A well performed arm bar done by someone who really knows what they are doing done with the intent to break the arm is just one swift movement which winds up with the opponent’s arm completely useless and the artist back up into a fairly safe position (capable of standing right up and clearing, or re-engaging the opponent).
Once again, not bad (I actually think I read his stuff years ago), but for my money there are guys out there who I think are better sources.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
Well you missed the point of my post then.
Who would have a better chance surviving this mysterious cannibal with a sledgehammer confrontation you’re describing?
Guy who lifts weights?
Guy who trains a realistic fighting art?
again. someone who at least has dealt with someone coming for them will have a better reaction time then joe blow who benches and curls.
I agree its not “self defense” but originally the discussion wasn’t about sticks knives and guns… just man-o a man-o and in such a case the winner will be the guy who actually has fighting experience.
now in a self defense situation it’s usually whoever hits first with the highest advantage.
pulling a gun within 15 feet is often slower than a knife attack, yet go just outside of that and you’ll end up shot. Just having a gun wont save you, yet neither will a knife.
Likewise you can take a hit from someone who has a stick and be ok if they dont know how to swing it.
I’ve been hit by beer bottles, bats, and car doors and never went unconcious… whomever i was fighting couldn’t hit properly… but i bet if i connected with a 26inch piece of rattan that i’ll crush your skull like a stepped on oreo.
Again it will come down to training. Just depends for what situation.
between all 3 characters
Gym guy? If its a bench press competition he’ll win
fighter guy? If its a sanctioned match, he’ll win
mr. realism? If its a brawl/fight in some back alley im sure he’ll win(survive).
again my entire point is. IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU TRAIN FOR.
and im sure you live a very exciting life where you see weird shit all the time but for the rest of us we’re really not seeing any strange shit like that. I dont run into cannibal’s and zombies on a daily basis (Though i did date this one girl…) and i dont think very many of us do either.
Good post Xen. Though this thread is about “self defense”.
As far as the article goes…
MacYoung does say some good, practical things about the reality of actual combat in contrast to “sport” combat. But I take issue with a couple of his statements.
he may have started writing about things like awareness, de-escalation methods, etc… in 1989, but he is far from having pioneered or invented those concepts. I know of quite a few guys who were doing/teaching those things long before 1989.
his statement that physical conditioning isn’t important in a real combat/self defense situation is stupid. Yes, I understand that you want to get your shots in and get out as fast as possible, but in a reality where there are no limitations, limiting yourself by not performing your physical conditioning work could come back to haunt you.
He seems to be under the impression that he’ll always have a weapon (gun, knife, his car, etc…) at his disposal. What if he gets attacked by a 250 lb former college linebacker in an airport restroom? Well, he won’t have a gun or knife (since the security measures would have confiscated them) and he’ll be up against someone who is physically bigger, stronger, and possibly more aggressive than him. Really his only chance is to either be so fast that this guy can’t defend his attacks, or he’ll have to try to ride out the storm and wait until help arrives.
I don’t know. I personally think that guys like him are just lazy when they make statements like that.
while I don’t disagree that grappling is good for restraining, that’s not it’s original purpose. The locks were/are actually breaks. If you really know what you are doing you can really mess someone up using grappling (break bones, tear muscles and tendons, paralyze or even kill). Just because in MMA the object is to make someone submit using something like an arm bar and as a result you don’t actually break their arm (tear the biceps tendon for instance) doesn’t mean that one can’t do it in real combat.
A well performed arm bar done by someone who really knows what they are doing done with the intent to break the arm is just one swift movement which winds up with the opponent’s arm completely useless and the artist back up into a fairly safe position (capable of standing right up and clearing, or re-engaging the opponent).
Once again, not bad (I actually think I read his stuff years ago), but for my money there are guys out there who I think are better sources.[/quote]
I only read about the first half of the article, but I think the point he was trying to make is that if some giant beast of a man is trying to start stuff with you, you get the hell out of there before it hits the fan.
With your example of of some college linebacker just bum rushing you out of nowhere in a bathroom, than yeah that could be a bit of a problem. IMO, the chances of some huge friggin guy attacking out of the blue in an enclosed area is pretty damn slim.
Good post Xen. Though this thread is about “self defense”.
As far as the article goes…
MacYoung does say some good, practical things about the reality of actual combat in contrast to “sport” combat. But I take issue with a couple of his statements.
his statement that physical conditioning isn’t important in a real combat/self defense situation is stupid. Yes, I understand that you want to get your shots in and get out as fast as possible, but in a reality where there are no limitations, limiting yourself by not performing your physical conditioning work could come back to haunt you.
He seems to be under the impression that he’ll always have a weapon (gun, knife, his car, etc…) at his disposal. What if he gets attacked by a 250 lb former college linebacker in an airport restroom? Well, he won’t have a gun or knife (since the security measures would have confiscated them) and he’ll be up against someone who is physically bigger, stronger, and possibly more aggressive than him. Really his only chance is to either be so fast that this guy can’t defend his attacks, or he’ll have to try to ride out the storm and wait until help arrives.
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Not true. What he always tries to say is that most people do NOT have the will to do “whatever it takes” to win.
It’s easier to flap your dick in the wind online and claim that you would do all kinds of shit to a dude if he got in your face (Not you, I mean just in general).
What he’s said in most of his books, and that I truly believe, is that aside from those with extensive streetfighting and or combat experience, most people don’t have the heart or stomach or cool head to try to gouge a guys’ eyes out, or, as MacYoung said, bite a guy in the crotch.
All different types of martial arts have all different types of striking points. Sure, your linebacker might be a big angry dude, but for someone who has not only trained for years in martial arts, but also knows what garbage to toss from said martial art, your guys going to be in for a world of hurt if he doesn’t truly know what he’s doing. He’s a big ole’ linebacker, so he’s going to telegraph what is most likely an unbalanced, ungrounded punch, and then likely try to do what most guys will, especially bigger fellas, which is to use their strength to outmuscle someone. That’s dangerous against someone who doesn’t care about ripping your mouth open with a fishook (Seen that happen, it’s fucking disgusting).
That being said, there’s not many places where you can’t get a weapon in, or find something to use as a weapon. One fella I knew clocked someone in the head with a cue ball in a sock, another guy I knew pulled a tiki torch out of the groun and tried to spear someone. I once got hit with full beer bottles that I thought broke my fuckin cheek bone. Someone else I knew smashed a pint glass on someone’s face at a bar and opened him up pretty good. That same guy also had taken a kitchen knife from the bar and put it in his pocket, because he had planned on stabbing the guy.
Airport bathroom? Hell, you could probably stab a guy with a key, or at least stick’em into his eyes. And you still have the same deadly weapon all the time- MacYoung’s “shod foot”. You could choke them with a belt.
I know these things are unlikely, but when you’re fighting some pretty unlikely shit happens.
Again, I disagree. MacYoung never said he was discounting grappling- as he said (and I learned the hard way), you’ve got to know what you’re doing on the ground.
What I’ve always learned, though, and seen, is that the ground is the worst place to be because you’ll get kicked in the head. I garauntee it.
Someone I may or may not know may have had incident where they realized an unfriendly was on the ground and such a thing might have happened.
When I practive BJJ, I try to stay aware of every oppurtunity I have to use a cheap shot. Hell, just grappling alone, no matter what position you’re in, you have the oppurtunity to break any and all fingers, and it takes so little force to do this its’ sick. Grab the balls and twist, eye gouging, fish hooking, and ear ripping are all also extremely easy in that situation.
It just really gets up my ass when people believe that MMA is the be all end all of self defense, because the two are completely different situations with completely different sets of societal rules dictating exactly what happens.
Maybe it just comes from hearing every cock at every bar say, “Don’t fuck wit me dude, I’m going UFC” or “I train MMA, I’ll fuck you up.” Let me save you the trouble- no, you wont.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
IMO, the chances of some huge friggin guy attacking out of the blue in an enclosed area is pretty damn slim.
Looks like we got a serial crusha theory here…[/quote]
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And by the way, my favorite thing out of this was the quote: “When two tigers fight, one dies, and the others is injured”.
Makes all kinds of fighting a lot less attractive.[/quote]
Great words - Speaking as a person who has studied martial arts and also been involved in door work and also many street fights I must agree 100%.
I only read about the first half of the article, but I think the point he was trying to make is that if some giant beast of a man is trying to start stuff with you, you get the hell out of there before it hits the fan.
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Right, and like I said, I think he said some good, practical things. If appropriate one should always try to avoid fighting, and running certainly is a good idea in some cases. But, if we are talking about reality, his statements seem a little too black and white to me.
I agree, unlikely. But not impossible. My example was more to illustrate the reality that, while in a perfect world one would always be armed to the teeth and in a position where you would not only see the attack coming, but could choose to run if things get dicey, reality just doesn’t always work like that.
What if some giant beast of a man starts assaulting you while you are with your wife and 5 year old daughter? Are you going to say “oh well, sorry honey, I’ve just gotta be faster than the slowest person” and run away, abandoning your wife and kid? Hell no. You might very well have to fight that person.
I agree with MacYoung that if you can get your hands on a weapon, it’s a great equalizer. But my point is that you won’t always have access to a combat specific weapon (knives, guns, escrima, sword, etc…) so you’d better be well versed in empty hand combat. And, that if you find yourself up against a bigger, stronger, more aggressive opponent, you may have to outlast them, thus the need for physical conditioning.
Yeah, some street fights last a matter of seconds. But there are no rounds, so they keep going at least until one person stops fighting. That could potentially go on for longer than an MMA round (especially if multiple people become involved), so one could potentially make the argument that training for actual combat should involve as much if not more conditioning that sport fighting.
Not true. What he always tries to say is that most people do NOT have the will to do “whatever it takes” to win.
It’s easier to flap your dick in the wind online and claim that you would do all kinds of shit to a dude if he got in your face (Not you, I mean just in general).
What he’s said in most of his books, and that I truly believe, is that aside from those with extensive streetfighting and or combat experience, most people don’t have the heart or stomach or cool head to try to gouge a guys’ eyes out, or, as MacYoung said, bite a guy in the crotch.
All different types of martial arts have all different types of striking points. Sure, your linebacker might be a big angry dude, but for someone who has not only trained for years in martial arts, but also knows what garbage to toss from said martial art, your guys going to be in for a world of hurt if he doesn’t truly know what he’s doing. He’s a big ole’ linebacker, so he’s going to telegraph what is most likely an unbalanced, ungrounded punch, and then likely try to do what most guys will, especially bigger fellas, which is to use their strength to outmuscle someone. That’s dangerous against someone who doesn’t care about ripping your mouth open with a fishook (Seen that happen, it’s fucking disgusting).
That being said, there’s not many places where you can’t get a weapon in, or find something to use as a weapon. One fella I knew clocked someone in the head with a cue ball in a sock, another guy I knew pulled a tiki torch out of the groun and tried to spear someone. I once got hit with full beer bottles that I thought broke my fuckin cheek bone. Someone else I knew smashed a pint glass on someone’s face at a bar and opened him up pretty good. That same guy also had taken a kitchen knife from the bar and put it in his pocket, because he had planned on stabbing the guy.
Airport bathroom? Hell, you could probably stab a guy with a key, or at least stick’em into his eyes. And you still have the same deadly weapon all the time- MacYoung’s “shod foot”. You could choke them with a belt.
I know these things are unlikely, but when you’re fighting some pretty unlikely shit happens.
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I agree with just about everything you said. And I understand what you mean about not everyone having the stomach to do whatever it takes to win. Not denying that, nor was I trying to.
I’m also not arguing that streetfight/combative experience isn’t extremely beneficial.
But to suggest that physical conditioning isn’t important for actual combat is still a foolish statement IMO. That was all I was trying to say.
I also agree with you that improvised weapons can be very useful in the right hands. It doesn’t have to be an AK-47 or USMC fighting knife to be effective. But, in those scenarios, both people probably have equal access to those “environmental weapons”.
Never said he was discounting grappling, just pointing out that it can be effective for more than just restraint.
In multiple scenarios this is absolutely true. But, he’s also making the assumption that you go to the ground with someone like people would do in MMA fights. If you are talking about pulling guard, or taking someone down and being completely unaware of your surroundings I completely agree that you’re asking for trouble.
But, a good grappler will be able to throw you and flow directly into a break.
If you are lying on your back struggling to get the guy to tap from an arm bar, then you are likely going to get stomped. But, if you sweep the guy, keep the arm trapped, step over his head, fall back while holding the arm in place, pinching it between your knees and thrusting your hips upwards (all in one smooth motion) then proceed to roll back through his arm back onto your knees/feet you run very little risk that someone is going to be able to stomp your head.
Like I said, a really skilled grappler will hurt you quickly. It’s not going to be the long drawn out struggle that sometimes occurs during MMA fights.
We used to practice all of those things in real time every time we grappled (I say used to because I haven’t been training much lately). It’s possible to do many of those things against someone who doesn’t know what you are doing or expect them. But, it’s also quite possible to learn how to prevent someone from doing them to you as well. Which is also something we did all the time.
To be honest, I’ve rolled with some other people who weren’t used to doing those things and really didn’t enjoy it very much because I instinctively wanted to do so many things, but at the same time knew that they would probably take it personally and thus chose to play it “sporting”.
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It just really gets up my ass when people believe that MMA is the be all end all of self defense, because the two are completely different situations with completely different sets of societal rules dictating exactly what happens.
Maybe it just comes from hearing every cock at every bar say, “Don’t fuck wit me dude, I’m going UFC” or “I train MMA, I’ll fuck you up.” Let me save you the trouble- no, you wont.[/quote]
I’m not saying that MMA is the be all end all of self defense. It’s not. But that still doesn’t mean that the skill sets developed via MMA aren’t extremely beneficial in a self defense situation.
If you want to talk about the ideal, then you need to be as well rounded as possible (be able to strike, grapple, use weapons, use dirty tactics, etc…), be in fighting shape (strong, fast, good stamina, flexible, etc…), be mentally prepared (“killer instinct”, use of cerebral self defense tactics, etc…), have actual fight experience (or at least as close real as possible), and you’ve gotta do it for a looooong time.
I agree with just about everything you said. And I understand what you mean about not everyone having the stomach to do whatever it takes to win. Not denying that, nor was I trying to.
I’m also not arguing that streetfight/combative experience isn’t extremely beneficial.
But to suggest that physical conditioning isn’t important for actual combat is still a foolish statement IMO. That was all I was trying to say.
I also agree with you that improvised weapons can be very useful in the right hands. It doesn’t have to be an AK-47 or USMC fighting knife to be effective. But, in those scenarios, both people probably have equal access to those “environmental weapons”.
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Hey, I’m a lifter. I’m on this site. I understand what you’re saying, and I agree because I think being stronger will help you out.
But I think his point is that if it lasts longer than three moves, than you’re seriously doing something wrong. The longer the encounter lasts, the more chance there is of being hurt.
Where that endurance might help you in the ring, it’s going to kind of be neutralized because when people get tired physically, they get tired mentally too, which means they get increasingly desperate. Just thinking out loud.
Its not that I don’t agree, because I know grapplers are tough. But I’ve never been in fight that wasn’t a multiple person fight, and that makes me reluctant to go to the ground in any situation.
I tend to stay with striking arts because I’m avoid the ground like the plague in the street.
I hadn’t heard of that. But if they do teach you that, more power to them.
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It just really gets up my ass when people believe that MMA is the be all end all of self defense, because the two are completely different situations with completely different sets of societal rules dictating exactly what happens.
Maybe it just comes from hearing every cock at every bar say, “Don’t fuck wit me dude, I’m going UFC” or “I train MMA, I’ll fuck you up.” Let me save you the trouble- no, you wont.
I’m not saying that MMA is the be all end all of self defense. It’s not. But that still doesn’t mean that the skill sets developed via MMA aren’t extremely beneficial in a self defense situation.
If you want to talk about the ideal, then you need to be as well rounded as possible (be able to strike, grapple, use weapons, use dirty tactics, etc…), be in fighting shape (strong, fast, good stamina, flexible, etc…), be mentally prepared (“killer instinct”, use of cerebral self defense tactics, etc…), have actual fight experience (or at least as close real as possible), and you’ve gotta do it for a looooong time.
At least that’s my opinion.[/quote]
I hear you. I just don’t think that MMA is any more beneficial than any other type of art as far techniques because of the plethora of shit that goes wrong when you’re outside the octagon, and I don’t want to see guys just relying on that all the time, as seems to happen everytime a “new” McMartial art comes along (Tae kwon do, kickboxing, BJJ, etc.)
I think that if you put the average trained MMA guy, or any martial artist for that matter against a guy fighting for his life and that guy will maul the “trained fighter”. At our basic level we are all animals and have in ourselves a great capacity for violence caused by the sense of self preservation. I don’t think in such scenarios you are actually aware of what you are doing, it would be instinct taking over.
I think in the back of people’s minds, no matter how touch your opponent looks, a stand off between two guys, you’re not thinking about getting killed, you are just thinking about not losing. If you add in the factor of fighting for your life, the things you would do would probably disgust the average person watching from the outside, because you would have no inhibitions or morals. I think that is where “fighting” and “self defense” differ and I am pretty sure the latter cannot be taught in a classroom setting.
I’m wondering why the guy being interviewed didn’t start hanging out at nicer places. I’ve only had a gun pulled on me once, and that was the last time I went to that bar. Most shitholes usually have clientele to match.
All I know is I have fought more fights with the words out of my mouth then with my fists. For this I have been successful in my fighting career. I am not a stranger of fist a cuffs though, and strange stuff happens. So, unless you put the two men together, anything can happen.
Hey, I’m a lifter. I’m on this site. I understand what you’re saying, and I agree because I think being stronger will help you out.
But I think his point is that if it lasts longer than three moves, than you’re seriously doing something wrong. The longer the encounter lasts, the more chance there is of being hurt.
Where that endurance might help you in the ring, it’s going to kind of be neutralized because when people get tired physically, they get tired mentally too, which means they get increasingly desperate. Just thinking out loud.
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I agree once again that ideally the fight won’t even last 3 moves (ideally it won’t even get started), but once again, things don’t always follow the ideal pattern in reality. And if it lasts longer than three moves, then even though you likely screwed something up, you’ve still gotta deal with the situation.
As far as your statement about endurance, I’ve gotta say that I don’t really see how it could possibly be detrimental. Yes, when the body gets tired the mind slows down as well. But, the more physical endurance you’ve got the longer it will take until that happens to a noticeable degree. Also, physical endurance training is a great way to develop mental toughness.
Well, honestly I’m not advocating going to the ground against multiples either. In that scenario you want to stay as mobile as possible, and being on the ground automatically makes you less mobile.
But, grappling arts are also going to be the most effective method of training how to prevent going to the ground. And if you do wind up there, will also teach you how to get back up as quickly as possible (if that’s what you want to do) with the highest percentage of success.
Also, depending on the grappling art, many takedowns/throws will do serious damage if done on a hard surface (like concrete).
Not many people do teach it. I got lucky and found some who do (along with being world class grapplers and strikers). Like I said, people have been doing the “Reality Based” thing since long before 1989 and some have really developed the full spectrum of techniques/tactics and how to defend against them as well.
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I hear you. I just don’t think that MMA is any more beneficial than any other type of art as far techniques because of the plethora of shit that goes wrong when you’re outside the octagon, and I don’t want to see guys just relying on that all the time, as seems to happen everytime a “new” McMartial art comes along (Tae kwon do, kickboxing, BJJ, etc.)
But as per your list, then I can agree with that. [/quote]
I think that one of the benefits of MMA training is that you are trying your skills against a fully resistant, well conditioned, and skilled opponent.
Sure, there are other systems that do this as well, but when it comes to traditional systems, like Karate for example (let’s use Shotokan), it’s more of a hit or miss. You might be lucky enough to find a teacher who actually still teaches the combative aspects of the art, or you might wind up just practicing katas and pre arranged fighting drills.
But, when it comes to arts like boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, BJJ, wrestling and the other arts that are popular in MMA, you know that you are always going to get this.
Of course once again, the ideal is to combine this with other realistic components (multiples, weapons, dirty tactics, realistic terrain, weather, etc…). But, the ability to hang with a sport guy in the ring is probably going to go a long way towards allowing you to defend yourself in a fight on the street. Perfect? No. But a damn good start.
