This possibility ran through my mind, but I didn’t want to be outspoken about it. I feel bad for this person ( can’t say girl or guy here.) I am glad that I do not have to make a decision on this situation.
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Why the fuck do people care about this shit?
What’s next? Everyone pretending like they are the biggest MJ fans after he die…oh, nvm[/quote]
Note to self: Don’t feel bad for jCaesar88 when we find out his chick is a dude. Enter crying game
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
Why the fuck do people care about this shit?
What’s next? Everyone pretending like they are the biggest MJ fans after he die…oh, nvm
Note to self: Don’t feel bad for jCaesar88 when we find out his chick is a dude. Enter crying game[/quote]
I’d still hit it…
Well, not really, but still…nevermind.
I’d hit it.
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Comments like “I feel bad for this person (can’t say girl or guy here)” are baffling. Feel bad but not feeling bad enough to just say she’s female?
She does have option to compete if she has the condition fixed apparently.
She won fair and square with what nature gave her. If she’s an XX on the cell level, IMHO that’s ok, and she should be allowed racing again without the surgery.
[quote]Dwigs wrote:
The way this whole issue has been handled is dispicable! Hope most of these media bastards and useless officials get their asses suided for plently[/quote]
I haven’t read a lot about this story (just saw it on the news), but I’m not following how the media really took it too far on this story. I realize the coverage of a delicate issue like this is a lot especially for a young person, but this is a story that would have spread anyway and if media outlets don’t report it they risk falling behind on the big stories.
I suppose that officials involved in the information leaking may be at fault, but after that this is just a very unfortunate situation.
For the record I feel for this person, I can’t imagine being in this situation or knowing anyone in this situation.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
This is why they should not ban AAS but find better ways of testing. This was a race to find the smoking gun as to why this woman’s hormones were the way they were. In other words the hunt for the smoking needle. And the confirmation she was a cheat. So all the other cry baby countries can feel better about themselves.
I think that before all races blood tests are ran by a body governed by the sport itself. If your levels fall in a range you should not be in then you ass gets pulled before the race. This way she would have never made it to this level. And a PRIVATE investigation would have reveled the hormone in balance. You would find it common for people to be pulled last min for levels being slightly off the norm. And her issues with internal testes would be secret and she could have them removed. And then she could race again after passing blood testing.
No harm no foul.
While that would have been a better way to handle the situation, the girl still would have been pulled from the race without doing anything wrong. I agree with someone above, this is a lose/lose situation.
My point is she would have never made it to that level competition in the first place when the blood test showed something fucked up with her hormones. Alarms kinda go off when women have more vitamin T then the average level of your peers. Then she could have been returned to a normal state and continue running with out all the media hype about a cheat or sniffing for a roid scandal. Or looking for gene doping or what ever is the next BIG THING in sports cheating. Just so those sharks/reporters/media can cause or get some kinda of sensationalism and sell papers or get rating points.
Ah, I see what you’re saying. But what if she didn’t want to have the surgery to have her testes removed? Should she still be allowed to race?[/quote]
Sure but she would need to get her Vitamin T levels under control so she is average with her group. There by not taking advantage of any extra T levels.
Does this mean that if I retract my testicles during a test I will get to compete as a woman? I have long wished for an olympic medal in discus.
Coin toss?
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Does this mean that if I retract my testicles during a test I will get to compete as a woman? I have long wished for an olympic medal in discus.[/quote]
Your thread in SAMA kind of gave me the impression you had them removed anyway…
You guys who talk about T levels walk a dangerous path. If we have weight classes in fighting sports (greater weight gives you and edge), why there shouldn’t be hormone (or other natural factors) classes in physical sports like running or swimming?
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
This is why they should not ban AAS but find better ways of testing. This was a race to find the smoking gun as to why this woman’s hormones were the way they were. In other words the hunt for the smoking needle. And the confirmation she was a cheat. So all the other cry baby countries can feel better about themselves.
I think that before all races blood tests are ran by a body governed by the sport itself. If your levels fall in a range you should not be in then you ass gets pulled before the race. This way she would have never made it to this level. And a PRIVATE investigation would have reveled the hormone in balance. You would find it common for people to be pulled last min for levels being slightly off the norm. And her issues with internal testes would be secret and she could have them removed. And then she could race again after passing blood testing.
No harm no foul.
While that would have been a better way to handle the situation, the girl still would have been pulled from the race without doing anything wrong. I agree with someone above, this is a lose/lose situation.
My point is she would have never made it to that level competition in the first place when the blood test showed something fucked up with her hormones. Alarms kinda go off when women have more vitamin T then the average level of your peers. Then she could have been returned to a normal state and continue running with out all the media hype about a cheat or sniffing for a roid scandal. Or looking for gene doping or what ever is the next BIG THING in sports cheating. Just so those sharks/reporters/media can cause or get some kinda of sensationalism and sell papers or get rating points.
Ah, I see what you’re saying. But what if she didn’t want to have the surgery to have her testes removed? Should she still be allowed to race?
Sure but she would need to get her Vitamin T levels under control so she is average with her group. There by not taking advantage of any extra T levels.[/quote]
But what about women who naturally have their T levels on the upper end of the scale? Now they’ll have the advantage over her because the question is how low do you lower this girl’s T levels? Do you propose that they regulate EVERYONE’S T levels to a small range?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
Why the fuck do people care about this shit?
What’s next? Everyone pretending like they are the biggest MJ fans after he die…oh, nvm
Note to self: Don’t feel bad for jCaesar88 when we find out his chick is a dude. Enter crying game[/quote]
Only she’s a woman. GG
[quote]matko5 wrote:
You guys who talk about T levels walk a dangerous path. If we have weight classes in fighting sports (greater weight gives you and edge), why there shouldn’t be hormone (or other natural factors) classes in physical sports like running or swimming? [/quote]
Exactly, going down this path of regulating her NATURAL T levels will eventually lead to some crazy shit down the road.
If she gets this fixed will her T levels be average woman or lower?
If she can get it fixed and still run, can men get there testes cut off and race against females.
Some people seem a bit confused to some degree or unsure of what might be different about this athlete. A quick two or three paragraphs here will give you an idea of what it actually is:
Basically, she’s most likely XXY, but they needed to do more tests than simple swab and chromosomal analysis. As a source leaked out yesterday/today, they need to do many more tests now because people could previously refute some of the old tests by saying, “that’s only genes, not organs.” So, he was quoted as they have to do scans of the internal organs now as well.
Why not just desegregate the sports and let the women compete with the men?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
If she gets this fixed will her T levels be average woman or lower?
If she can get it fixed and still run, can men get there testes cut off and race against females.[/quote]
These are all important questions people should be asking.
[quote]Sliver wrote:
Why not just desegregate the sports and let the women compete with the men?[/quote]
All women, or just ones that want to? Not sure if you’ve ever noticed, but men usually are stronger and faster than woman by a large margin. It would not be fair.