So Many LIberals, So Few Elections

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[quote]DemiAjax wrote:

You know what’s cute? The Virginia Dynasty isn’t even usually applied to Washington. “Why?” Because he’s from a part of Virginia on the border of Maryland, closely allied himself with Federalist policies and had John Adams as his Vice-President.[/quote]

Well, the point was that the rocket scientist who authored the piece completely ignored the impact of Southerners on this nation’s founding. My point was that just because it is convenient to say so, that doesn’t mean it is true.

Second, what is your point? What difference does it make if Washington is sometimes not referred to as part of the Virginia Dynasty? Madison and Jefferson were part of the Dynasty - and they were very different men. Jefferson is considered the patron saint of the Left. My point was that men of the South most certainly impacted the birth of the nation, contrary to the ape that wrote the piece.

And? He was also a slaveowner. But I wasn’t claiming Jefferson was anything but a man of the South who had an impact on the nation’s founding.

But, like the dumbass author, life is easier for you to brainlessly buy into cheap stereotypes. All my aforementioned men from the South were very, very different characters - and all had a profound impact on the nation’s birth.

[quote]Guess what all of these “virginia dynasty” presidents have in common? They’re from the northern half of Virginia, which has typically voted consistently with Maryland.

“Voters in Northern Virginia favor Kerry over Bush in the new poll 53 percent to 41 percent, with 1 percent for others and 5 percent undecided. Coker said a little more than one-fourth of the state?s likely voters live in Northern Virginia, which is defined as Alexandria, Falls Church, Manassas and the counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William.”[/quote]

Ridiculous. As if the geography dictates politics in some mindess determinism.

Compare Madison and Jefferson - if they were alive to day and lived in your Northern Virginia corridor, which apparenty has not changed in attitude over 200 years - you think they would be in the same party?

[quote]It’s cute that the right wing nuts dismiss the rant’s points about how southern states are undermining the institution of marriage just fine without gays, and how you leech northern tax money, because its title didn’t say
“fuck the south except for the northern half of virginia.” [/quote]

Typical.

First: isn’t it interesting how Lefties - the self-appointed champions of the poor and downtrodden common man - can so easily chastise rural Southerners - who are the typification of the unwashed, ignorant, helpless common man - are ‘leeching’ off the northern tax money? Isn’t the entire platform of the Left that the poor, unwashed masses deserve the income redistribution of wealthier states into their backwaters, as a ‘human right’?

Oops - the house of cards falls apart when the left-wing id embarrassingly shows itself to the shame of the ‘progressive’ thinker. The Left actually despises the salt-of-the-earth common man and sneers down at him. Look no further than your elitist rant.

And as a corollary - why are elitists so often not very bright or articulate? You would think that if they are Enlightened elitists, they would dazzle. Instead we get some pretty dim bulbs actually complaining how dumb others are. Curious.

Second, the South isn’t ‘undermining’ marriage. Ask a question - why are people getting divorced? More lenient cultural attitudes? Growing fiscal problems inside a marriage that strains it too much? People may be failing the institution of marriage, but the institution itself is just fine - do people want to take advantage of it?

Third, as for your fictional partitioning of Northern Virginia to suit your ends - it’s lame. The original point, lost on you, was that Southerners, both left and right (in modern terms), contributed to the nation’s founding.

You so desperately want to slur the South, you are willing to go with some half-literate rant just so you can believe that South = bad and North = good. You cling to the same author’s desire to believe that no Southerner, no way, could ever do anything in the name of goodness or glory, because you get to feel all tingly inside from making yourself feel better. Grow up.

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I took it as a humorous rant. You aren’t from the south are you?

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DemiAjax,

Oh, and one more bit.

You desperately want to qualify Washington away from the South, claiming that he is untarnished by whatever you scourge you attach to the Virginia Dynasty. You even bolster that qualification by saying that Washington was closer to the Federalist party of the North.

Very true about the Federalist party. But let’s see where that takes you.

The Federalist party was the antithesis of Jeffersonian Republicans - so, in modern categorization, they were more the ‘conservative’ party. They railed against the French Revolution, which is the Left’s faorite and most desired political opera. They warned that a vote for Jefferson was a vote for French-style revolution.

So how about that? Your fantastic Northern Federalists - which you hold up to try and wash off the tarnish of Washington’s Southern-ness - were actually the conservatives. You historically equate the North - like the author - as the bastion of modern liberalism at the founding of the nation. But the Federalists were conservatives by and large, based primarily out of this mythical North you want to exist.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

I took it as a humorous rant. You aren’t from the south are you?[/quote]

Actually, I took it as the same, with the qualifier that I thought many people really did think that, but didn’t say it in polite company. All I did was point out that some of the most influential names of the early part of the nation were from the South, contrast to the ramblings of the author.

And, to note, I am very much from the South.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
We’re not fond of outsiders.

Actually, it’s funny, but I spent perhaps the most enjoyable two years of my life when I was living in New Jersey one year and the next year living near Boston (I drove down every other weekend).

I got to see the 4th of July fireworks in New York, I spent countless days on the beach soaking up the sun, and generally hung out with a great group of people partying my ass off.

Let’s see, I met a girl who lived in Fort Lee (who later moved to better quarters). On the beach I was either in Ocean County or Monmouth, different beach each of both summers – just hanging out with friends who had a part time share in the house.

I’ll probably never be simply adopted as I was then and make so many friends while my life was so carefree…

Oh shit, sorry man, that’s likely to attract people… my bad.[/quote]

Like I said, I’d have it no other way. I dig this state, and won’t move anywhere else.

And yea, shut the hell up Vroom. I can only cut off so many out of staters a day anyway, I don’t need you endorsing this state!

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
DemiAjax wrote:

You know what’s cute? The Virginia Dynasty isn’t even usually applied to Washington. “Why?” Because he’s from a part of Virginia on the border of Maryland, closely allied himself with Federalist policies and had John Adams as his Vice-President.

Well, the point was that the rocket scientist who authored the piece completely ignored the impact of Southerners on this nation’s founding. My point was that just because it is convenient to say so, that doesn’t mean it is true.

Second, what is your point? What difference does it make if Washington is sometimes not referred to as part of the Virginia Dynasty? Madison and Jefferson were part of the Dynasty - and they were very different men. Jefferson is considered the patron saint of the Left. My point was that men of the South most certainly impacted the birth of the nation, contrary to the ape that wrote the piece.

Jefferson, by the way, was a supporter of separation between church and state, liberalism, classical humanism and against class division. Basically, he had little in common with the current Southern Republicans.

And? He was also a slaveowner. But I wasn’t claiming Jefferson was anything but a man of the South who had an impact on the nation’s founding.

But, like the dumbass author, life is easier for you to brainlessly buy into cheap stereotypes. All my aforementioned men from the South were very, very different characters - and all had a profound impact on the nation’s birth.

Guess what all of these “virginia dynasty” presidents have in common? They’re from the northern half of Virginia, which has typically voted consistently with Maryland.

“Voters in Northern Virginia favor Kerry over Bush in the new poll 53 percent to 41 percent, with 1 percent for others and 5 percent undecided. Coker said a little more than one-fourth of the state?s likely voters live in Northern Virginia, which is defined as Alexandria, Falls Church, Manassas and the counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William.”

Ridiculous. As if the geography dictates politics in some mindess determinism.

Compare Madison and Jefferson - if they were alive to day and lived in your Northern Virginia corridor, which apparenty has not changed in attitude over 200 years - you think they would be in the same party?

It’s cute that the right wing nuts dismiss the rant’s points about how southern states are undermining the institution of marriage just fine without gays, and how you leech northern tax money, because its title didn’t say
“fuck the south except for the northern half of virginia.”

Typical.

First: isn’t it interesting how Lefties - the self-appointed champions of the poor and downtrodden common man - can so easily chastise rural Southerners - who are the typification of the unwashed, ignorant, helpless common man - are ‘leeching’ off the northern tax money? Isn’t the entire platform of the Left that the poor, unwashed masses deserve the income redistribution of wealthier states into their backwaters, as a ‘human right’?

Oops - the house of cards falls apart when the left-wing id embarrassingly shows itself to the shame of the ‘progressive’ thinker. The Left actually despises the salt-of-the-earth common man and sneers down at him. Look no further than your elitist rant.

And as a corollary - why are elitists so often not very bright or articulate? You would think that if they are Enlightened elitists, they would dazzle. Instead we get some pretty dim bulbs actually complaining how dumb others are. Curious.

Second, the South isn’t ‘undermining’ marriage. Ask a question - why are people getting divorced? More lenient cultural attitudes? Growing fiscal problems inside a marriage that strains it too much? People may be failing the institution of marriage, but the institution itself is just fine - do people want to take advantage of it?

Third, as for your fictional partitioning of Northern Virginia to suit your ends - it’s lame. The original point, lost on you, was that Southerners, both left and right (in modern terms), contributed to the nation’s founding.

You so desperately want to slur the South, you are willing to go with some half-literate rant just so you can believe that South = bad and North = good. You cling to the same author’s desire to believe that no Southerner, no way, could ever do anything in the name of goodness or glory, because you get to feel all tingly inside from making yourself feel better. Grow up.[/quote]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth; it’s charming.
Where did I chastise the rural south?
Where did I say the north was infallible?
Where did I even say I was left and not center?
Where did I say that all of the “virginia dynasty” had the exact same political beliefs?
What I was saying is that the men of the “virginia dynasty” were substantially removed from the culture of the “south” that exists today. Perhaps I was misguided in using the fact that Northern Virginia has leaned and does lean “left.” However, the men of the “virginia dynasty” were rural, but much of the south’s current deeply conservative identity is congruent with its role in the Civil War as the Confederacy. The identity of a “Northerner” has changed significantly less than that of a “Southerner” since the Civil War. Obviously the rant’s author didn’t address this, and no where did I claim that his scholarly credientials were notable.
Guess what? You’re right, geography doesn’t determine politics, but local socio-political realities influenced by geographical locations do, and it’s ridiculous to deny it.
By the way, as I understand it, the platform of the Left is that people should pay taxes according to income and then distribute those taxes to the poor nationwide, not that northerners pay for the southern and northern infrastructure while rich texas oil barons and CEOs get tax-cuts.
This left wing “id” of yours seems to be based on a serious reading of a comical rant, which uses statistics to dismiss or undermine certain claims made by far-right constituents. It’s called a “rant” for a reason - it isn’t meant to be in an encyclopedia, and it’s an OPINION piece.
Your response shows how invested southern-republicans are in portraying themselves as “salt-of-the-earth” men, as if their homely connection with the rural gives them some mythical status. How about the urban poor? I suppose the north’s tax money would be better used on the rural poor in the south than on both the rural and urban poor in the north? Why’s that?
I think you should stop putting words in people’s mouths. Frankly, I don’t even think that the subversion of the institution of marriage should be an issue, but it’s been the subject of such frequent right-wing rambles that it’s occasionally nice to turn it on the people who deny marriage to certain groups yet don’t uphold the “sanctity” of the instutition themselves.
Where did I say that no southerner could do anything altruistic? Where did I ever say “fuck the south?” When I say “you all” I’m referring to the southern ultra-conservatives such as the person who started this thread. The south used to be a place where moderates could flourish, not so much anymore.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
DemiAjax,

Oh, and one more bit.

You desperately want to qualify Washington away from the South, claiming that he is untarnished by whatever you scourge you attach to the Virginia Dynasty. You even bolster that qualification by saying that Washington was closer to the Federalist party of the North.

Very true about the Federalist party. But let’s see where that takes you.

The Federalist party was the antithesis of Jeffersonian Republicans - so, in modern categorization, they were more the ‘conservative’ party. They railed against the French Revolution, which is the Left’s faorite and most desired political opera. They warned that a vote for Jefferson was a vote for French-style revolution.

So how about that? Your fantastic Northern Federalists - which you hold up to try and wash off the tarnish of Washington’s Southern-ness - were actually the conservatives. You historically equate the North - like the author - as the bastion of modern liberalism at the founding of the nation. But the Federalists were conservatives by and large, based primarily out of this mythical North you want to exist.
[/quote]

I have no problem with Northern industrial conservatism; I have a problem with born-again, southern, socio-political conservatism that seems to be intent on bringing church and state together and that has no concept of fiscal responsibility (hello tax cuts.)
By the way, where does the author, OR where do I equate the north with the “bastion of modern liberalism”? Nowhere.
Thanks for trying.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Anyway, it’s telling that little irish approved of your post. Maybe you, little irish, and howard “The South is full of guy with trucks and confederate flags, ahhhhhhharrrggg” dean should wander on down to Tupelo, Mississippi and run your mouths.

Aw, you hurt Jerffy’s feelings! Look, he had to sink down to Internet tough guy tactics.

What an asswad.[/quote]

That’s OK. I’m sure he just came from a hard workout and deserves some rest…

Man i can’t even say that with a straight face.

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Fuck the South. They gave us LBJ, Carter and Clinton.

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little irish wrote:

"That’s OK. I’m sure he just came from a hard workout and deserves some rest…

Man i can’t even say that with a straight face."

You are correct!!! Yesterday, my lifting partner and I did a new variation: Speed deads followed by speed squats. Needed to develop a little more explosivie power from our lower back.

JeffR

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[quote]You are correct!!! Yesterday, my lifting partner and I did a new variation: Speed deads followed by speed squats. Needed to develop a little more explosivie power from our lower back.

JeffR [/quote]

How many times did you puke?

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[quote]doogie wrote:
http://www.almink.com/humor/njsucks.html

NEW JERSEY PEOPLE:

* Many New Jersey residents are rude and obnoxious. Take those middle fingers and stick them in your mouths--you'll know what crap tastes like!

* Your typical Jersey girl is shallow, trashy, loud, and has more issues than a magazine stand. Even the hookers are rude!

* Even though Jersey girls like to pretend they are fair maidens, they lead the nation in the percentage of women who are infected with HIV.

* Many Jersey guys are on unemployment, disability, rehab, electronic monitoring, or just plain incarcerated. (By the way, these stupid Jersey girls consider these guys to be great potential fathers for their children!)

* Compared to other states, a disproportionate number of New Jersey people are on public assistance. Why should my tax dollars be used to support all of these ne'er-do-wells? Not anymore!

  • New Jersey has the seventh highest number of illegal immigrants in the nation.

  • Most of the people who love New Jersey have never lived anywhere else. Even worse, many have never been anywhere outside of New Jersey! It is no surprise that New Jersey is shaped like a cocoon to symbolize such an insular mentality.

NEW JERSEY STANDARD OF LIVING:

* New Jersey has the highest auto insurance rates in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest cigarette tax in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second highest statewide housing costs in the nation: 73% above the national average!
* New Jersey has the third highest cost of doing business in the nation.
  • New Jersey has the fourth highest health insurance costs in the nation.
    * New Jersey has the fifth highest amount of tax-supported debt in the nation.
    * New Jersey’s overall cost of living is 32% above the national average. Why pay such a premium to live in New Jersey when you could live in a place that is both nice and has a reasonable cost of living?
* New Jersey collects income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, casino taxes, tourism taxes, and highway tolls, yet the state has massive budget problems. Where the hell is all of that money going? At least I know where it is coming from: your pockets!
* New Jersey ranks first in the nation in per-pupil spending, but its students' only achieve average reading and math scores.
  • New Jersey is the most densely populated and overcrowded state in the nation. Hope you like standing in long lines and sitting in traffic jams.
    • The Jersey shore (don’t say beaches) is vastly overrated. First, you have to fight your way through traffic jams and toll booths. Next, you have to pay for parking. Then you have to pay for beach tags to use a public beach! Finally, the ocean will be murky, freezing cold, or filled with jellyfish.
    • Atlantic City will always be a cut-rate resort compared to Las Vegas.

NEW JERSEY TRANSPORTATION:

* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd worst in the nation by Overdrive, a truckers' magazine. How damning of an indictment can you get?
* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd dumbest in the nation by the GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test--a test that measures basic knowledge about traffic laws and safety.

* If the New Jersey DMV will give drivers' licenses to terrorists, it is not surprising that they will also give licenses to people who are behind-the-wheel terrorists.
* You have to pay outrageous tolls to ride on many of New Jersey's highways, all of which were built at least 40 years ago. How many friggin times do these roads need to be paid for?

* Whenever it snows, don't expect the roads to be clear again until the snow melts.
* New Jersey is the only state that was stupid enough to lose $469 million dollars on a toll collection system! To pay for that mess, New Jersey now charges $1 a month for the "privilege" of using its E-ZPass. Send it back now and get a new E-ZPass with no monthly fee from DRBA.

  • New Jersey’s roads were not designed by qualified transportation engineers, but by retards. Consider the following:
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit, but not get back on.
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go north on a road, but not south on that same road (or vice versa).

       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go east on a road, but not west on that same road (or vice versa).
   o There are many places on New Jersey highways where lanes just end without any warning.

   o To make a left turn, you either have to use a jughandle or make a right at the next street and go around the whole damn block.
   o It is more important to have a useless grass median than a left turn lane.
   o When navigating a traffic circle, there seems to be only one rule: there are no rules!

NEW JERSEY LAWS/CRIME:

* New Jersey has the most dangerous city in America: Camden, NJ.
* New Jersey's answer to its high crime rates is stricter regulations, not stricter punishments.
* New Jersey cops need to concentrate less on speeding ticket quotas and more on the high crime rates.

  • New Jersey has now banned the use of handheld cell phones while driving. However, reckless driving without a cell phone will never be discouraged.
    * New Jersey has strict gun ownership laws. Not surprisingly, most of the guns are owned and used by criminals.

  • You are not allowed to pump your own gas because New Jersey’s government deems a gas pump to be too dangerous for its citizens to operate. However, it takes three times as long for a “trained” minimum-wage attendant to pump your gas than if you had pumped it yourself.

    • You are also considered a criminal if you set off a firecracker (even a sparkler!) or throw a soda can in the wrong trash bin.

  • You can’t buy beer in a convenience store, yet New Jersey does nothing about its residents who drive even worse than drunk drivers!

NEW JERSEY POLITICS:

* Every year, New Jersey's stupid voters keep electing the same crooked, tax-and-spend politicians to that big incestuous bed of state government corruption.
* New Jersey owns the distinction of having the first gay governor, Jim McGreasy. But unfortunately, New Jersey also owns the distinction of having the first corrupt gay governor. And need I remind everyone that the stupid New Jersey voters elected this sleazebag in a 15-point landslide?

* New Jersey residents receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than any other state. So not only are New Jersey's politicians crooked, but they are also ineffective.
* The New Jersey Supreme Court is the most activist state court in the nation (well, maybe after Massachusetts!) For example, the court allowed Frank Lautenberg to replace Robert Torricelli as a senate nominee in 2002, even though state law clearly says that a party can replace a statewide nominee on the ballot only if the person drops out at least 51 days before the election. (Now the next time I have jury duty, I guess I can totally ignore the law and rule however I wish.)

* Of course, New Jersey further embarrasses itself when its stupid voters play right along and elect that old fossil Lautenberg to replace bribetaking Senator Torricelli.

NEW JERSEY ENVIRONMENT:

* New Jersey has the most toxic waste sites in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second worst air quality in the nation.
* New Jersey is "The Garden State" all right--complete with mosquitoes, gnats, fleas, ticks, biting flies, and chiggers.
* New Jersey is a dreary state that sorely lacks natural beauty, that is, unless you have a thing for pine trees, garbage dumps, sound walls, or urban sprawl.

NEW JERSEY APOLOGISTS:

* When asked why they like New Jersey, many New Jersey apologists will answer, "I like the change of seasons." NEWS FLASH: Almost all of the states experience a change of seasons, you morons!
* New Jersey apologists like to boast of their close proximity to many cultural and recreational opportunities. NEWS FLASH: Location is hardly a benefit that is exclusive to New Jersey residents. There are many other places in this country with plenty of things to do. Leave the New Jersey cocoon periodically and see for yourself.

  • New Jersey apologists like to say, “Don’t knock New Jersey until you’ve lived here.” Well, I guess that would make it even easier!
    * New Jersey apologists like to say, “If you don’t like New Jersey, then leave.” Well, if such people like me are leaving New Jersey, then why are things getting worse?

  • New Jersey apologists like to boast that New Jersey is the home state of Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi. However, these two has-beens are so washed up that they couldn’t even rock the vote! [/quote]

You’re right: we suck. Please stay in Texas with the rest of the brain trust.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
doogie wrote:
http://www.almink.com/humor/njsucks.html

NEW JERSEY PEOPLE:

* Many New Jersey residents are rude and obnoxious. Take those middle fingers and stick them in your mouths--you'll know what crap tastes like!

* Your typical Jersey girl is shallow, trashy, loud, and has more issues than a magazine stand. Even the hookers are rude!

* Even though Jersey girls like to pretend they are fair maidens, they lead the nation in the percentage of women who are infected with HIV.

* Many Jersey guys are on unemployment, disability, rehab, electronic monitoring, or just plain incarcerated. (By the way, these stupid Jersey girls consider these guys to be great potential fathers for their children!)

* Compared to other states, a disproportionate number of New Jersey people are on public assistance. Why should my tax dollars be used to support all of these ne'er-do-wells? Not anymore!

  • New Jersey has the seventh highest number of illegal immigrants in the nation.

  • Most of the people who love New Jersey have never lived anywhere else. Even worse, many have never been anywhere outside of New Jersey! It is no surprise that New Jersey is shaped like a cocoon to symbolize such an insular mentality.

NEW JERSEY STANDARD OF LIVING:

* New Jersey has the highest auto insurance rates in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest cigarette tax in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second highest statewide housing costs in the nation: 73% above the national average!
* New Jersey has the third highest cost of doing business in the nation.
  • New Jersey has the fourth highest health insurance costs in the nation.
    * New Jersey has the fifth highest amount of tax-supported debt in the nation.
    * New Jersey’s overall cost of living is 32% above the national average. Why pay such a premium to live in New Jersey when you could live in a place that is both nice and has a reasonable cost of living?
* New Jersey collects income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, casino taxes, tourism taxes, and highway tolls, yet the state has massive budget problems. Where the hell is all of that money going? At least I know where it is coming from: your pockets!
* New Jersey ranks first in the nation in per-pupil spending, but its students' only achieve average reading and math scores.
  • New Jersey is the most densely populated and overcrowded state in the nation. Hope you like standing in long lines and sitting in traffic jams.
    • The Jersey shore (don’t say beaches) is vastly overrated. First, you have to fight your way through traffic jams and toll booths. Next, you have to pay for parking. Then you have to pay for beach tags to use a public beach! Finally, the ocean will be murky, freezing cold, or filled with jellyfish.
    • Atlantic City will always be a cut-rate resort compared to Las Vegas.

NEW JERSEY TRANSPORTATION:

* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd worst in the nation by Overdrive, a truckers' magazine. How damning of an indictment can you get?
* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd dumbest in the nation by the GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test--a test that measures basic knowledge about traffic laws and safety.

* If the New Jersey DMV will give drivers' licenses to terrorists, it is not surprising that they will also give licenses to people who are behind-the-wheel terrorists.
* You have to pay outrageous tolls to ride on many of New Jersey's highways, all of which were built at least 40 years ago. How many friggin times do these roads need to be paid for?

* Whenever it snows, don't expect the roads to be clear again until the snow melts.
* New Jersey is the only state that was stupid enough to lose $469 million dollars on a toll collection system! To pay for that mess, New Jersey now charges $1 a month for the "privilege" of using its E-ZPass. Send it back now and get a new E-ZPass with no monthly fee from DRBA.

  • New Jersey’s roads were not designed by qualified transportation engineers, but by retards. Consider the following:
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit, but not get back on.
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go north on a road, but not south on that same road (or vice versa).

       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go east on a road, but not west on that same road (or vice versa).
   o There are many places on New Jersey highways where lanes just end without any warning.

   o To make a left turn, you either have to use a jughandle or make a right at the next street and go around the whole damn block.
   o It is more important to have a useless grass median than a left turn lane.
   o When navigating a traffic circle, there seems to be only one rule: there are no rules!

NEW JERSEY LAWS/CRIME:

* New Jersey has the most dangerous city in America: Camden, NJ.
* New Jersey's answer to its high crime rates is stricter regulations, not stricter punishments.
* New Jersey cops need to concentrate less on speeding ticket quotas and more on the high crime rates.

  • New Jersey has now banned the use of handheld cell phones while driving. However, reckless driving without a cell phone will never be discouraged.
    * New Jersey has strict gun ownership laws. Not surprisingly, most of the guns are owned and used by criminals.

  • You are not allowed to pump your own gas because New Jersey’s government deems a gas pump to be too dangerous for its citizens to operate. However, it takes three times as long for a “trained” minimum-wage attendant to pump your gas than if you had pumped it yourself.

    • You are also considered a criminal if you set off a firecracker (even a sparkler!) or throw a soda can in the wrong trash bin.

  • You can’t buy beer in a convenience store, yet New Jersey does nothing about its residents who drive even worse than drunk drivers!

NEW JERSEY POLITICS:

* Every year, New Jersey's stupid voters keep electing the same crooked, tax-and-spend politicians to that big incestuous bed of state government corruption.
* New Jersey owns the distinction of having the first gay governor, Jim McGreasy. But unfortunately, New Jersey also owns the distinction of having the first corrupt gay governor. And need I remind everyone that the stupid New Jersey voters elected this sleazebag in a 15-point landslide?

* New Jersey residents receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than any other state. So not only are New Jersey's politicians crooked, but they are also ineffective.
* The New Jersey Supreme Court is the most activist state court in the nation (well, maybe after Massachusetts!) For example, the court allowed Frank Lautenberg to replace Robert Torricelli as a senate nominee in 2002, even though state law clearly says that a party can replace a statewide nominee on the ballot only if the person drops out at least 51 days before the election. (Now the next time I have jury duty, I guess I can totally ignore the law and rule however I wish.)

* Of course, New Jersey further embarrasses itself when its stupid voters play right along and elect that old fossil Lautenberg to replace bribetaking Senator Torricelli.

NEW JERSEY ENVIRONMENT:

* New Jersey has the most toxic waste sites in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second worst air quality in the nation.
* New Jersey is "The Garden State" all right--complete with mosquitoes, gnats, fleas, ticks, biting flies, and chiggers.
* New Jersey is a dreary state that sorely lacks natural beauty, that is, unless you have a thing for pine trees, garbage dumps, sound walls, or urban sprawl.

NEW JERSEY APOLOGISTS:

* When asked why they like New Jersey, many New Jersey apologists will answer, "I like the change of seasons." NEWS FLASH: Almost all of the states experience a change of seasons, you morons!
* New Jersey apologists like to boast of their close proximity to many cultural and recreational opportunities. NEWS FLASH: Location is hardly a benefit that is exclusive to New Jersey residents. There are many other places in this country with plenty of things to do. Leave the New Jersey cocoon periodically and see for yourself.

  • New Jersey apologists like to say, “Don’t knock New Jersey until you’ve lived here.” Well, I guess that would make it even easier!
    * New Jersey apologists like to say, “If you don’t like New Jersey, then leave.” Well, if such people like me are leaving New Jersey, then why are things getting worse?

  • New Jersey apologists like to boast that New Jersey is the home state of Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi. However, these two has-beens are so washed up that they couldn’t even rock the vote!

You’re right: we suck. Please stay in Texas with the rest of the brain trust.
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Exactly.

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Something to remember:

This is a nation founded by rich, white, aristocratic, slave owning traitors who didn’t want to pay their taxes. They figgured it was easier to betray thier sovreign leaders and protectors by allying themselves with their King’s enemy - the French. They had no concept of loyalty or gratitude for the countless years of support and protection the British had given them. So don’t prostheletize about how fucking great and wonderful these good 'ole boys were without first realizing their innate hypocisy.

(keep in mind, this is sortof a devil’s advocate post - I realize that the founding fathers made a great deal of philosophical contributions to humanity - and I’m very thankful for that - I’m also proud of the things our country has stood for in the past, but ashamed at the course it’s taken as of late.)

My point? The northeast sucks. The south sucks. Even California is in an attempted subersion by the conservatives - but if I have anything to say about it, and I do, since I vote, Arnold will have to go back to Hollywood where he belongs. He’s a great bodybuilder, but a shitty governor.

It’s time to take the power back.

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For how bullshit that Fuck the South article was, it did have some interesting points about the lowest/highest divorce rates in the country.

It was still funny, though.

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
Something to remember:

This is a nation founded by rich, white, aristocratic, slave owning traitors who didn’t want to pay their taxes. They figgured it was easier to betray thier sovreign leaders and protectors by allying themselves with their King’s enemy - the French. They had no concept of loyalty or gratitude for the countless years of support and protection the British had given them. So don’t prostheletize about how fucking great and wonderful these good 'ole boys were without first realizing their innate hypocisy.

(keep in mind, this is sortof a devil’s advocate post - I realize that the founding fathers made a great deal of philosophical contributions to humanity - and I’m very thankful for that - I’m also proud of the things our country has stood for in the past, but ashamed at the course it’s taken as of late.)

My point? The northeast sucks. The south sucks. Even California is in an attempted subersion by the conservatives - but if I have anything to say about it, and I do, since I vote, Arnold will have to go back to Hollywood where he belongs. He’s a great bodybuilder, but a shitty governor.

It’s time to take the power back.[/quote]

Yep…took us over 40 years to get it back.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Yep…took us over 40 years to get it back.

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I’m assuming that you’re a Con. …and you’re pleased as punch with the fact that you wingnuts now control my government.

…that being said, answer me this: “…and just what good have you morons done with it?”

We went from complete peace and the BIGGEST economic boom and budget surplus in HISTORY to the biggest budget DEFECIT in history, a SHITTY economy, and war on two fronts that has seriously weakened our country’s ability to respond to our own domestic crises - like Katrina.

and before you say “well bush gave me a tax kickback, and I got a check for like $600!” Let me ask you THIS: “was it worth that measly fucking check?”

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[quote]knewsom wrote:
hedo wrote:
Yep…took us over 40 years to get it back.

I’m assuming that you’re a Con. …and you’re pleased as punch with the fact that you wingnuts now control my government.

…that being said, answer me this: “…and just what good have you morons done with it?”

We went from complete peace and the BIGGEST economic boom and budget surplus in HISTORY to the biggest budget DEFECIT in history, a SHITTY economy, and war on two fronts that has seriously weakened our country’s ability to respond to our own domestic crises - like Katrina.

and before you say “well bush gave me a tax kickback, and I got a check for like $600!” Let me ask you THIS: “was it worth that measly fucking check?”[/quote]

Oh come on when you left wing moonbats were in charge what did you do…for 40 fucking years. Your tore the country apart and weakened the nation year after year. Conservatism was a revolt to the excesses of liberalism.

It’s not your government, it’s ours. You left wing hacks have lost the momentum. More people become conservative everyday. Less then 19% define themselves as liberal and that base is shrinking not growing. Do you really think voters want to be associated with people…like you.

I’ll note that the great anti-war protests in the US fizzled over the weekend. Fizzled as in 200 people in NYC, 250 in DC, 50 in Philadelphia. Hardly a grassroots movement. More like a media driven event.

Your post is straight from the DNC website.

By the way have you checked the economic stats lately…you should. Even moonbats can find a job these days.

Reagan shrunk govenemnt and defeated the Soviet Union. Not bad. All those Democracies in Europe were not due to the Carter Doctrine. By the way the Economy boomed.

Gulf WarI-you remember that one right.
Contract with America- smaller govt. less taxes. Even CLinton liked it.

The economy has expanded under GWB depite 9/11 and natural disasters. Despite them!

I was part of the Katrina relief efforts. To say the Federal government could not respond to the event betrays you as someone who gets their news from CNN only. I saw over 70 helicopters rescuing people and all were federal. Those gray ships in the river belonged to the US NAVY, not the state government. $150B despite fighting a war on terror is hardly the sign of a country that has been “too weakened” to respond.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
hedo wrote:

Oh come on when you left wing moonbats were in charge what did you do…for 40 fucking years. Your tore the country apart and weakened the nation year after year. Conservatism was a revolt to the excesses of liberalism.

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  1. Civil rights.

  2. Ended the war in Vietnam, and peace in general.

  3. Built strong international relations that are currently being destroyed by the Bush admin.

  4. There’s this thing called grammar - learn to use it.

  5. Theres more, I’ll get back to you on the rest.

Name a source - frankly, I think this is a load of hooey. If everyone was so goddamned conservative, why do more and more people every day oppose the war in Iraq? Why are Bush’s approval ratings the LOWEST IN HISTORY?

There are a LOT of people who have just given up on protesting the war, because it’s plenty damned clear that those in power have no respect for democracy or public opinion. There were HUGE protests in the build up to the war, and throughout the entire early stages.

Now I think the overall feeling is that the g’vt made such a huge fucking mess, we’re obligated to stick around and clean it the hell up.

Try comparing the current economy to where it was when Bush stepped into office - it’s nowhere near where it was, our trade defecit is worse than ever, the national debt is OUT OF CONTROL. How can you idiots support Bush!? He tood the incredible momentum our nation had and drove it STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND. Every time I see a “W” sticker on a car I just want to fucking barf.

oooh, Regan! Regan! Reagan! Dude, Reagan borrowed WAY too much money, BLOATED the budget with excessive military spending, and lowered taxes. We’re STILL paying for that shit. Small government my ass.

Of course I remember the first Gulf War. Bush I was smart enough to NOT INVADE. He didn’t overextend our military - smart decision. He didn’t do much for our economy, however, and spend way more money than we had.

I LOVE the idea of “smaller government” - the trouble is, you and all your idiot conny friends bought all the bullshit that the politicians crammed down your throats. Bigger military? YEAH, that IS bigger government! More laws that infringe on the rights of people because they’re gay? I’m sorry, but I’d classify that as bigger government - the g’vt should stay out of people’s way unless it’s to prevent harm and defend people’s basic human rights.

expanded - NOT exploded. I think you should add “despite BUSH” in there too.

good for you - I’m glad you could afford the time off work to help out - sadly, I couldn’t. …but read my post again - I NEVER said that we were too weakened to respond, or that we dind’t respond. I said that our ability to respond was weakened. The simple fact is, if we weren’t in a war that WE started for essentially NO REASON AT ALL, our response would’ve been faster and stronger, and as a result, fewer people would’ve died.

…so answer my original question, dingbat - you conveniently left the answer out while you were attacking me and citing total bullshit about how great the conservatives were in the 80’s.

so here’s the goddamned question again so your laxy conny ass don’t have to scroll up:

“AND JUST WHAT GOOD HAVE YOU MORONS DONE WITH THE POWER?”

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[quote]knewsom wrote:

  1. Civil rights.

  2. Ended the war in Vietnam, and peace in general.

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  1. After an 83-day filibuster by DEMOCRATS.

  2. Started by Democrats.