So Many LIberals, So Few Elections

[quote]hedo wrote:
Fighin,

48 to 51% what do those numbers tell you? Just curious what your thoughts are. Do you think 3% is a close election in this day and age?

Zell Miller has called the Democratic Party a 'national party no more". It’s impossible to win the presidential election withour carrying a few Southern states and the Democrats are dead in most of the South. Gore couldn’t even carry his home state of Tenn.

New York and NJ are hardly growing. They may add more population but many are not voters such as illegal immigrants. The South on the other hand is growing by leaps and bounds. This trend is not likely to reverse itself due to the demographics. East Coast Liberal elites may think nothing of paying $500K for a Single family house and $11K/yr. in property tax (NJ/NY) but the rest of the country thinks that’s insane.

The Red States call themsleves flyover states. It’s what the liberal elites do when they fly over them from NY to La. Looking down your nose at large portions of the country and referring to them as dumb is hardly the way forward. It will not win you the house or senate and the white house is a long shot until you can appeal to the South on at least some issues. When people move to the house they tend to fit in and not bring thier East Coast philosophy with them.

I am obviously not a liberal but liberalism has had it’s day and is hardly rising in public perception. Do you really think telling a large portion of the electorate they don’t matter because of where they live is inclusive and the way forward.[/quote]

I didn’t say that it was a way forward at all.

All I’m doing is calling a spade a spade. He made a ridiculous quote that made it seem somehow that the area that is red on a map means liberalism is dead- he was wrong.

Do I believe that is inclusive and forward? Maybe not. But I think the South and Midwest has a history of being neither inclusive nor forward looking, so I guess we’re at a stale mate.

I don’t want Democrats to start talking about religion to pacify some bumpkin in Iowa or Alabama. I don’t care if that bumpkin thinks that it is important- you aren’t paying the politicians to go to Church, you are paying them to uphold the seperation of Church and state. They aren’t your neighbors, they aren’t someone who you should want to hang out with, and its certainly not someone that should be judged on how loud they scream at a fucking rally. I think the whole thing, and the whole of the American people, can be sometimes smart and sometimes fucking retarded. We have leaned to the “fucking retarded” section the past couple years (my opinion).

I don’t want them backing off talking in real terms about social inequality because someone who is severely uneducated only hears, “Communist” when helping the poor is mentioned. There’s plenty of dumb fucks everywhere, so don’t think I’m talking about the South or Midwest. I know plenty right here.

But I don’t think Democrats should change their stances to appease certain areas of the country that have proved that they are not forward looking themselves (social issues especially). The Democrats need to get back to where they should be, and grow a spine. Appeasing people like SteveO is not something they should ever aim to do.

That 3% is a close election- I don’t see how it can’t be considered one. NJ isn’t losing people- immigration is high here, and you know how many people are moving to this state constantly (The goddamn development is out of control). So I’m not worried about North Dakota catching up. They’ve got about 7,500,000 people to go yet.

And I just figure the farther the neocons pull that pendulum towards themselves, the farther it will swing when it slips from their grasp.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hedo wrote:
Fighin,

48 to 51% what do those numbers tell you? Just curious what your thoughts are. Do you think 3% is a close election in this day and age?

Zell Miller has called the Democratic Party a 'national party no more". It’s impossible to win the presidential election withour carrying a few Southern states and the Democrats are dead in most of the South. Gore couldn’t even carry his home state of Tenn.

New York and NJ are hardly growing. They may add more population but many are not voters such as illegal immigrants. The South on the other hand is growing by leaps and bounds. This trend is not likely to reverse itself due to the demographics. East Coast Liberal elites may think nothing of paying $500K for a Single family house and $11K/yr. in property tax (NJ/NY) but the rest of the country thinks that’s insane.

The Red States call themsleves flyover states. It’s what the liberal elites do when they fly over them from NY to La. Looking down your nose at large portions of the country and referring to them as dumb is hardly the way forward. It will not win you the house or senate and the white house is a long shot until you can appeal to the South on at least some issues. When people move to the house they tend to fit in and not bring thier East Coast philosophy with them.

I am obviously not a liberal but liberalism has had it’s day and is hardly rising in public perception. Do you really think telling a large portion of the electorate they don’t matter because of where they live is inclusive and the way forward.

I didn’t say that it was a way forward at all.

All I’m doing is calling a spade a spade. He made a ridiculous quote that made it seem somehow that the area that is red on a map means liberalism is dead- he was wrong.

Do I believe that is inclusive and forward? Maybe not. But I think the South and Midwest has a history of being neither inclusive nor forward looking, so I guess we’re at a stale mate.

I don’t want Democrats to start talking about religion to pacify some bumpkin in Iowa or Alabama. I don’t care if that bumpkin thinks that it is important- you aren’t paying the politicians to go to Church, you are paying them to uphold the seperation of Church and state. They aren’t your neighbors, they aren’t someone who you should want to hang out with, and its certainly not someone that should be judged on how loud they scream at a fucking rally. I think the whole thing, and the whole of the American people, can be sometimes smart and sometimes fucking retarded. We have leaned to the “fucking retarded” section the past couple years (my opinion).

I don’t want them backing off talking in real terms about social inequality because someone who is severely uneducated only hears, “Communist” when helping the poor is mentioned. There’s plenty of dumb fucks everywhere, so don’t think I’m talking about the South or Midwest. I know plenty right here.

But I don’t think Democrats should change their stances to appease certain areas of the country that have proved that they are not forward looking themselves (social issues especially). The Democrats need to get back to where they should be, and grow a spine. Appeasing people like SteveO is not something they should ever aim to do.

That 3% is a close election- I don’t see how it can’t be considered one. NJ isn’t losing people- immigration is high here, and you know how many people are moving to this state constantly (The goddamn development is out of control). So I’m not worried about North Dakota catching up. They’ve got about 7,500,000 people to go yet.

And I just figure the farther the neocons pull that pendulum towards themselves, the farther it will swing when it slips from their grasp. [/quote]

I hope the Dems stick to their guns also. For different reasons of course.

Take a look at the population trends. The NE is not growing. The South is. Your perception may tell you one thing but those immigrants, even if they could vote are not liberals by and large. They want a low tax structure, freedom of opportunity and they are religous…not exactly the liberal base.

[quote]vroom wrote:
The day New York and California control the country, they’ll have half the people and a damned large chunk of the economy.

Anyone dumb enough to secede into the rest of the podunk nowhere will probably be told not to let the door hit them on the way out.

By the way, don’t come knocking on Canada’s door either. We like 'em educated![/quote]

I have read that the eastern cities are dragging down the overall US average.

Upstate NY is among the best public schools in the country and NYC is among the worst.

Upstate NY voted Bush, NYC voted Kerry.

[quote]I have read that the eastern cities are dragging down the overall US average.

Upstate NY is among the best public schools in the country and NYC is among the worst.

Upstate NY voted Bush, NYC voted Kerry.[/quote]

Zap,

I think the fact that analysis is being done in this regard, and that we are here fighting about it, is extremely sad.

I was trying to be annoying/funny with my comment…

I should have known that partisan politics had indeed already climbed beyond such levels, rendering my attempt futile.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I have read that the eastern cities are dragging down the overall US average.

Upstate NY is among the best public schools in the country and NYC is among the worst.

Upstate NY voted Bush, NYC voted Kerry.

Zap,

I think the fact that analysis is being done in this regard, and that we are here fighting about it, is extremely sad.

I was trying to be annoying/funny with my comment…

I should have known that partisan politics had indeed already climbed beyond such levels, rendering my attempt futile.[/quote]

I am a product of the fine upstate NY public educational system so I will always chime in when the thread remotely warrants it.

It is kind of funny, I thought our school was a joke at the time but when I compare what was required of us in NY to what is required in PA I realize that NY was much better.

Regarding the question of who is smarter, both parties have their share of idiots.

You should also know that the only acceptable jokes in the political forum have to refer to Chuck Norris or a shoe. Everything else will be taken seriously.

I hated Chuck Norris when I grew up, since he couldn’t act worth a crap… I don’t understand the fascination today.

The shoe, now that is funny!

The Republicans definitely control all the branches of the federal government, as stated in the original post.

If you think the state of the nation is improving, then give the GOP the lion’s share of the credit.

If you think the state of the nation is declining, then give the GOP the lion’s share of the blame.

You’d think that the right wing would be deliriously happy right now, because their party virtually controls the federal government. Instead I see a lot of angry, bitter and disappointed people on the right. A perfect (symbolic) example is Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter, who are both using an enraged demeanor to get viewers.

Have you ever heard Ann Coulter sound happy about anything? For less extreme (and again, symbolic) examples, look at William Kristol, David Brooks or William F Buckley, who knock Bush for being incompetent. I wouldn’t say that they are happy with the national state of affairs, even though their party has been running the whole show since 2001.

The congressional elections in November and the presidential election in 2008 will be a referendum on Bush, and by extension a referendum on the GOP and their ability to lead the country.

I feel like this will sum up the feelings of many arguing in this thread:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

[quote]DemiAjax wrote:
I feel like this will sum up the feelings of many arguing in this thread:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

[/quote]

hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha.

Couldn’t have said it better.

hahahhahahahahhhaahahha

The silence on SteveO’s part is deafening.

Where’s your rebuttal champ?

[quote]DemiAjax wrote:
I feel like this will sum up the feelings of many arguing in this thread:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

[/quote]

I think you are right, and sadly.

This piece is unintentionally hilarious.

First of all, notice how the author completely skips the influence of Virginia in the birth of the nation. And he failed to mention the early Presidents that were Southerners: Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Jackson. They didn’t call it the Virginia Dynasty for nothing (excluding Jackson, of course).

And more besides, any liberal who actually believes any of this drivel would have to fire themselves for breaking their one and only political commandment: tolerance.

Unfortunately, I think this typifies what some liberals are thinking but don’t say out loud. It is both tragic and comic.

Favorite part: [quote]The next dickwad who says, “It?s your money, not the government’s money” is gonna get their ass kicked.[/quote]

Fantastic.

demiajax,

That was a great post!!!

Just kidding. That post sucked.

My favorite part: “Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about?”

First of all, I’m pleased that you and your pals are so angry.

Second, I’d laugh if your ignorance didn’t make me so sad.

One word: VIRGINIA.

Please read a book about the Founding Fathers. Any book will do. That includes a cursory glance at an encyclopedia.

Anyway, it’s telling that little irish approved of your post. Maybe you, little irish, and howard “The South is full of guy with trucks and confederate flags, ahhhhhhharrrggg” dean should wander on down to Tupelo, Mississippi and run your mouths.

It amuses me to think about you yapping, little, runts scurrying around. I’d be willing to bet you’d be completely silent.

JeffR

Aw, you hurt Jerffy’s feelings! Look, he had to sink down to Internet tough guy tactics.

What an asswad.

The Senate just voted to raise the debt ceiling to $8.97 trillion dollars.

52 Republicans voted YES to keep borrowing money from China, Japan and other foriegn nations, to avoid America defaulting on it’s debt for the first time in history.

EVERY Democrat in the Senate voted NO to raising the federal spending cap. Only 3 Republicans voted no along with the Democrats.

At this point, every single person in America owes roughly 30 thousand dollars in debt, because of the federal deficit that has grown by leaps and bounds under Bush (and the Republican dominated Congress)… a 40% expansion in the size of the federal government.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_debt_limit;_ylt=AuU_5qm5x0uJoSUOmZUz1Oms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

On the other hand, Donald Trump, Oprah Winfrey and Paris Hilton really appreciate their tax cuts.

The problem with Republicans is that they are great campaigners, but terrible when it comes to actually running the government.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
DemiAjax wrote:
I feel like this will sum up the feelings of many arguing in this thread:

http://www.fuckthesouth.com

I think you are right, and sadly.

This piece is unintentionally hilarious.

First of all, notice how the author completely skips the influence of Virginia in the birth of the nation. And he failed to mention the early Presidents that were Southerners: Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Jackson. They didn’t call it the Virginia Dynasty for nothing (excluding Jackson, of course).

And more besides, any liberal who actually believes any of this drivel would have to fire themselves for breaking their one and only political commandment: tolerance.

Unfortunately, I think this typifies what some liberals are thinking but don’t say out loud. It is both tragic and comic.

Favorite part: The next dickwad who says, “It?s your money, not the government’s money” is gonna get their ass kicked.

Fantastic. [/quote]

You know what’s cute? The Virginia Dynasty isn’t even usually applied to Washington. “Why?” Because he’s from a part of Virginia on the border of Maryland, closely allied himself with Federalist policies and had John Adams as his Vice-President.

Jefferson, by the way, was a supporter of separation between church and state, liberalism, classical humanism and against class division. Basically, he had little in common with the current Southern Republicans.

Guess what all of these “virginia dynasty” presidents have in common? They’re from the northern half of Virginia, which has typically voted consistently with Maryland.

“Voters in Northern Virginia favor Kerry over Bush in the new poll 53 percent to 41 percent, with 1 percent for others and 5 percent undecided. Coker said a little more than one-fourth of the state?s likely voters live in Northern Virginia, which is defined as Alexandria, Falls Church, Manassas and the counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun and Prince William.”

http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031778771802&path=!news

It’s cute that the right wing nuts dismiss the rant’s points about how southern states are undermining the institution of marriage just fine without gays, and how you leech northern tax money, because its title didn’t say
“fuck the south except for the northern half of virginia.”

http://www.almink.com/humor/njsucks.html

NEW JERSEY PEOPLE:

* Many New Jersey residents are rude and obnoxious. Take those middle fingers and stick them in your mouths--you'll know what crap tastes like!

* Your typical Jersey girl is shallow, trashy, loud, and has more issues than a magazine stand. Even the hookers are rude!

* Even though Jersey girls like to pretend they are fair maidens, they lead the nation in the percentage of women who are infected with HIV.

* Many Jersey guys are on unemployment, disability, rehab, electronic monitoring, or just plain incarcerated. (By the way, these stupid Jersey girls consider these guys to be great potential fathers for their children!)

* Compared to other states, a disproportionate number of New Jersey people are on public assistance. Why should my tax dollars be used to support all of these ne'er-do-wells? Not anymore!
  • New Jersey has the seventh highest number of illegal immigrants in the nation.

  • Most of the people who love New Jersey have never lived anywhere else. Even worse, many have never been anywhere outside of New Jersey! It is no surprise that New Jersey is shaped like a cocoon to symbolize such an insular mentality.

NEW JERSEY STANDARD OF LIVING:

* New Jersey has the highest auto insurance rates in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest cigarette tax in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second highest statewide housing costs in the nation: 73% above the national average!
* New Jersey has the third highest cost of doing business in the nation.
  • New Jersey has the fourth highest health insurance costs in the nation.
    * New Jersey has the fifth highest amount of tax-supported debt in the nation.
    * New Jersey’s overall cost of living is 32% above the national average. Why pay such a premium to live in New Jersey when you could live in a place that is both nice and has a reasonable cost of living?
* New Jersey collects income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, casino taxes, tourism taxes, and highway tolls, yet the state has massive budget problems. Where the hell is all of that money going? At least I know where it is coming from: your pockets!
* New Jersey ranks first in the nation in per-pupil spending, but its students' only achieve average reading and math scores.
  • New Jersey is the most densely populated and overcrowded state in the nation. Hope you like standing in long lines and sitting in traffic jams.
    • The Jersey shore (don’t say beaches) is vastly overrated. First, you have to fight your way through traffic jams and toll booths. Next, you have to pay for parking. Then you have to pay for beach tags to use a public beach! Finally, the ocean will be murky, freezing cold, or filled with jellyfish.
    • Atlantic City will always be a cut-rate resort compared to Las Vegas.

NEW JERSEY TRANSPORTATION:

* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd worst in the nation by Overdrive, a truckers' magazine. How damning of an indictment can you get?
* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd dumbest in the nation by the GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test--a test that measures basic knowledge about traffic laws and safety.

* If the New Jersey DMV will give drivers' licenses to terrorists, it is not surprising that they will also give licenses to people who are behind-the-wheel terrorists.
* You have to pay outrageous tolls to ride on many of New Jersey's highways, all of which were built at least 40 years ago. How many friggin times do these roads need to be paid for?

* Whenever it snows, don't expect the roads to be clear again until the snow melts.
* New Jersey is the only state that was stupid enough to lose $469 million dollars on a toll collection system! To pay for that mess, New Jersey now charges $1 a month for the "privilege" of using its E-ZPass. Send it back now and get a new E-ZPass with no monthly fee from DRBA.
  • New Jersey’s roads were not designed by qualified transportation engineers, but by retards. Consider the following:
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit, but not get back on.
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go north on a road, but not south on that same road (or vice versa).

       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go east on a road, but not west on that same road (or vice versa).
       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where lanes just end without any warning.
    
       o To make a left turn, you either have to use a jughandle or make a right at the next street and go around the whole damn block.
       o It is more important to have a useless grass median than a left turn lane.
       o When navigating a traffic circle, there seems to be only one rule: there are no rules! 
    

NEW JERSEY LAWS/CRIME:

* New Jersey has the most dangerous city in America: Camden, NJ.
* New Jersey's answer to its high crime rates is stricter regulations, not stricter punishments.
* New Jersey cops need to concentrate less on speeding ticket quotas and more on the high crime rates.
  • New Jersey has now banned the use of handheld cell phones while driving. However, reckless driving without a cell phone will never be discouraged.
    * New Jersey has strict gun ownership laws. Not surprisingly, most of the guns are owned and used by criminals.

  • You are not allowed to pump your own gas because New Jersey’s government deems a gas pump to be too dangerous for its citizens to operate. However, it takes three times as long for a “trained” minimum-wage attendant to pump your gas than if you had pumped it yourself.

    • You are also considered a criminal if you set off a firecracker (even a sparkler!) or throw a soda can in the wrong trash bin.
  • You can’t buy beer in a convenience store, yet New Jersey does nothing about its residents who drive even worse than drunk drivers!

NEW JERSEY POLITICS:

* Every year, New Jersey's stupid voters keep electing the same crooked, tax-and-spend politicians to that big incestuous bed of state government corruption.
* New Jersey owns the distinction of having the first gay governor, Jim McGreasy. But unfortunately, New Jersey also owns the distinction of having the first corrupt gay governor. And need I remind everyone that the stupid New Jersey voters elected this sleazebag in a 15-point landslide?

* New Jersey residents receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than any other state. So not only are New Jersey's politicians crooked, but they are also ineffective.
* The New Jersey Supreme Court is the most activist state court in the nation (well, maybe after Massachusetts!) For example, the court allowed Frank Lautenberg to replace Robert Torricelli as a senate nominee in 2002, even though state law clearly says that a party can replace a statewide nominee on the ballot only if the person drops out at least 51 days before the election. (Now the next time I have jury duty, I guess I can totally ignore the law and rule however I wish.)

* Of course, New Jersey further embarrasses itself when its stupid voters play right along and elect that old fossil Lautenberg to replace bribetaking Senator Torricelli. 

NEW JERSEY ENVIRONMENT:

* New Jersey has the most toxic waste sites in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second worst air quality in the nation.
* New Jersey is "The Garden State" all right--complete with mosquitoes, gnats, fleas, ticks, biting flies, and chiggers.
* New Jersey is a dreary state that sorely lacks natural beauty, that is, unless you have a thing for pine trees, garbage dumps, sound walls, or urban sprawl. 

NEW JERSEY APOLOGISTS:

* When asked why they like New Jersey, many New Jersey apologists will answer, "I like the change of seasons." NEWS FLASH: Almost all of the states experience a change of seasons, you morons!
* New Jersey apologists like to boast of their close proximity to many cultural and recreational opportunities. NEWS FLASH: Location is hardly a benefit that is exclusive to New Jersey residents. There are many other places in this country with plenty of things to do. Leave the New Jersey cocoon periodically and see for yourself.
  • New Jersey apologists like to say, “Don’t knock New Jersey until you’ve lived here.” Well, I guess that would make it even easier!
    * New Jersey apologists like to say, “If you don’t like New Jersey, then leave.” Well, if such people like me are leaving New Jersey, then why are things getting worse?

  • New Jersey apologists like to boast that New Jersey is the home state of Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi. However, these two has-beens are so washed up that they couldn’t even rock the vote!

I need to make a correction to my earlier post… Currently, every man woman and child in America is in debt for $27,724.87 towards the budget deficit.

The 30,000 dollar amount I mentioned is what is projected for 2007.

http://www.house.gov/cardoza/BlueDogs/bluedogs.shtml

Thank you. (edited to correct HTML)

[quote]doogie wrote:
http://www.almink.com/humor/njsucks.html

NEW JERSEY PEOPLE:

* Many New Jersey residents are rude and obnoxious. Take those middle fingers and stick them in your mouths--you'll know what crap tastes like!

* Your typical Jersey girl is shallow, trashy, loud, and has more issues than a magazine stand. Even the hookers are rude!

* Even though Jersey girls like to pretend they are fair maidens, they lead the nation in the percentage of women who are infected with HIV.

* Many Jersey guys are on unemployment, disability, rehab, electronic monitoring, or just plain incarcerated. (By the way, these stupid Jersey girls consider these guys to be great potential fathers for their children!)

* Compared to other states, a disproportionate number of New Jersey people are on public assistance. Why should my tax dollars be used to support all of these ne'er-do-wells? Not anymore!
  • New Jersey has the seventh highest number of illegal immigrants in the nation.

  • Most of the people who love New Jersey have never lived anywhere else. Even worse, many have never been anywhere outside of New Jersey! It is no surprise that New Jersey is shaped like a cocoon to symbolize such an insular mentality.

NEW JERSEY STANDARD OF LIVING:

* New Jersey has the highest auto insurance rates in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest property taxes in the nation.
* New Jersey has the highest cigarette tax in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second highest statewide housing costs in the nation: 73% above the national average!
* New Jersey has the third highest cost of doing business in the nation.
  • New Jersey has the fourth highest health insurance costs in the nation.
    * New Jersey has the fifth highest amount of tax-supported debt in the nation.
    * New Jersey’s overall cost of living is 32% above the national average. Why pay such a premium to live in New Jersey when you could live in a place that is both nice and has a reasonable cost of living?
* New Jersey collects income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, sin taxes, casino taxes, tourism taxes, and highway tolls, yet the state has massive budget problems. Where the hell is all of that money going? At least I know where it is coming from: your pockets!
* New Jersey ranks first in the nation in per-pupil spending, but its students' only achieve average reading and math scores.
  • New Jersey is the most densely populated and overcrowded state in the nation. Hope you like standing in long lines and sitting in traffic jams.
    • The Jersey shore (don’t say beaches) is vastly overrated. First, you have to fight your way through traffic jams and toll booths. Next, you have to pay for parking. Then you have to pay for beach tags to use a public beach! Finally, the ocean will be murky, freezing cold, or filled with jellyfish.
    • Atlantic City will always be a cut-rate resort compared to Las Vegas.

NEW JERSEY TRANSPORTATION:

* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd worst in the nation by Overdrive, a truckers' magazine. How damning of an indictment can you get?
* New Jersey drivers were ranked the 3rd dumbest in the nation by the GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test--a test that measures basic knowledge about traffic laws and safety.

* If the New Jersey DMV will give drivers' licenses to terrorists, it is not surprising that they will also give licenses to people who are behind-the-wheel terrorists.
* You have to pay outrageous tolls to ride on many of New Jersey's highways, all of which were built at least 40 years ago. How many friggin times do these roads need to be paid for?

* Whenever it snows, don't expect the roads to be clear again until the snow melts.
* New Jersey is the only state that was stupid enough to lose $469 million dollars on a toll collection system! To pay for that mess, New Jersey now charges $1 a month for the "privilege" of using its E-ZPass. Send it back now and get a new E-ZPass with no monthly fee from DRBA.
  • New Jersey’s roads were not designed by qualified transportation engineers, but by retards. Consider the following:
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit, but not get back on.
    o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go north on a road, but not south on that same road (or vice versa).

       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where you can exit to go east on a road, but not west on that same road (or vice versa).
       o There are many places on New Jersey highways where lanes just end without any warning.
    
       o To make a left turn, you either have to use a jughandle or make a right at the next street and go around the whole damn block.
       o It is more important to have a useless grass median than a left turn lane.
       o When navigating a traffic circle, there seems to be only one rule: there are no rules! 
    

NEW JERSEY LAWS/CRIME:

* New Jersey has the most dangerous city in America: Camden, NJ.
* New Jersey's answer to its high crime rates is stricter regulations, not stricter punishments.
* New Jersey cops need to concentrate less on speeding ticket quotas and more on the high crime rates.
  • New Jersey has now banned the use of handheld cell phones while driving. However, reckless driving without a cell phone will never be discouraged.
    * New Jersey has strict gun ownership laws. Not surprisingly, most of the guns are owned and used by criminals.

  • You are not allowed to pump your own gas because New Jersey’s government deems a gas pump to be too dangerous for its citizens to operate. However, it takes three times as long for a “trained” minimum-wage attendant to pump your gas than if you had pumped it yourself.

    • You are also considered a criminal if you set off a firecracker (even a sparkler!) or throw a soda can in the wrong trash bin.
  • You can’t buy beer in a convenience store, yet New Jersey does nothing about its residents who drive even worse than drunk drivers!

NEW JERSEY POLITICS:

* Every year, New Jersey's stupid voters keep electing the same crooked, tax-and-spend politicians to that big incestuous bed of state government corruption.
* New Jersey owns the distinction of having the first gay governor, Jim McGreasy. But unfortunately, New Jersey also owns the distinction of having the first corrupt gay governor. And need I remind everyone that the stupid New Jersey voters elected this sleazebag in a 15-point landslide?

* New Jersey residents receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than any other state. So not only are New Jersey's politicians crooked, but they are also ineffective.
* The New Jersey Supreme Court is the most activist state court in the nation (well, maybe after Massachusetts!) For example, the court allowed Frank Lautenberg to replace Robert Torricelli as a senate nominee in 2002, even though state law clearly says that a party can replace a statewide nominee on the ballot only if the person drops out at least 51 days before the election. (Now the next time I have jury duty, I guess I can totally ignore the law and rule however I wish.)

* Of course, New Jersey further embarrasses itself when its stupid voters play right along and elect that old fossil Lautenberg to replace bribetaking Senator Torricelli. 

NEW JERSEY ENVIRONMENT:

* New Jersey has the most toxic waste sites in the nation.
* New Jersey has the second worst air quality in the nation.
* New Jersey is "The Garden State" all right--complete with mosquitoes, gnats, fleas, ticks, biting flies, and chiggers.
* New Jersey is a dreary state that sorely lacks natural beauty, that is, unless you have a thing for pine trees, garbage dumps, sound walls, or urban sprawl. 

NEW JERSEY APOLOGISTS:

* When asked why they like New Jersey, many New Jersey apologists will answer, "I like the change of seasons." NEWS FLASH: Almost all of the states experience a change of seasons, you morons!
* New Jersey apologists like to boast of their close proximity to many cultural and recreational opportunities. NEWS FLASH: Location is hardly a benefit that is exclusive to New Jersey residents. There are many other places in this country with plenty of things to do. Leave the New Jersey cocoon periodically and see for yourself.
  • New Jersey apologists like to say, “Don’t knock New Jersey until you’ve lived here.” Well, I guess that would make it even easier!
    * New Jersey apologists like to say, “If you don’t like New Jersey, then leave.” Well, if such people like me are leaving New Jersey, then why are things getting worse?

  • New Jersey apologists like to boast that New Jersey is the home state of Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi. However, these two has-beens are so washed up that they couldn’t even rock the vote! [/quote]

LOL.

Whatever man. You can keep Texas. I’m not going to list a bunch of biased facts to try and outwit a dumbass.

I’ll never say, “Don’t knock it till you lived here”. Fuck everybody. Don’t move here. The state doesn’t want you here. We’re not fond of outsiders.

Say what you will. I’d rather be dead than move down South. Although it is funny that all you have to do to piss’em off is go, “Hey, you guys know we won, right?”


Who supports the troops?

Shocker: Senate Republicans Screw Veterans Again
In case you missed it in the Senate yesterday, Daniel Akaka (D-HI) proposed a bill to increase Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in fiscal year 2007 and Republicans shot it down with extreme prejudice.

The kiss of death for America’s Veterans was the fact that the additional funding was to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes, which ensured that the GOP-dominated Senate would take care of its corporate donors before worrying about those who truly serve our nation.

The 46-54 vote was entirely down party lines, with all Democrats voting for the Veterans medical care funding and every Republican but Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) voting against it.
[…]
Perhaps they’re at least honest about it and the yellow ribbons on the SUVs of Republican Senators should say “Support Your Corporate Donors.”
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/03/shocker-senate-republicans-screw.html

According to doogie we should have invaded New Jersey…

“Jersey girls aren’t trashy – trash gets picked up”

[quote]We’re not fond of outsiders.
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Actually, it’s funny, but I spent perhaps the most enjoyable two years of my life when I was living in New Jersey one year and the next year living near Boston (I drove down every other weekend).

I got to see the 4th of July fireworks in New York, I spent countless days on the beach soaking up the sun, and generally hung out with a great group of people partying my ass off.

Let’s see, I met a girl who lived in Fort Lee (who later moved to better quarters). On the beach I was either in Ocean County or Monmouth, different beach each of both summers – just hanging out with friends who had a part time share in the house.

I’ll probably never be simply adopted as I was then and make so many friends while my life was so carefree…

Oh shit, sorry man, that’s likely to attract people… my bad.