[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
The domesticated breeds of cats kill for fun on a daily basis. So do bottle-nosed dolphins. Lots of so-called intelligent species do, in fact, kill for fun. I’d say what puts us above them (and you better fucking believe I see myself above the rest of the animal kingdom) is the fact that we are having some bleeding heart debate about it on the internet. [/quote]
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Late to the party here.
I am an animal lover, but I am also aware of anthropomorphism. These animals are not human, and while humans fall in the animal family, we are not those animals.
Whales were not killed for sport, or enjoyment, but for food and oil. Exactly where is the science that says whales are smarter then humans? Sounds like BS propaganda to me.
All the hunters I know eat what they kill. I know it makes people sad that they killed a deer, but in the meantime they didn’t eat a cow, and one less cow went to slaughter. We do need to remember we are animals, and hunting is part of our nature, like it or not.
If animals are so “superior” to us, why are we not allowed to act like them? Then suddenly we are supposed to be superior to them and not kill them.
I will not say my species is superior to any other, but it is my species, and I will care for a human before I will care for an animal.
Oh and the lion vid was quite annoying. Not the part showing the animals, but that grating song by the crack whore. (Okay she had some good songs.) Dolly Parton’s version is better, and I am no fan of country music.
Many trainers and keepers of big cats know they need to remove them as they mature, because they become very dangerous, and often will try to kill the trainer just because they see the trainer as dominate, and want to move into that position. People have regularly been ripped to shreds because they forget this, or don’t know this.
Interesting fact, chimps engage in prostitution. (And war.)
Anyway after watching many episodes of The Dog Whisperer, I had a neighbor who had a dog that was completely out of control. I mentioned the show to her, and asked if I could try some of the methods on her dog. She agreed, and we were both almost in shock at how quickly they worked. In under 2 minutes I had control over her dog, and the dog was no longer barking at everything and anything.
She didn’t follow through and the dog was back to his normal crazy uncontrolled self in no time.
We can and should treat animals humanely. But we can still eat them. Being killed by a farmer, or shot by a hunter is more humane then being torn apart by the teeth of a big cat who will then clamp on to the neck, and wait for it’s catch to die. A good hunter looks for a clean kill, not a suffering animal.
Full disclosure, I do not eat veal.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
anyone who thinks that animals bond merely for food is sadly mistaken. I know you guys like to be all bad ass and tough. but watch this video, if your that hardcore and can’t feel any emotions, even then it will still effect you.
The lion reunion christian full - YouTube [/quote]
Call me cold-hearted, but I watched the vid and all I saw was a massive pussy.
^ All I see is a big white box, I thought pussy was a pink box?
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
The domesticated breeds of cats kill for fun on a daily basis. So do bottle-nosed dolphins. Lots of so-called intelligent species do, in fact, kill for fun. I’d say what puts us above them (and you better fucking believe I see myself above the rest of the animal kingdom) is the fact that we are having some bleeding heart debate about it on the internet. [/quote]
My grandmother’s cat used to bring dead animals to their bed all the time, like showing off a trophy she’d won. Squirrels, rabbits, birds, anything she could catch. She didn’t eat a single one.
Animals are not as innocent as people make them out to be.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Shit I hope I dont see that vid, cuz I like turtles…
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Rogue likes turtles too. Better than people in fact.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
plus, they don’t sport hunt(hunting for mere pleasure)[/quote]
Not true. Orcas do this all the time. So do chimps.
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scientists have said, though it may appear that killer whales play with seals before they kill them, its all apart of their process. they only eat to survive. they don’t kill them, then hang their heads somewhere, lol. but maybe they do have a little fun before eating. just like cats will play with a mouse before killing it. but thats not really out of sadistic behavior more out of instinct.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
they kill only to survive on a daily basis. they have to kill. we don’t. simple. if your living out in the jungle somewhere, they by all means, you have to kill to survive. but they only kill what they need. they don’t wipe out entire species. like we do. plus, they don’t sport hunt(hunting for mere pleasure)[/quote]
Wrong again. When the salmon are plentiful the bears will catch them, eat the good parts, and discard the rest. You also won’t find a bear grazing on berries when the salmon are running, even though a bear could probably ‘survive’ without eating fish.
And actually, if you were in the jungle, there would always be fresh fruit to eat, so you wouldn’t have to kill. But monkeys and apes will kill other monkeys and apes and eat them anyway.
Striped bass and hybrids, when on a feeding frenzy, will eat until gorged, regurgitate, and keep right on eating.
I have a video of a lioness picking apart a live tortoise who happened to wander into the wrong shady spot. Cringe-worthy to say the least.
I love it when ignorant people have such strong opinions. This is what happens when kids watch too much Didney and not enough Wild Kingdom. I bet you think trees can talk, too.[/quote]
dude, a 1000 lb brown bear or grizzly bear can not possibly survive on berries, lol. comeon now. they feed that way to prepare for hibenation. i never said, animals weren’t violent, but they only kill to survice. not for pleasure. they will also defned their territory to the death. trust me, ive forgotten more about animals than most people know. these lions you speak of, live day to day, they miss a few catches, and they could starve to death. their cubs could starve. so anything they can get the claws into they will kill, and that includes giant turtles, lol.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
they kill only to survive on a daily basis. they have to kill. we don’t. simple. if your living out in the jungle somewhere, they by all means, you have to kill to survive. but they only kill what they need. they don’t wipe out entire species. like we do. plus, they don’t sport hunt(hunting for mere pleasure)[/quote]
Wrong again. When the salmon are plentiful the bears will catch them, eat the good parts, and discard the rest. You also won’t find a bear grazing on berries when the salmon are running, even though a bear could probably ‘survive’ without eating fish.
And actually, if you were in the jungle, there would always be fresh fruit to eat, so you wouldn’t have to kill. But monkeys and apes will kill other monkeys and apes and eat them anyway.
Striped bass and hybrids, when on a feeding frenzy, will eat until gorged, regurgitate, and keep right on eating.
I have a video of a lioness picking apart a live tortoise who happened to wander into the wrong shady spot. Cringe-worthy to say the least.
I love it when ignorant people have such strong opinions. This is what happens when kids watch too much Didney and not enough Wild Kingdom. I bet you think trees can talk, too.
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Right out my front door I have wolves and mountain lions that kill for sport.
Just last summer my neighbor who supplies me with goat’s milk had five goats slaughtered by a lion right in their front yard. The cat never even took a nibble after it ripped the throats out of the goats. That’s right, it sauntered away after having its fun.
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wow, its like einstein debating the theory of relativity with 3rd graders, lol. guys, wolves, lions or any predatory animal will attack things and not eat them. there are numerous reasons, one huge one is defending their territory, feeling threatened. these animals rely on mostly insticnt, they do not thing like we do, “gee, i think ill have some fun and kill something,” thats not how animals behave.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
perfect examply of why i hate and despise human beings. [/quote]
entire chapters in psych books are dedicated to your various neuroses and maladjustments. [/quote]
yes, cause i beleive the killing of innocent animals is wrong. yes, im sick, i have issues, lol. i just happen to think that all life is equal. we are the only species of animals that kill for pleasure. only one. [/quote]
You do have issues, your sympathies toward animals aside, your issues show up in damn near every thread. They are open and obvious. But we digress…
You’re entitled to believe “all life is equal” - it’s actually quite a lofty ideal and admirable - IF YOU PRACTICE IT. Just let us all know when you give up meat and other animal products okay?
As for animals being innocent, you’re uninformed. Where do you get this bad information? From a Snoopy cartoon? One of my dogs killed a raccoon the other day for the fuck of it. Walked around with it like “look what I did”. Didn’t eat it. Wasn’t threatening him. He killed it, BECAUSE HE COULD. Because it CAME WITHIN HIS SPACE. Many animals engage in this behavior.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
wow, its like einstein debating the theory of relativity with 3rd graders, lol.[/quote]
Except Einstein wasn’t completely full of shit. Other than that, it’s the exact same.
Yes, in fact, they do. The pack leader says “let’s go kill that” and they go kill it. Predators do not waste energy defending their territory against herbivores, but they will hunt and kill it for fun/practice. May be even as complicated of a behavior as training the pack newbies.
They don’t think in words, of course, but emotions don’t need words.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
no, there was a holocaust, but why no mention of the millions and millions of whales that were killed over the last many hundreds of years. and please, dont’ say “well, they aren’t humans.” they are living beings, humans are not better than them and don’t deserve any greater sympathy. why no memorial for all the tortured and slaughtered animals. [/quote]
Clearly we ARE better than them or we wouldn’t be able to kill them whenever we feel like it.
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perfect examply of why i hate and despise human beings. just cause you can kill something, that makes you better??? so, you can kill your son or daughter right??? does that make you better, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm???[/quote]
According to the laws of nature, well, yes. Whoever is at the top of the food chain is the best.
Predatory animals kill prey animals by the millions every day, and the only way to stop it is to kill them all. Get over it.[/quote]
they kill only to survive on a daily basis. they have to kill. we don’t. simple. if your living out in the jungle somewhere, they by all means, you have to kill to survive. but they only kill what they need. they don’t wipe out entire species. like we do. plus, they don’t sport hunt(hunting for mere pleasure)[/quote]
You’re wrong.
If you’re going to debate a topic, shouldn’t you be informed about the topic first? Your personal beliefs and fantasies do not carry the day here. You are uninformed about animal behavior, save for perhaps the “wiping out entire species” part.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
What BG said with regards to stress and how your dogs are is spot on.
I will never forget the last day I brought my dogs to a dog park, I have three medium small dogs (all range between 25 and 40lbs) This day I only had two, my Boston Terrier (tipping the scales at 40lbs of lean mean tennis ball chasing muscle) and my female Keeshond (at about 33lbs) this guy and his buddy had his pitbull running around the dog park, now I love pits and believe they get a bad rap, but when you have 2 fist pumping, wife beater wearing, bro curling guys with the pit I am very wary to say the least…
Man that dog must of saw my Keeshond as a Mark, as she is very demure that pit jumped my dog and had her by the snout and would not let go, all my dog did was squeal, cry and piss herself, I actually started kicking the pit to get it off, I guess my dog reacts to stress in a flight way…
Well not my boston, his fat ass jetted to scene and latched on to one of the pits jowls and started shaking and twisting and he would not let go, it was a fucking blood bath, finally we got all the dogs untangled, my Keeshond ran behind me wailing and bleeding and my boston still wanted more…I actually had to slap my dog out of his rage. Talk about 2 different reactions to stressfull situations. Seriously my Keeshond was and is never the same, and my boston is still as he always was, confident and stable.
Luckily though the owner(s) looked like a doucher, he apologized profusley and we both went to the vet, he paid.
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I own pitbulls and intend to do so until the day I die…literally. And the douchebags you described are endangering my ability to do so without being an outlaw one day. I fucking hate these motherfuckers. YOU DO NOT ALLOW PITBULL BREEDS TO BE UNLEASHED IN PUBLIC!!!
Anyway, your Boston Terrier has that terrier blood, and they are in general very tenacious, so he was following his blood. Your other dog was following its blood and believe it or not, most dogs would be yelping and pissing themselves, no matter how tough they “look”.
If it ever happens again, keep your cool and use a leash to choke the air supply from the offending dog - you can’t kick or beat a pitbull off a target generally. Breaking sticks are preferred, but only a hunter or informed pitbull owner would be walking around with one of those. I actually know hunters that prefer to break their dogs from boar by cutting the air supply…it works and apparently causes no damages.
And I don’t think you should have corrected your terrier at all…you should have pat him on his head and gave him a bone 
He’s just following his instinct and we can’t get too mad at him for that
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I bet you think trees can talk, too.[/quote]
And that about sums up the origins of his opinions. LMFAO
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
dude, a 1000 lb brown bear or grizzly bear can not possibly survive on berries, lol. comeon now. they feed that way to prepare for hibenation.[/quote]
Stop skimming and read. I didn’t say they could survive on berries, I said they could survive without eating fish.
But you are completely wrong. I have nature videos that clearly show orca’s killing and playing with seals, then leaving them floating.
Naw, really?
Sounds to me like you’ve forgotten more than you ever knew about them. Or you just forgot the parts that don’t support your argument.
So you’ve seen the video I mentioned? The one where the lioness doesn’t actually have any cubs? The one where they’re following the migrating wildebeest herd and food is plentiful?
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
ntrust me, ive forgotten more about anials than most people know. [/quote]
Well, you’re wrong. In addition to your psychological needs, I’d get that memory loss check out pronto…it could be serious.
Like most “debates” with RV, this thing has become absurd comedy.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
perfect examply of why i hate and despise human beings. [/quote]
entire chapters in psych books are dedicated to your various neuroses and maladjustments. [/quote]
yes, cause i beleive the killing of innocent animals is wrong. yes, im sick, i have issues, lol. i just happen to think that all life is equal. we are the only species of animals that kill for pleasure. only one. [/quote]
You do have issues, your sympathies toward animals aside, your issues show up in damn near every thread. They are open and obvious. But we digress…
You’re entitled to believe “all life is equal” - it’s actually quite a lofty ideal and admirable - IF YOU PRACTICE IT. Just let us all know when you give up meat and other animal products okay?
As for animals being innocent, you’re uninformed. Where do you get this bad information? From a Snoopy cartoon? One of my dogs killed a raccoon the other day for the fuck of it. Walked around with it like “look what I did”. Didn’t eat it. Wasn’t threatening him. He killed it, BECAUSE HE COULD. Because it CAME WITHIN HIS SPACE. Many animals engage in this behavior. [/quote]
“it came within its space” exactly. it intruded on your dog’s territory.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Breaking sticks are preferred, but only a hunter or informed pitbull owner would be walking around with one of those. I actually know hunters that prefer to break their dogs from boar by cutting the air supply…it works and apparently causes no damages.[/quote]
Yep. Damage is limited very quickly by straddling the dog’s hips, thereby immobilizing it. I’m not even really sure it’s the air you’re cutting off, though. Probably blood flow to the brain, like a triangle choke, making the dog relax involuntarily. Either way, it works like a charm.
He would have been entitled to a trip to PetsMart for a hero bone, if he was mine! Y’know, that humongous beef-basted brontosaur femur!
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
wow, its like einstein debating the theory of relativity with 3rd graders, lol. [/quote]
Somebody has an alternate account…
[quote]ultralars wrote:
Talking to you is like explaining einstein’s theory of general relativity to a five year old
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