Smoking Cigarettes

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[quote]leon36 wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

[quote]leon36 wrote:

[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
QUIT SMOKING, DAWG! [/quote]

Aint gonna happen mayne. I like smoking mayne. I’ve tried; NLP; Cold turkey; Hypnoses; CBT, Alan Carr; the gum.

None of it works, nada esseh.

I KNOW my gains will not be as good, based on a period in my twenties when I did not smoke for a few months. Anyhow, just asking if theoretically a smoker should do less frequency or volume etc.

Simple question, deserving of a simple, non trolly answer.

As for cardio, I can run on the fat burning Interval on the treadmill for 45 mins with zero hassle at level 7 out of ten. I’d go harder but it would FCUK my knees. I can swim front crawl, non stop lenghts for 40 mins, without breaks, including a full out sprint every 5 lengths. My cardio is freaking awesome and I attribute it to Army cadets age 13 - 16. They bacially trained us to think 'Mind over matter. If it hurts - tell yourself it doesn’t. If it still hurts, tell yourself it doesn’t matter, ignore it." Also I used to live around 8 miles mostly up hill from an ex GF so had to ride there daily on my ATB for my ‘ride’ for about a year ha ha.

I have a resting heaertbeat of below 60 and have been told by several docs that I have what they call ‘atheletes heartrate.’ If I were ill it would be termed brachardyia, but as I am not, it’s not. Many ask me if I used to be an actual athelete.

That aside, I know the cigs will probably get me in the end. Tough shit, we were all born to die mayne.

Back to the actual question - the ONLY advice I want to discuss is - should smokers (I go through around 10 - 15 a day) have

A. Less volume

B. Less frequency

C. Longer breaks between workouts.

D. Any other non trolly, constructive idea / information.

E. Just get on with it and F#$%ing lift and eat well.

FOR THE RECORD - If an ompnipotent being popped out of the sky and asked me if I wanted to press a button if I did so, would never have ever started smoking in the first place - would I press it?

HELLS YEAH.

But that aint the case mayne.[/quote]

Have you tried growing a pair? I heard that works pretty well.

CS[/quote]

I Like smoking. I’m a single guy who lives alone in a big apartment. All my mates smoke and my sister and old man smoke. How the eff I’m gonna quit?

Only time I’ve ever quit was when I had non smoking Gf’s.

Right now I’m on seroquela dn that shizzle makes you want to smoke more. Before that - one month ago - I was down to just 3 a day in the evening after work. Now it’s 10 or more a day.

Good old psych meds, cure you of one thing, lay another on ya![/quote]

Get a new non-smoking gf. Make sure she’s a dominatrix.

And I don’t see lots of people giving you advice on how to lift while smoking. T-Nation is not all about “Imma get hyoooge no matta da cost!”. Health is equally, if not more important. Do you know what T stands for here? Testosterone. You seem to have a lack of it if you’re whining like a teenage meth addict “Omgz i cant quitt!!!1!”.

As someone else said, grow a pair. Borrow one if you can’t.

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[quote]leon36 wrote:
I Like smoking. I’m a single guy who lives alone in a big apartment. All my mates smoke and my sister and old man smoke. How the eff I’m gonna quit?

Only time I’ve ever quit was when I had non smoking Gf’s.

Right now I’m on seroquela dn that shizzle makes you want to smoke more. Before that - one month ago - I was down to just 3 a day in the evening after work. Now it’s 10 or more a day.

Good old psych meds, cure you of one thing, lay another on ya![/quote]

you really need to stop being such a baby. what person can honestly call themselves a man when they need to go to a therapist to get something ridiculous like their smoking habits under control?

people that can’t stop smoking although they’d like to are just weak and don’t tell me you’re not trying to quit or were at some point. people that don’t even bother trying don’t try that much shit to aid them to do it.

on gains: unless you actually smoke so much that you feel your performance suffering it doesn’t make a difference whether you smoke or not for bodybuilding.

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EDIT: I am sorry for how harsh this post sounds, but I feel like you don’t get many people who will straight up call you out on this shit. Smoking is one of the hardest things to quit because it is so easy to do, but you really will find that the following is the most important factor in determining your success in anything. I do understand what it is like to overcome some obstacles.

As long as you keep making excuses, you will find yourself unable to quit. If you don’t want to then that is your prerogative, but trying to defend it or explain yourself to people on the internet is seriously some beta behavior. Do not blame the meds for your failure. And, for the record there is no med that will make you work hard or want something. You know why things like chantix work? Because 99% of people who use it fucking want to quit because they’ve had it with that shit running their lives. They’re fucking pissed that they feel like they have no other option than to fork over 5 bucks or more every day to the almighty tobacco gods.

For the love of god, don’t be another fucking stereotypical smoker who wants to pass the buck and act like some sort of martyr like they are so helpless. GET PISSED AND DO SOMETHING or let it dictate what you are going to do. Those are the only choices you have. I’m pretty sure I know which one you are going to do just by reading your posts.

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If you want added incentive then Google “Thromboangiitis obliterans.”

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[quote]leon36 wrote:

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

[quote]leon36 wrote:

[quote]Moe Doobie wrote:
QUIT SMOKING, DAWG! [/quote]

Aint gonna happen mayne. I like smoking mayne. I’ve tried; NLP; Cold turkey; Hypnoses; CBT, Alan Carr; the gum.

None of it works, nada esseh.

I KNOW my gains will not be as good, based on a period in my twenties when I did not smoke for a few months. Anyhow, just asking if theoretically a smoker should do less frequency or volume etc.

Simple question, deserving of a simple, non trolly answer.

As for cardio, I can run on the fat burning Interval on the treadmill for 45 mins with zero hassle at level 7 out of ten. I’d go harder but it would FCUK my knees. I can swim front crawl, non stop lenghts for 40 mins, without breaks, including a full out sprint every 5 lengths. My cardio is freaking awesome and I attribute it to Army cadets age 13 - 16. They bacially trained us to think 'Mind over matter. If it hurts - tell yourself it doesn’t. If it still hurts, tell yourself it doesn’t matter, ignore it." Also I used to live around 8 miles mostly up hill from an ex GF so had to ride there daily on my ATB for my ‘ride’ for about a year ha ha.

I have a resting heaertbeat of below 60 and have been told by several docs that I have what they call ‘atheletes heartrate.’ If I were ill it would be termed brachardyia, but as I am not, it’s not. Many ask me if I used to be an actual athelete.

That aside, I know the cigs will probably get me in the end. Tough shit, we were all born to die mayne.

Back to the actual question - the ONLY advice I want to discuss is - should smokers (I go through around 10 - 15 a day) have

A. Less volume

B. Less frequency

C. Longer breaks between workouts.

D. Any other non trolly, constructive idea / information.

E. Just get on with it and F#$%ing lift and eat well.

FOR THE RECORD - If an ompnipotent being popped out of the sky and asked me if I wanted to press a button if I did so, would never have ever started smoking in the first place - would I press it?

HELLS YEAH.

But that aint the case mayne.[/quote]

Have you tried growing a pair? I heard that works pretty well.

CS[/quote]

I Like smoking. I’m a single guy who lives alone in a big apartment. All my mates smoke and my sister and old man smoke. How the eff I’m gonna quit?

Only time I’ve ever quit was when I had non smoking Gf’s.

Right now I’m on seroquela dn that shizzle makes you want to smoke more. Before that - one month ago - I was down to just 3 a day in the evening after work. Now it’s 10 or more a day.

Good old psych meds, cure you of one thing, lay another on ya![/quote]

There are pysch meds that can help you quit/decrease the urge to smoke, talk to your doctor about it. As for the actual question do what everyone else does and gauge rest periods, frequency, and volume on your recovery and how you feel.

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[quote]leon36 wrote:

I like smoking mayne.

[/quote]

thats too funny .

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heres what I know about smoking…

I’ve saved in excess of $12,000 since I quit .

Quitting cigarettes is NOT the hardest thing I’ve ever done .

When a human body dies from emphysema it makes various gurgling , choking , and suffocation type sounds after the tubes are removed .

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your house must stink like fucking shit w/ all those smokers in it. fuck that.

look man, as said, i smoked a pack + per day for a decade…i smoked cause i loved it…eventually i realized despite enjoying a smoke, mind you a played semi-pro 9 ball @ the time, gambled a ton, drank a bit of whiskey…the point is i get it, stress to do what you like - makes you do what you like - SMOKE, i smoked a ton, everyday, i get it.

Still though, FUCKING QUIT.

It’s doable. all things are doable once you believe you can do them (most things), the point is you’ll quit when you decide to. it will fucking kill you, it will decrease your gains in the gym, you are not operating @ anywhere near 100% if smoking and training.

i buried my dad @ 19 - cancer, my mom @ 27 - cancer. you will eventually fucking die a horrible death from cancer (most likely) if you continue to smoke. now some folks smoke for decades and never get cancer, other folks never smoke and get riddled w/ cancer. it’s not straight forward.

maybe lifting isn’t for you though. perhaps being a coffee house hipster is more the speed you want, coffee and cigarettes and talk about what’s new in indie rock.

i remember catching a bj years ago from a smoker, i use to date/bang smokers we’d fuck and then smoke, have some wine and fuck more…mmmm fun

anyways, later that day i got a bj from another girl, non-smoker, she told me cock tasted like an ashtray…weird right. man…i could go for a smoke and a bj right now.

OP- you’re gonna die

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Have you ever tried the patch? It worked for me like 3 times… The last time actually took but I gained about 100 lbs, my strategy was a bit fucked up though as I just smoked weed every time I had the urge for a cig… It worked though! Was easy enough to lose the weight and quitting weed is WAY easier that quitting cigs. (not recommending that method though lol)

I know some people are affected to varying degrees by cigarettes. Looking for examples of other bodybuilders who smoke to rationalize continuing to smoke is flawed though. If you can’t quit, you can’t quit but there will always be the question of whether you could have been better without the stoges. I think you can definitely have a good physique as a smoker, I did, but you’re going to get a better return on investment if you can quit.

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But seriously, have you ever tried growing a pair? I heard it works pretty well.

CS

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I don’t know why people still smoke with all the knowledge we now have on it. Just cut your losses and quit.

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“Thromboangiitis obliterans.” I’m telling you. That will help you quit for sure.

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[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
But seriously, have you ever tried growing a pair? I heard it works pretty well.

CS[/quote]

Have you ever consistently smoked? Not saying that to provoke an argument, being serious.

I smoked for about 6 months, on average 1-3 smokes a day. So definitely not heavy smoking. I increased to around 4 smokes a day for the first months of my first deployment, and to be honest it didn’t seem to affect my lifting. It took me a couple tries of quitting cold turkey over the period of a month before I kicked the habit for good. Since I’ve been back in country (about 6.5 months), I’ve smoked twice, and it’s been a couple months since my last one. I don’t ever plan to smoke again. Those 2 smokes since I came back, I didn’t even enjoy them. As soon as I took that first drag, I felt like crap, and guilty. I finished them out of a sense of obligation. Screw smoking, no more for me.

I can only imagine how difficult it must be for people who have chain smoked for 10 years or any period of years really. It is possible though, you just gotta find the right approach for you is my belief.

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I was gonna let it go when OP said his peace on how hard it is for HIM to quit smoking. I smoked for eight years before I quit and it was HARD. I know folks who have smoked longer and would not bother trying to convince them to quit because I know its just too HARD.

But OP, you’re not saying that you can’t function without smoking. You’re saying shit like all my housemates smoke, and I can quit if I had a non-smoking GF. That’s all circumstance playa. So yeah, grow a pair. Ain’t no chick got that kinda power over you. If a chick can make you do it, trust, you can do it for yourself.

Try upping the cardio to real high intensity. Sometimes when I crave a smoke Ill just bust out a run and there it goes.

Also, switch up the diet. Many of the things u consume now probably trigger cravings so hopefully a change will dampen them.

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Why bust your ass in the gym, just to get mediocre or diminished returns for your work or time? You probably worked hard on your lifting technique too make sure you’re training economically, so why bring another negative variable into play?

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I was a big time smoker for years and quit cold turkey 3 yrs ago when my wife got pregnant. I’m not gonna get on your case about the cons of it, I’ll just answer your question.
Like you it didn’t negatively affect my cardio but it did affect my strength levels slightly.
It also made it easier to stay lean. After 20 yrs of smoking it didn’t affect any markers in my blood tests either. I enjoyed it and still have certain triggers that make me crave one (coffee, booze, after sex or a big meal etc.), but the cravings are minimal and keep decreasing as time goes on.

To answer your question NO you should not make special adjustments in your training due to smoking. Train balls to the wall like most guys on this site do.
If anything train harder and take antioxidents, cancer fighting herbs etc.,in an attempt to decrease the harmful effects if you’re still gonna do it. Just quit man lol.

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I enjoy one every now and again. Tobacco is highly addictive though, and it is not conducive to training. I notice what even 1-2 cigs does to me for training. If you are going to be training with intensity, you will regret smoking. To get bigger and stronger, you have to first get in better condition, we are talking high weight and high reps.

Actually, do just that. When I put in a hard workout it usually makes me say I will never smoke or drink again, and is precisely the reason I believe in moderation.

To get to the point of moderation, you have to first absolve yourself of that habit. My friends that smoke alot (a pack a day or so) are all weak and soft looking. Not saying there arent exceptions to the rule, but I bet you currently dont have alot to show

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[quote]leon36 wrote:
How many naturals out there with good physiques smoke?

Should natural lifters have extra rest days or less frequency / volume etc, assuming they are following a good prgramme and eating well and diet is good?

Cheers.[/quote]

That’s a clown question bro

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Wondering how long it will be before leon calls everyone a troll in this thread that doesn’t tell him what he wants to hear

What does smoking/or not smoking have to do with extra days off or less volume or am I having a comprehension failure?

To add personal experience - was a pack a day+ smoker for 20 years, quit 3 1/2 years ago. Never really noticed a difference in strength or weight training but endurance was brutal. Breathing fresh air is nice.

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I hate to tell you, but there’s no easy way out. I smoked pretty heavily for about ten years. After quitting and starting numerous times, I had my last cigarette five years ago this month. I still think about smoking on an almost daily basis; I get stressed, and I want to smoke; I smell a cigarette, and I want to smoke; I drink my coffee on a cold morning, and I want to smoke; I have a drink, and I want to smoke. You get the idea. I keep thinking it will get easier, but it doesn’t.

The fact is, whether it’s from smoking or some other cause, we’re all going to die someday. However, between now and then, I’d like to be healthy enough to enjoy my time on this planet. Quitting smoking is terribly tough, but that’s life. As others have said, man the fuck up, and do what must be done.