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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
I mean, this shit is common sense. You’ve been bragging on here about how socially adept you are for an engineer, and somehow you need the basics of Human Interaction 101 spelled out for you. [/quote]
Quality statement right there…Let’s take a step back and instead of looking at the assumptions you made, look at what you are basing these assumptions off of, go ahead.

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
I don’t work in a “billable hours” setting, but I know that when I buckle down and get cracking, I get more done in a couple of focused hours than most of my colleagues get done in a full day anyway
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Snowflake…is that you?

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Well that deescalated quickly.

Beans and Brick, you both have changed immensely in a positive direction from when you started here.

Now, back to work![/quote]

Thank you very much!

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Epic thread is epic. [/quote]

Agreed.

I just got back from one of those mystical diner meetings that OP apparently doesn’t think exists, and am having a night cap. So keep in mind I’ve been drinking at this point, lol.

Anyway, you and I, Brick argued on this board before, about some shit. Much of the general, big picture notions of which were touched on in this thread. Seems to me we’ve both sort of come more towards “center” in our initial arguments, and are in relative agreement here.

Fact of the matter is, I’ve thought about the things you’ve said here on this board often over the last couple of years. And while I still stand by my original points, you were certainly a hell of a lot more correct about things than I ever gave you credit for. My perspective didn’t allow me to step back and consider what you were saying in context, or give your notions any credit. At the time at least, because now, I get it, where you were coming from.

I think it was having my youngest. She really flipped a switch in my mind. The things I did and do for myself now, they are just for me, and it’s so much better this way, for me. I truly no longer give a fuck about what other people think, outside of the small circle of people I keep close. And honestly, and this is where I think about what you’ve said in the past comes in, there is more to life than just being “hardcore” or “better than you were yesterday”. I’m still very much a “be better than you were yesterday” type of person, but now, I enjoy the things in life that aren’t just “self improvement”.

I think it’s just I never understood the two ideas, the two perspectives, your’s and mine, weren’t mutually exclusive. I didn’t get that you could be an “over achiever” and not be an asshole about it at the same time, and in fact the down time, the “slacking”, actually helps you to achieve if you manage it appropriately. Shit the only reason I can still work the 80+ hour weeks six months out of every year, and miss out on that much of my kid’s growing up as I do, is because of how much I can enjoy the down time, and the “slacking”, particularly when it’s with them. (Well that and the lifestyle I provide my family by doing it, that I help people live their dreams, and the fact the cyclical nature of the pressure really fits my personality.)

I’m rambling, but end of the day… I wish I took the time to look at what you were saying before differently, and responded differently than I did. I’d be a fuck ton further along than I am now.

I remember my first review where my billable hours went down from 2400-2600 hours a year down to 2080… I was scared shitless. I was there doing what needed to be done when it was needed, but once I finished my projects I took my time off. I have a long commute so work 7 hour days outside the busy seasons, and if I’m in the office on a Friday, it’s a rare sight. Well, I went in thinking I was about to get my balls busted for “slacking”. Turns out I was complimented. My hours went down, my performance was not only consistent but improved, and my bonus went up as a result, lmao. Learning how to enjoy, manage and utilize distractions was the most lucrative thing I’ve ever done…

You know, “time and a place” and knowing when to “turn it off and on” and all that… [/quote]

This warmed my heart. I like what you’re saying about quality of life improving performance - and I remember that discussion and agreed with Brick - but more I appreciate the time and effort taken to say “you were right and I couldn’t see it then.” If everyone did that, what a nicer world it would be.

On a side note, I believe that discussion was the first during which I experienced confusion as to Brick’s former identity. I remember his woman hatin’ phase, and how intense - almost to the point of irrationality - he was during it, and all of a sudden here was this really thoughtful, chill guy. Now when I see his avatar I settle in for what I know will be a good read. Same with yours.[/quote]

Thanks. :slight_smile:

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.

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carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who once, maybe six months or a year ago, started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.[/quote]

You take those performance reviews seriously?

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[quote]Aero51 wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.[/quote]

You take those performance reviews seriously?[/quote]

Yes, to some extent. My annual raise is tied to it, for one thing. I don’t necessarily care about the rating scale (“demonstrates appropriate written and verbal communication”), but the comments are typically specific to me. To read that the providers at my office have expressed appreciation for my handling of crisis situations is nice. My interest in the quoted “proactive to resolve issues w/ co-workers” had more to do with my anxiety over being the workplace douche, particularly after reading this thread. Other than that I don’t have a lot of questions about my ability to “turn in completed documentation on time.”

I know you don’t like your job, so maybe it’s different for you. Most of my friends like to get their reviews quickly out of the way because what if there’s something shitty on it, and I feel the same way. Is that taking it seriously? Although I like my workplace and it likes me, so the reviews usually wind up being a time for my supervisor and I to sit together and think about how lovely I am. We don’t do that as often as I’d like, frankly. (lol, j/k)

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Epic thread is epic. [/quote]
+1 good lord…

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who once, maybe six months or a year ago, started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.[/quote]

Athough that sounds like something i wouldn’t have a problem saying, i would definitely at least attempt to be a little more creative in most situations, that and I don’t think i would start a comment that way.

I can’t recall having too much back and fourth with you in the past, so I’m going to have to say it wasn’t me.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Same with yours.[/quote]

While were all in a “let’s hug it out” mood, and I’m hung over at my desk right now, so being productive is the last thing that is going to happen…

I’ve recently come into a new found respect for your profession, and those of you that do it.

It essentially all started when I realized I have zero empathy for junkies, or any addict that seemingly “destroys their own life with their shitty choices”. So I’m not talking about a functional drunk, or someone who parties and is in control of their life, bit actual addicts. I grew up in an area where the opportunities are fewer and further between than a lot of other places. It wasn’t the worst place in the world, but it’s not conducive to great success either. So a lot fo the kids I grew up with that stayed there ended up junkies. And a fair number of them like to post on facebook about it, digging the attention whoring and pity parties.

So I asked some people if I was an asshole for not having any empathy for these people. The resultant conversation got me reading about Shrinks and the work you do. (Shrink is a term of endearment from me, that encompasses both therapists and doctors, etc.) I used to think yours was a profession of voodoo, nonsense and other assorted hippy feel good drivel. “No one ever gets cured when they go there, it’s all bullshit.” “The notion of repressed memories is such bullshit, these people are just manipulating their clients” so on and so forth…

The realization, epiphany if you will, came when I truly understood the phrase “a broken crayon still colors”. Because no matter how hard you try, you’ll never get that crayon back together, but you (people in your profession) can certainly help these crayons color inside the lines a little better than they did yesterday.

So essentially, you sit there everyday and talk about some of the most fucked up shit I’ve ever read about in my life. (I mean, reading about Sex Addiction and it’s different levels… That is some creepy ass shit, and I’ve never felt more normal in my life, than to read about what they go through.) You bring your “A Game” everyday to dive straight into the depraved and there is no way you could do what you do without empathy. Which means working with open minded adults has to be hard enough, let alone a hard headed Teen that truly needs your help, that sees you as the enemy and makes you work 300x harder just to get them to stop lying, let alone do the work they need to in order to get better.

So in short, I’d never, ever want to even attempt to do what you do. And much like urologists, podiatrists, dermatologists and a plethora of other careers, like the garbage collector I mentioned a couple pages back; I think you guys deserve more money, and I’m pretty thankful people out there are willing to, and enjoy those jobs.[/quote]

Thank you! But bear in mind that my job exposes me to all sorts of situations, some of them really delightful. Kids who are holy-shit bright and no one’s realized it; couples who are just miscommunicating and need a translator, or one partner who can shift the entire relationship dynamic with our “experiments.” I sometimes laugh until I cry in sessions. I think I posted some time ago about trying to help a young guy improve his pick-up game and the whole thing was so ludicrous and funny, we were gasping for breath over it - but ask me if that guy has a girlfriend now. I’m very good at helping mothers laugh over the stress of parenting, and I’m aces for finding the bright side of a breakup. I work with engineers and professors as well as junkies and people on SSDI for mental health issues. I laugh a LOT with my clients.

So stressful, yes, and not everyone smells good, but there’s a lot of joy there for me. If I can make the hard headed teen that sees me as the enemy smile I feel like I’ve won the entire day. To earn the trust of a woman who has been beaten and battered and has rotted her teeth with drugs, when I’m sitting there in my Frye boots, cute ass clothes, and well-nourished teeth and hair, flatters me and honors me. Because she has to overcome her feelings of inadequacy in comparison to me - and I know I’ve done something really good if I can get her to join with me. Her laughter thrills me to no end. From THERE the drug issues and beatings can stop. Trust and laughter are where it starts, at least as I practice my craft. So not a horrible job at all, if that makes sense.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who once, maybe six months or a year ago, started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.[/quote]

Athough that sounds like something i wouldn’t have a problem saying, i would definitely at least attempt to be a little more creative in most situations, that and I don’t think i would start a comment that way.

I can’t recall having too much back and fourth with you in the past, so I’m going to have to say it wasn’t me.
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Hmm, okay, although I recall at the time being surprised because it was someone I’ve never had a beef with or who was even really on my radar. So I’ll scratch you off the potential enemies list, but since this is the internet and the rules allow for it, I’m still giving you the side-eye of mistrust.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
carbiduis, by any chance are you the guy who once, maybe six months or a year ago, started off a post quoting one of mine with something along the lines of “I don’t like you” or “I’m not a fan of yours” or some such? I can’t for the life of me remember who it was, just that it happened - it was an odd occurrence, not because no one dislikes me, but because it’s unusual to begin a statement of agreement with a notice of antipathy. I ask because I like to keep my enemies organized and seem to have fallen short on this one. But I think it might have been you.

At any rate, and speaking more generally in case you’re my enemy and I want to ignore you, I had my annual performance review yesterday, and it was pretty glowing. I had to self-rate as well as being rated, and on “Works proactively to resolve work issues/problems with co-workers, leaders, providers” I rated myself “competent” rather that “exceptional.” My boss went with exceptional. She also said in “notes” that I’m “a leader amongst the behavioral health staff.” WELL THEN. My campaign to oust the other therapist begins today with tacks on her chair and subtle damning whispers.[/quote]

Athough that sounds like something i wouldn’t have a problem saying, i would definitely at least attempt to be a little more creative in most situations, that and I don’t think i would start a comment that way.

I can’t recall having too much back and fourth with you in the past, so I’m going to have to say it wasn’t me.
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Did you learn that in the boy scouts?

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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I’ve gotten around a 22% increase in my first two years at my current job and I slack quite a bit…

Hell, I even got a $3K bonus last year.

Carbiduis you’re an interesting character, I’ll give you that.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
[/quote]

Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Lol, I was going to ask him if Fortune 500 companies take any advice from their CPA’s but this works, too.

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
[/quote]

Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
[/quote]

Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Lol, I was going to ask him if Fortune 500 companies take any advice from their CPA’s but this works, too.[/quote]

Most are required by law to have CPAs come in and attest to the accuracy of their finacials…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
[/quote]

Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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I’ve gotten around a 22% increase in my first two years at my current job and I slack quite a bit…

Hell, I even got a $3K bonus last year.

Carbiduis you’re an interesting character, I’ll give you that. [/quote]
My raises add up to just over 11%…i guess im on track to match you.

I went and shot today with my dad, his advice was that these people are everywhere, it will take care of itself and i should igbore it.

I’m curious what you did in our field to earn that pay increase, do you have metrics? Are others geting similar raises?