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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.

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There is tons of great advice in this thread carbidius.

In my early 20’s I was usually the most “intelligent” one in the room at work, or at least I thought of myself as such. I was very good at my job and I would usually “win” the debates on whatever our course of action should be. What I was not good at was doing this with respect, courtesy and a humble attitude around both peers and people with years of experience on me. Unfortunately, it took a few wasted opportunities and burned bridges to realize that alienating my coworkers wasn’t very smart at all.

I now remind myself that it is often better to be liked than it is to be right.

Good luck to you!

~twojarslave

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Carbiduis you’re an interesting character, I’ll give you that. [/quote]
Definitely agreed.

But I guess it’s not exactly like he has the wrong attitude overall. Just needs to tone some things down/balance them out.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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I’ve gotten around a 22% increase in my first two years at my current job and I slack quite a bit…

Hell, I even got a $3K bonus last year.

Carbiduis you’re an interesting character, I’ll give you that. [/quote]
My raises add up to just over 11%…i guess im on track to match you.

I went and shot today with my dad, his advice was that these people are everywhere, it will take care of itself and i should igbore it.

I’m curious what you did in our field to earn that pay increase, do you have metrics? Are others geting similar raises?
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That’s good advice. I’m an accountant.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Carbiduis you’re an interesting character, I’ll give you that. [/quote]
Definitely agreed.

But I guess it’s not exactly like he has the wrong attitude overall. Just needs to tone some things down/balance them out.[/quote]

It’s like almost anything else. You need balance unless you want to be the greatest of all time at your profession, which is perfectly fine, but that’s almost no ones goal if they’re honest.

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So earlier I mentioned i made a time log for myself. When i did that, i also created a binder that i have tabs inthat represent each of the project represented each of the projects in my time log. This really focuses my work and my thinking about my projects. What i used to do (and a lot of peiple do) is hist and have one large note, it worked but it was conducive to our chaotic atmospohere. I was until today, the only person with binder (that I’ve seen).

I noticed today jimmy had a white binder with his name and position on it.

Im gonna ask him, out of genuine curiosity, about it on Monday. I might let him know where the tabs are located in the office supply closet, and let him know how i use them. Who knows, maybe he will do the same thing, or modify it in a way that works better for him. I think ill also offer him my time log that i put together in excel. Hows that for leadership?

Whats funny is the previous engineer in his position was working on a time log for engineers (never got anywhere with it), but i dont think its been re-assigned to him. What i have works, annd ive been using it for 5mo.

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I think you’ll find positively guiding him much more rewarding than plotting againat him. It’s a real sign of leadership too. Who knows, maybe this guy didn’t have the guidance from a real father figure like you had and just needs genuine guidance.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
Im gonna ask him, out of genuine curiosity, about it on Monday. I might let him know where the tabs are located in the office supply closet, and let him know how i use them. Who knows, maybe he will do the same thing, or modify it in a way that works better for him. I think ill also offer him my time log that i put together in excel. Hows that for leadership?
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Giving credit where it’s due, that’s very good leadership, and the sort of thing that will lead to more raises and promotions.

One other thing we should clarify - it is possible that you’re right and the dude is a total deadbeat and should be shown the door. And if that is the case, it will happen eventually. But for now, the dude is on the team, and (as noted in the very first reply you got from BlueCollarTr8n) it’s probably not your job to evaluate him or his contributions. Helping him out and seeing if he responds is a better approach, for both you and him, than stirring up shit or tattling on him for being a slacker. If he doesn’t respond even after you give him that help, that’s on him.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.
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I’m curious how you’d have that level of intimate detail regarding your company’s financial health and what they can and can’t afford regarding either capital or labor? What with all your superstarring and your co-worker monitoring how do you also manage to attend all the executive financial meetings to determine magnitude of expenses? You truly deserved those 2 raises if you can figure all that out!! And all with minimal experience in that realm with, what I"m assuming is, an undergrad engineer degree! You must be a special kind of guy who can be an expert in operational financing AND engineering to really comprehend managerial level marginal productivity. Bravo-fucking-o slow clap

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
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Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.
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I’m curious how you’d have that level of intimate detail regarding your company’s financial health and what they can and can’t afford regarding either capital or labor? What with all your superstarring and your co-worker monitoring how do you also manage to attend all the executive financial meetings to determine magnitude of expenses? You truly deserved those 2 raises if you can figure all that out!! And all with minimal experience in that realm with, what I"m assuming is, an undergrad engineer degree! You must be a special kind of guy who can be an expert in operational financing AND engineering to really comprehend managerial level marginal productivity. Bravo-fucking-o slow clap[/quote]

Well his father DID work for a Fortune 500 company, you know.
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Good point…I retract my inquiry!

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
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I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
[/quote]

Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
[/quote]

Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.
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It’s fair to say that some of them are saddled with cut throats! And your dad put up with them to earn a living, the same way nearly all Americans have to put up with “turds” to make a living.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
[/quote]

Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
[/quote]

Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.
[/quote]

I’m curious how you’d have that level of intimate detail regarding your company’s financial health and what they can and can’t afford regarding either capital or labor? What with all your superstarring and your co-worker monitoring how do you also manage to attend all the executive financial meetings to determine magnitude of expenses? You truly deserved those 2 raises if you can figure all that out!! And all with minimal experience in that realm with, what I"m assuming is, an undergrad engineer degree! You must be a special kind of guy who can be an expert in operational financing AND engineering to really comprehend managerial level marginal productivity. Bravo-fucking-o slow clap[/quote]

How? My boss lets me know whats going on (to a degree), in some cases its a requirment for me to make the right deicison on certain projects. So a certain level of urgency is instilled in me while conducting myself at work.

And because my earlier description of how i am able to unintentionally “monitor” my coworker wasn’t clear to you, i spend maybe 20-30 seconds a day “monitoring” my coworker, broken into 10-15 individual 2 second instances (basically every time i enter the office) tell me if any of this isn’t clear. If it isn’t, i can try to break it down further, but it would be like writing instructions for a two-piece puzzle.

Listen man, I’m a nosey control freak and I can’t help it. It’s somethig i have to deal with every second of my life. I am constantly battling with how to manage it, and when I need to act on my concerns or simply ignore them. As with the topic of this thread, it’s clear that i need to ignore it his time.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You keep bragging about your dad and his 4 decades at a Fortune 500 company, as though that’s something you’ve genetically inherited which predisposes you to succeeding in Corporate America, yet you have no idea how to make basic conversation with a co-worker for the common good of your company?
[/quote]

I am out of breath…from your ignorance, it’s like a crisp punch to the solar plexus. From the same guy who just wrote about the effect that his dad had on him. My dad was successful (in my mind) and he raised me well, and I am in a lot of ways similar to him, and successful, do you see the correlation? I would say you can’t read between the lines, but it’s more like you can read THE lines.
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Well, there seems to be one rather notable difference here: I learned enough from my father that I don’t have to start threads on lifting websites asking the Internet how to conduct myself at work.[/quote]

Two raises within my first year at this place, i guess my dad just didn’t teach me “enough”
[/quote]

Do you think all the employees at the Fortune 500 companies were free of slackers and jerks? [/quote]

Im guessing there are more cause there is more financial room for them there. Thats part of my point, my company doesnt have room for turds.
[/quote]

It’s fair to say that some of them are saddled with cut throats! And your dad put up with them to earn a living, the same way nearly all Americans have to put up with “turds” to make a living. [/quote]

My dad told me that all of his raises, promotions and bonuses are 50% due to his performance and 50% due to correctly playing the political game. I understand this. Fuck, i remember when i got out of college and started at $51k, my dad just got a bonus of $22k…almost half of my salary :frowning: thus why i listen to him #1.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’m a nosey control freak and I can’t help it. It’s somethig i have to deal with every second of my life. I am constantly battling with how to manage it, and when I need to act on my concerns or simply ignore them. As with the topic of this thread, it’s clear that i need to ignore it his time.
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Fair enough … I’m a bit of a control freak myself; I understand the struggle

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
My dad told me that all of his raises, promotions and bonuses are 50% due to his performance and 50% due to correctly playing the political game. I understand this. Fuck, i remember when i got out of college and started at $51k, my dad just got a bonus of $22k…almost half of my salary :frowning: thus why i listen to him #1.
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That’s probably a fair number.

Sometimes I’d actually put it 70-80% political, but the political part is important. I lost a job once by not playing that game right. I realized it was a weakness, and put myself in a really highly political environment to learn this stuff. (Software contractor to a government office, working with both tenured and non-tenure employees with elected “management”. Many many different games at play.)

Like most things, it’s not hard once you learn it, but it takes awhile to learn to accept that this stuff is important, even though a lot of it seems stupid and childish at first.

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I work for a total control freak… although he has a limited idea of what we all do on a day to day basis. We used to do weekly-reports, mention what is done, what is not done and so on. He nixed that soon after I joined the group for unknown reasons.

There are 8 of us who work for him. 4 of us do the bulk of the work. One other guy chases his own tail all day, actually making more work for himself. We have a Pakistani guy, he runs job charges into the red and has nothing to show for it. And he gets away with it. 2 others really need more supervision on a daily basis, or work along with some of us senior group members. We’re spread out physically too, our newest guy is mixed in with another group and not close to the rest of us.

My boss has an out-of-the-way cubicle, all we do is hear him tapping on the keyboard all day long. He rarely comes out to interact with any of us, but we try to bait him out with emails that we include him on.

Someone must have placed a bunsen burner under his balls lately. Now he wants to know what EXACTLY what we are working on. Our almost-mandatory overtime charging is starting to get noticed up the food chain. We all had to submit a list of what we’re working on.

Today was my turn in the barrel to go over my stuff. He admitted he had no idea I was that involved in so many things. Which was good and now he has prioritized most of it, some of it gets put off until 2016. I don’t like working for someone I can’t trust and have lost a lot of respect for him, so have others. He has a history of getting bounced out of other jobs, how he has lasted by us for so long baffles me.