Skipping Breakfast is the Way to Go? WTF

Nutrition
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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
You know what I notice among a lot of overweight people? they skip breakfast… just sayin[/quote]

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
for those not hungry at breakfast, it’s more likely b/c you haven’t eaten breakfast in a long time.

Eat breakfast every day for 3 weeks, then report back after missing it one morning. You’ll be hungry.[/quote]

Two absolutely useless posts…just sayin’. :slight_smile:

  1. Correlation does not equal causation. Did you even read the article?

  2. Eat every two hours and your body will get used to that. Eat one meal a day and you’ll adjust to that, too. I’ve been eating breakfast for as long as I can remember. Took me all of two days to adjust to not eating it. Your body wants food when it’s used to getting it. That says nothing about what you actually need.

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How would skipping breakfast affect metabolism? Wouldn’t it decrease because of the prolonged timing of the fast? Or would it not be affected because you are still lifting and muscle will be enough to keep metabolism high?

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Just to add that he has several replies in the comments section where he notes that this method can be used even for muscle building purposes, not just for fat loss.

As far as the “he’s recommending a low carb breakfast” he also wrote:

“This has not been addressed explicitly, but consuming only protein can also cause insulin spikes via the gluconeogenesis that may occur with the sudden buildup of free amino acids.”

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
You know what I notice among a lot of overweight people? they skip breakfast… just sayin[/quote]

They also drive cars…I think I’ve figured it out…CARS CAUSE OBESITY!

You’re really strong on this science stuff, aren’t you?

MA, here are the studies Keifer references re: circadian rhythms and insulin sensitivity

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When I wake I’m starving, have an ache in gut and a foggy mind. This is multiplied by about 10 if I trained the previous evening.

Don’t care about the references, I know this would never be optimal for me. Would rather do more cardio than skip breakfast if I need to loose more fat.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
You know what I notice among a lot of overweight people? they skip breakfast… just sayin[/quote]

Forget the science, this is the truth. I’d have better odds at winning the lottery than finding a fat person that eats breakfast. 80-90% of the people I know don’t eat breakfast, so that alone is enough for me to eat it.

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What do I know. I’ve literally interviewed thousands of people in the past 8 yrs looking to lose weight. And the vast majority of them skip breakfast.

And yes, cars do contribute to obesity, people walk less, burn less calories… ok, I was j/k with that one, but it does hold true :smiley:

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Read this yesterday and now think next week I’ll give it a try for a bit and see what happens. Only one way to find out what is optimal for each of us. For years I’ve followed the eat within the first hour of waking camp and made decent progress but still carry more fat than I’d like, we’ll see.

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[quote]beaul wrote:

[quote]catalyst wrote:
I think a few people in the past have been successful at losing fat while eating breakfast. I could be wrong, though. [/quote]

Yes and people also used to cross the country by horse and buggy.

What would be wrong with trying to optimize the process of losing fat and gaining muscle?
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That’s why we’re all here.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
You know what I notice among a lot of overweight people? they skip breakfast… just sayin[/quote]

I’ve also noticed that a lot of overweight people don’t spend 4-6 days a week working hard in the gym…just sayin’ :slight_smile:

I love breakfast, but I’d be lying if I said this article hasn’t been swirling around in my mind for the past 24 hours. It’s very thought provoking.

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im sorry, but when decades worth of bodybuilders are telling me to eat breakfast, im going to eat breakfast.

Anytime i read an article like this, I tend to recal “scientific” articles with dozens of citings that make some outlandish claim like “the body can only absorb up to 2g of protein per hr.”

After an 8 hr fast, or perhaps even longer because you also read an article that told you not to eat prior to bed, and you plan on heading straight to the gym to “Promote fat loss,” then you A. Need to know lose fat properly, and B. Wont be maintaining too much muscle for very long.

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They also eat lots of Twinkies, Big Macs, and drink soda like no other. Nowhere in that article suggests that you can eat whatever you want while skipping breakfast and still lose fat. You still need to eat a good combination of P/F and P/C meals.[/quote]

Come on now. Not every over weight person eats shit all day long. What I find is people just a little over weight have a g flux issue. They don’t eat enough and when they do it’s usually not great. However, the obese typically do eat as you say. They also don’t strive for anything in life. How many successful people have you met that are obese. I bet not many.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
im sorry, but when decades worth of bodybuilders are telling me to eat breakfast, im going to eat breakfast.

Anytime i read an article like this, I tend to recal “scientific” articles with dozens of citings that make some outlandish claim like “the body can only absorb up to 2g of protein per hr.”

After an 8 hr fast, or perhaps even longer because you also read an article that told you not to eat prior to bed, and you plan on heading straight to the gym to “Promote fat loss,” then you A. Need to know lose fat properly, and B. Wont be maintaining too much muscle for very long.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not even the slightest.

The people advocating skipping breakfast (Martin, Keifer, etc) are also advocating a large feeding before bed and training later in the afternoon after breaking the fast.

There is no scientific evidence that the body goes into any sort of “starvation mode”, experiences metabolic slowdown, or even begins breaking down muscle protein via glucogenesis during the 16 hour fasting period. In fact, there is strong evidence to the opposite effect: fasting INCREASES metabolism and fatty acid oxidation. Since you want to build strawmen regarding “science” and how much protein can be absorbed per hour, those of us who eat this way are usually consuming upwards of 80-100g of protein per meal.

By the way, since the “no big bros do this” card already got pulled…

leangains.com/2010/07/leangains-vs-30-year-old-crisis.html
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189

Those two guys skip breakfast. Obviously, their muscles are just falling right off.

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Fat people don’t eat breakfast? Seriously?

Ever been to a Denny’s?

See, I can use anecdotal “evidence” as well.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
im sorry, but when decades worth of bodybuilders are telling me to eat breakfast, im going to eat breakfast.

Anytime i read an article like this, I tend to recal “scientific” articles with dozens of citings that make some outlandish claim like “the body can only absorb up to 2g of protein per hr.”

After an 8 hr fast, or perhaps even longer because you also read an article that told you not to eat prior to bed, and you plan on heading straight to the gym to “Promote fat loss,” then you A. Need to know lose fat properly, and B. Wont be maintaining too much muscle for very long.
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If it interests you, then try it.

That’s the only way you’ll know if it works better than what you’re currently doing.

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[quote]mrw173 wrote:
Fat people don’t eat breakfast? Seriously?

Ever been to a Denny’s?

See, I can use anecdotal “evidence” as well.[/quote]

The Grand Slamwich.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
im sorry, but when decades worth of bodybuilders are telling me to eat breakfast, im going to eat breakfast.

Anytime i read an article like this, I tend to recal “scientific” articles with dozens of citings that make some outlandish claim like “the body can only absorb up to 2g of protein per hr.”

After an 8 hr fast, or perhaps even longer because you also read an article that told you not to eat prior to bed, and you plan on heading straight to the gym to “Promote fat loss,” then you A. Need to know lose fat properly, and B. Wont be maintaining too much muscle for very long.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not even the slightest.

The people advocating skipping breakfast (Martin, Keifer, etc) are also advocating a large feeding before bed and training later in the afternoon after breaking the fast.

There is no scientific evidence that the body goes into any sort of “starvation mode”, experiences metabolic slowdown, or even begins breaking down muscle protein via glucogenesis during the 16 hour fasting period. In fact, there is strong evidence to the opposite effect: fasting INCREASES metabolism and fatty acid oxidation. Since you want to build strawmen regarding “science” and how much protein can be absorbed per hour, those of us who eat this way are usually consuming upwards of 80-100g of protein per meal.

By the way, since the “no big bros do this” card already got pulled…

leangains.com/2010/07/leangains-vs-30-year-old-crisis.html
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189

Those two guys skip breakfast. Obviously, their muscles are just falling right off.[/quote]

lol never claimed to know a whole lot behind the chemical workings. As i simply said, MOST bodybuilders That ive read from and talked to would not suggest doing something like this. I also stated that i am very skeptical of these because, like i said, ive read some ridiculous nonsense.

There are also plenty of articles suggesting you should not eat before bed, i never said that this particular author suggested that. People will tend to follow different things at once. The general public is pretty ill advised when it comes to diet and health, and when they read one thing saying dont eat before bed, and another thing saying dont eat breakfast, they are going to do both. You are Damn quick to belittle.

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You made a bunch of claims regarding the systems we are talking about and NONE of them were even close to true. These authors are presenting their advice in the context of an entire system. No one reads the Anabolic Diet and starts having massive weekend carb ups without dieting during the week, and I think we can assume that this is the same.

This board isn’t “the general public” so you don’t need to worry about us. Keiffer’s blog is called “Dangerously Hardcore” for fuck’s sake, you probably won’t be seeing this stuff on the cover of People Magazine anytime soon. If you had any clue what it was you were saying couldn’t possibly work, then you would know that eating before bed is actually more important to the system than skipping breakfast. You are damn quick to criticize something you know nothing about with your “I talked to da big bros” logic.

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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
im sorry, but when decades worth of bodybuilders are telling me to eat breakfast, im going to eat breakfast.

Anytime i read an article like this, I tend to recal “scientific” articles with dozens of citings that make some outlandish claim like “the body can only absorb up to 2g of protein per hr.”

After an 8 hr fast, or perhaps even longer because you also read an article that told you not to eat prior to bed, and you plan on heading straight to the gym to “Promote fat loss,” then you A. Need to know lose fat properly, and B. Wont be maintaining too much muscle for very long.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not even the slightest.

The people advocating skipping breakfast (Martin, Keifer, etc) are also advocating a large feeding before bed and training later in the afternoon after breaking the fast.

There is no scientific evidence that the body goes into any sort of “starvation mode”, experiences metabolic slowdown, or even begins breaking down muscle protein via glucogenesis during the 16 hour fasting period. In fact, there is strong evidence to the opposite effect: fasting INCREASES metabolism and fatty acid oxidation. Since you want to build strawmen regarding “science” and how much protein can be absorbed per hour, those of us who eat this way are usually consuming upwards of 80-100g of protein per meal.

By the way, since the “no big bros do this” card already got pulled…

leangains.com/2010/07/leangains-vs-30-year-old-crisis.html
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189

Those two guys skip breakfast. Obviously, their muscles are just falling right off.[/quote]

lol never claimed to know a whole lot behind the chemical workings. As i simply said, MOST bodybuilders That ive read from and talked to would not suggest doing something like this. I also stated that i am very skeptical of these because, like i said, ive read some ridiculous nonsense.

There are also plenty of articles suggesting you should not eat before bed, i never said that this particular author suggested that. People will tend to follow different things at once. The general public is pretty ill advised when it comes to diet and health, and when they read one thing saying dont eat before bed, and another thing saying dont eat breakfast, they are going to do both. You are Damn quick to belittle.[/quote]

LOL at teh chemical workings newb.

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The mods don’t seem to like my link to Martin’s blog, but here is one of his clients who is obviously starving away all of his muscle: