Actually, I work out to stay strong and healthy. I stopped thinking that people were going to worship me as an alpha male just because I worked out by the time I got out of highschool. If I wanted to be considered huge by gym standards I’d start juicing. Anyone with average genetics, average determination, and average willpower could be huge (by the average american’s standard) with juice. Don’t try to argue with me on that, I’ve seen it happen too many times. Sorry, size stopped impressing me long ago. I could go all my life with out seeing another Mr. Olympia (or in some eyes, I guess, the Alpha Male of the year). I don’t care what others size goals are, just don’t fool yourself into believing that everyone is going to volunteer to hold your gymbag for you or feel like less of a male because you entered the room. For me this merely a lifetime health commitment; therefore, something as silly as bodyweight and bodyfat, gains no respect from me. I judge whether you get my respect by your personality, fat or skinny. To pumpkin pie: I never said you weren’t large. I said if you thought being large made you an alpha male, than you aren’t an alpha male. And that wasn’t specifically addressed to you by the way, only thrown out as a general observation. I reposted that because I’m being generous. Oh, one more thing, if hugeness determines alpha male, why is it that bodybuilding (as in the roided out, huge variety) is merely a subculture that is looked at with a general attitude of “gross.” Please, do you really believe that the vast majority of people look at Flex magazine as an Alpha Male photo album. Or, do they see it as a collection of weirdo freaks? Hey, I’d like to put a little more size in strength on this frame, but I’m not going to do because I think I’m going to be the bomb, or the shit. I’m signing off this thread. Ooops, Drax ignore them. Don’t make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Couldn’t agree with you more Mr. Big. My point is that the large man will get more attention. Did I say it is the only way to be an alpha male? No. Did I state that it is more important to be strong than it is to be intelligent? No. But to state that large men don’t get more attention is just plain wrong.
Molsonman. Bravo for posting your size. I appreciate honesty. I am puzzled by your comment about alpha male societies. My God, take a look around the world and look at the dictators. Think Fidel, Hussein, etc… No, I don’t think they got there via brawn. However, turn the clock back 30,000 years and physical strength would have been a far more important factor in obtaining and keeping power. Power includes land, mates, food, etc… I want you to ask this specific question to your friends. Ask them this (and only this), “If you were in a room with a bunch of perfect strangers, who would you notice first? The over 6 foot guy, or the underwear modelling guys?” I have asked that question to around 20 women in the past two days and the answer has been unanimous. Please write back and tell me what I already know.
I like that grizzly bear idea, kind of like that guy in Ghostdog. I think I’d have to get bigger to get to my strength goals, not because I think girls will be all over me, nor to be some kind of alpha male. I’m just doing my own thing like a grizzly bear.
Who would they notice first? I’m not sure how that relates to the Alpha Male discussion. Same scenario, add a man with burn marks all over his face, just might get the first real looks. I would say the most positive attention would signify an alpha male trait. That is, if it exists in a static and defineable standard. Seems to me that this elusive Alpha Male is a flavor of the day. Whatever might be fashionable in other words. If you’re going to say that biologically a big Man is an Alpha Male, why aren’t probodybuilders the number one sex symbols? Wouldn’t women have an uncontrolable and biological lust for them? Yet, in the real world they are generally laughed at by women and the lean athletic look rules. Let’s stop arguing what we might wish and face how the world (and maybe women’s biological instinct) really is.
I nevr said being big was not important, in fact I would love to be biggerm and Magnus made valid point, that all things being equal, (fighting skill, intelligence, etc) the bigger stronger guy has the advantage. However, being big and strong alone is not enough. By the way most male models are over six feet and have to be over 5’9" so that argument is getting old. another thing, I don’t see little guys “coming out of the woodwork” like you said, in fact I am probably the only one. Your big, so what, you take up more space so you get noticed, but then what people will say "Who’s the big guy? " and then move on to more important things, not “Gee, I bet he can bench alot, I want to be with that guy.” You have to be big in all areas, not just the physical.
- This is a very interesting discussion… mostly anti-big oriented… on a website called Testosterone muscle with attitude. Very interesting. 2. Another false assumption is that being big cancels being everything else (smart, being the first obvious choice) 3. I don’t see any big guys complaining about being big big here… I just see little guys saying how they don’t need to be big, how their size is just about right, bashing big guys for being “muttonheads” and making a different choice… a harder one to achieve too… 4. Once again, interesting, very interesting.
You don’t see too many old big dogs or people. It puts too much of a strain on the heart. 
I disagree with you Avoids. My grandfather was 6’3", 245 when he passed away @ the age of 97, and he was not fat. He was just big and strong. My father and uncle are both in their 60’s. My father is 6’4", 235 and in great shape. My uncle is 6’9", 315, 10% bf. My uncle is the only one of the two who lifts and he is as strong as a bear. You can be big and old as long as you take care of your heart as well as you take care of the rest of your body.
Axy I haven’t seen anyone really bash someone for being big. I’m not sure were you got that. We’re argueing whether bigness automatically makes everyone think your some kind of leader, alpha male, Icon. Me personally, I don’t think there really is a biological alpha male for the human specicies. I think it tends to be more financial, cultural, and dependent on time period. A fashion trend in otherwords. Ok I’m bored now. This was my last post to this thread.
Take two guys that are in every respect IDENTICAL and then make the one large and muscular and make the other guy either 165 or a fat tub of shit. Which guy gets laid sooner, and more often? If the answer is “the peewee/fat guy”, you’re really going to piss off the bodybuilding industry, which is marketed almost exclusively towards men trying to improve their bodies to impress other people (ie. women). Spare me your posts about how you’re doing it for yourself – you may very well be, but the few out there on a “Journey of Discovery and Self-improvement” don’t a majority make.
So being big and muscular doesn’t AUTOMATICALLY make you an alpha male. Fine. Nowadays in the civilized world I agree. I fail to grasp the idea behind dismissing those who are large out of hand, and if you don’t have SOME reaction to a large man nearby your survival instinct has been sheltered by a healthy dose of Law and Order.
And why the fuck doesn’t the grizzly bear not worry about what anyone else is doing? HE’S 850 FUCKING POUNDS! Does he wander around scared of what the squirrels and birds are going to do next? NO!!! HE HAS NO NATURAL PREDATORS!!! Have you ever known somebody that was naturally gigantic – tall, muscular, generally huge? They exhibit a similar behavior: they don’t nip away like little dogs because they aren’t threatened by the little fellows. And I don’t mean Roid Freaks, they are often little guys in lots of ways hoping they won’t deflate any time soon.
Okay, we get it for god’s sake. You’ve worked hard to be an alpha male and goddamnit somebody better start showing you some respect. Done with this idiotic thread.
Big, I live in Grizzly country, so I can speak with some authority here. The Grizzly does have a natural predator. It is substantially smaller and physically weaker, but it’s aided by opposable thumbs and a very powerful brain. This whole debate really makes me laugh. Folks, the idea of a size-dominant human Alpha Male in today’s world is just silly. Yeah, it happens, but more often than not if the “big guy” looks like he got that way from moving pig-iron as opposed to genetics, he looks like he’s compensating for other weaknesses. Yeah, I lift, and I want to get bigger, but not to fulfill some bullshit Alpha Male fantasy. I was able to cock block and score LONG before I ever decided to artificially swell myself up with weights and food. I’ve also never really had a problem speaking in front of groups, etc. Let’s put it this way: If you have no game, you aren’t going to magically get it by pushing weight. And if you really buy into the “Alpha Male” thing, that’s fine. Just don’t get too upset when a little guy puts you in your place a la’ Joe Pesci in Goodfellas.
Demo Dick, 5’3”, 175 pounds of pure Irish Thunder and Sexual Fury.
P.S. That last comment was tongue in cheek. Lighten up and laugh guys, life is too short to be surly all the time. :)
Demo’s right… anywho the alpha male isn’t the biggest, or the strongest, or the prettiest, the alpha male is the most aggressive. He’d wack everyone around him, till members of his pack submit or till someone drives him away becoming the alpha male or kills him in combat. We all know big guys who are very passive. Size alone doesn’t make the alpha male… its brutality.
I am huge. I am an Alpha Male. I will get your respect and admiration if you ever saw me in public. you will want to be me. If you do not, I will kick your ass, dry hump you to show my dominance and take your woman. For I am the forum Alpha Male.
You’re not the “Alpha Male” you’re a SLAP-NUTT.=)B/C only a SLAPNUTT would write something so asinine. You big strong man you.
Mr. Huge, that is one hilarious post! Now we are getting somewhere with this post. You have summed up all the alpha males’ arguments on this thread. The small guys can piss and moan, but they just want to be you (Huge). By the way what is a cock block? What is a Slapnutt? What if your elders caught you using such ridiculous words. I hope you would be ashamed.
A cock block is what you do when you see a female that you like who already has males clamoring around her for attention. Done properly, she ends up with you and the other guys go home to their bottles of hand lotion and boxes of tissues. How do you do it? That’s up to you.
Where I live, the only successful cock-blocking strategy revolves around money and not about being 6 ft 5, 5 ft 4, midget, giant, lean, fat, T-Man, Alpha-male, Epsilon-male or whatever.