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also is a whey + milk shake before bad good (better) as opposed to some cottage cheese.
How would you guys rec. no sugar added ice cream(80 cal,4g fat (2.5sat- fat, 14 carbs (3 fiber, 12 suger), 2g protein.? In moderation, when to eat it?
[quote]bobisnew wrote:
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also is a whey + milk shake before bad good (better) as opposed to some cottage cheese.
How would you guys rec. no sugar added ice cream(80 cal,4g fat (2.5sat- fat, 14 carbs (3 fiber, 12 suger), 2g protein.? In moderation, when to eat it?
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I wasn’t even going to post anything because, frankly, your pics scare me. It scares me that you think you are “fat” anywhere. It scares me that someone actually wrote that you should not “bulk up”. There are clearly some equally misguided people on this board.
You look the way you do because you have no muscle. Muscle is what gives your body shape. You have lost EVERYTHING to get down to where you are now. There is no reason someone in your condition should be worrying about whether they should eat cottage cheese instead of a protein shake with milk at night.
I don’t think you get it. You look like one of those starving kids on late night telethons and you actually see yourself as “skinny fat” with an emphasis on the fat. There is no fat on you that needs to be lost. You need to gain some weight quickly and NO, you should not be that concerned about whether it is all “clean” food.
You need to get in the gym and actualy lift regularly. But then, all of this is for nothing if you truly look in the mirror and still see a fat guy.
Skinny-fat: The condition of having very little muscle mass while simultaneously retaining a high bodyfat%
This guy is skinny-fat because he hasn’t even got visible abs. He is a notch below the marathon-runner types who are very small but at least have visible definition. It’s the absolute worst condition for a bodybuilder. He knows it and is being honest with himself. No need for mind altering drugs.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Skinny-fat: The condition of having very little muscle mass while simultaneously retaining a high bodyfat%
This guy is skinny-fat because he hasn’t even got visible abs. He is a notch below the marathon-runner types who are very small but at least have visible definition. It’s the absolute worst condition for a bodybuilder. He knows it and is being honest with himself. No need for mind altering drugs.[/quote]
You can’t see his abs because they aren’t developed, not because he has a layer of fat covering them. Are you even looking at these pics?
bobisnew, I fail to see any bitch tits in your pics. Just some very underdeveloped pectorals.
There are some stupid f34king people out there.
THIS GUY WENT FROM 180lbs to 130lbs
FFS doesn’t that ring alarm bells
He lost 50 pounds of body mass.
FFS at 180lbs and his height he is f@#$king skinny.
I simply cannot swear enough to get my point across.
Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t eat a frikkin tonne of food, anyone who thinks he has ANY bodyfat that is a problem, is an idiot.
I’d think he has a psyche problem except he wants to gain mass, and his body, despite being really skinny, isn’t THAT bad for someone young, tall, and severely misguided so far. Also his attitude is not bad, wanting to get bigger etc… although how the hell he can think he has any fat problems, and how he lost FIFTY POUNDS without alarm bells going off is beyond me.
Nevertheless to me it looks like he has a good potential for muscle mass.
I’d focus on deadlift and eating a shiteload.
Getting back to 180lbs should be pretty easy, following a good basic routine and eating tonnes.
bobisnew forgive me talking about you as if you were not there, I am mostly berating the numbnut responses.
You need to eat 5,000 calories, not 2400 calories, that is bugger all.
You are headed in the right direction though.
You CANNOT “spot reduce” fat without surgery.
You can however build chest muscle and the tits will disappear and you will have a mighty chest.
You do not however have a fat problem on your chest or anywhere.
Seriously, it will all take care of itself.
Not being able to squat is a big drawback, you MUST deadlift or something similar instead.
Otherwise I reckon you are on the right path as long as you seriously eat twice what you are eating now, and lift big.
[quote]Magarhe wrote:
There are some stupid f34king people out there.
THIS GUY WENT FROM 180lbs to 130lbs
FFS doesn’t that ring alarm bells
He lost 50 pounds of body mass.
FFS at 180lbs and his height he is f@#$king skinny.
I simply cannot swear enough to get my point across.
Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t eat a frikkin tonne of food, anyone who thinks he has ANY bodyfat that is a problem, is an idiot.
I’d think he has a psyche problem except he wants to gain mass, and his body, despite being really skinny, isn’t THAT bad for someone young, tall, and severely misguided so far. Also his attitude is not bad, wanting to get bigger etc… although how the hell he can think he has any fat problems, and how he lost FIFTY POUNDS without alarm bells going off is beyond me.
Nevertheless to me it looks like he has a good potential for muscle mass.
I’d focus on deadlift and eating a shiteload.
Getting back to 180lbs should be pretty easy, following a good basic routine and eating tonnes.
bobisnew forgive me talking about you as if you were not there, I am mostly berating the numbnut responses.
You need to eat 5,000 calories, not 2400 calories, that is bugger all.
You are headed in the right direction though.
You CANNOT “spot reduce” fat without surgery.
You can however build chest muscle and the tits will disappear and you will have a mighty chest.
You do not however have a fat problem on your chest or anywhere.
Seriously, it will all take care of itself.
Not being able to squat is a big drawback, you MUST deadlift or something similar instead.
Otherwise I reckon you are on the right path as long as you seriously eat twice what you are eating now, and lift big.
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Good post. The growing stupidity on this board is amazing. You ahve too many obviously skinny guys on this board trying their best to justify how skinny they are by ignoring any real problem any other posters may have.
No one should be telling this guy he needs to gain weight slowly. No one should be feeding his distorted self image that is telling him he is fat.
Anyone doing this needs to stop posting.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
There are some stupid f34king people out there.
THIS GUY WENT FROM 180lbs to 130lbs
FFS doesn’t that ring alarm bells
He lost 50 pounds of body mass.
FFS at 180lbs and his height he is f@#$king skinny.
I simply cannot swear enough to get my point across.
Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t eat a frikkin tonne of food, anyone who thinks he has ANY bodyfat that is a problem, is an idiot.
I’d think he has a psyche problem except he wants to gain mass, and his body, despite being really skinny, isn’t THAT bad for someone young, tall, and severely misguided so far. Also his attitude is not bad, wanting to get bigger etc… although how the hell he can think he has any fat problems, and how he lost FIFTY POUNDS without alarm bells going off is beyond me.
Nevertheless to me it looks like he has a good potential for muscle mass.
I’d focus on deadlift and eating a shiteload.
Getting back to 180lbs should be pretty easy, following a good basic routine and eating tonnes.
bobisnew forgive me talking about you as if you were not there, I am mostly berating the numbnut responses.
You need to eat 5,000 calories, not 2400 calories, that is bugger all.
You are headed in the right direction though.
You CANNOT “spot reduce” fat without surgery.
You can however build chest muscle and the tits will disappear and you will have a mighty chest.
You do not however have a fat problem on your chest or anywhere.
Seriously, it will all take care of itself.
Not being able to squat is a big drawback, you MUST deadlift or something similar instead.
Otherwise I reckon you are on the right path as long as you seriously eat twice what you are eating now, and lift big.
Good post. The growing stupidity on this board is amazing. You ahve too many obviously skinny guys on this board trying their best to justify how skinny they are by ignoring any real problem any other posters may have.
No one should be telling this guy he needs to gain weight slowly. No one should be feeding his distorted self image that is telling him he is fat.
Anyone doing this needs to stop posting.[/quote]
100% true some of this may be harsh hard to hear but for sure in this case more than many it is needed and justified, you all telling this kid to not bulk and to diet the boobs off is like taking the last cracker away from the chick that played Ally McBeal, Calista what ever the hell.
This guy is sickly thin. Seems to have an eating disorder and for sure at the least has a twisted self veiw. I mean the first pick you can clearly see the bone structure across his chest No muscle and you all are telling him yhea sucks being 155 @ sick foot and cant see abs yet, drop half that sandwhich you allowyour self daily and do 1000 situps you’ll be ripped in no time.
It is not sad but disgusting what the media driven self image had come to, people aching to lose MORE and MORE at all cost, Skinny does NOT equal healthy or good looking.
Best of luck,
Phill
bobisnew please note I was not saying YOU are f234king stupid, I honestly think you are doing the best you can and have the right direction and goals: you want to put on muscle mass.
Just some of the advice was nuts.
You are potentially a big, BIG guy - you are tall, your muscles look long (not big, but long), you have bugger all muscles on your chest and back but let me tell you - do the right thing and THAT can be fixed.
I think you could build a really good chest and back.
You really need to get it into your head how much you have to eat. Something like THREE TIMES what you are eating now. I am not kidding.
Trying to decide whether to eat whey or cottage cheese at night (possibly trying to save fat and not get too fat) is just plain insane. This is what you should eat: whey, AND cottage cheese, AND then the same thing again.
You eating 200g of cottage cheese at night? EAT SIX HUNDRED GRAMS.
At 2000 cals you have to triple your food intake.
You need to do basic movements and you need to put on the plates every session.
deadlifts 2x a week
bench press 2x a week
bent row 1x a week
military press 1x a week
because of your knees no squat, not sure what you should do about legs, deadlifts might sort that out though
I’m pulling my hair out because when I look at you I see a tonne of potential, you have the desire I believe, you have a few misleading ideas though, as your chest and back build up mass your arms and shoulders will fall into line nicely I believe.
ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH the frustration
geez anyone who can lose 50 lbs so fast never has to worry about needing to cut at any time in the future no matter how much they bulk
6000 calories is a little excessive i think 4000 is more than enough im pretty sure his metabolism is in the garbage. he weighs 150 at 6 foot that means he has what 5 pounds of muscle. this kid has to realize a normal person that is six foot is over 200 pounds. didnt it say somewhere he was 130. that is disgusting. are you on any medications. supplements? please dont tell me you take any fat burners? you do drugs? even fat people get more ass then a skeleton
and please try when you workout go 6-8 rep range. you should struggle on the last one. please dont work otu like my dad he doesnt try. and please dont be one of those old guys that do 50 reps or 100 sets. 1 because that doesnt do anything and 2 everyone thinks thats annoying.cna you get wraps for your knees to do squats? ask your doctor.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Skinny-fat: The condition of having very little muscle mass while simultaneously retaining a high bodyfat%
This guy is skinny-fat because he hasn’t even got visible abs. He is a notch below the marathon-runner types who are very small but at least have visible definition. It’s the absolute worst condition for a bodybuilder. He knows it and is being honest with himself. No need for mind altering drugs.[/quote]
He has a distended stomach, with no ab strength, from malnutrition and poor workout habits. He certainly is not skinny fat.
Alright, I have never had visible abs in my life. Even before I hit my growth spurt and gained 50 lbs. of muscle and fat, I couldn’t see my abs. I’ve always thought that my ideal physique would be one where I had a six pack kickin’. Well, being on this website is really starting to change all that. Reading posts of people who tell this guy to try to “cut” so he can see his abs is just ridiculous. And this guy thinking that he is fat is really sad.
To the OP, you are not fat. Like many have said before me, you are actually too skinny. Forget about wanting to see your abs. Pay no attention to anyone telling you to cut or to lose more weight. They are morons. You need to put on lots of muscle. You need to eat, lift and sleep. Rinse and repeat. For a good couple of years. Focus on the big lifts, bench, deads and squats. If you put on muscle you will look healthier. It’s not about looking better for you. It’s about becoming healthier. I think you are at a point right now where you could get to a very dangerous health level is you continue to lose weight. So, please, eat and lift. And ignore all those who tell you that you are fat and need to cut.
You have a ton of smart people on here who are willing to give you a lot of quality advice. I hope that you listen to them.
I agree that 6000 calories might be excessive, but I think part of the problem is that you’re so focused on the precise number of calories in the first place. Actually, I think a lot of people on this board are too focused on calorie counting and on only eating certain foods at certain times of day, etc… Understand, I’m not saying those things don’t have their place, but I think they’re mostly for advanced lifters with very specific goals.
My advice to bobisnew is to eat as much as you can without being obsessive about counting calories or eating ALL “bad” stuff (fried, sugary, etc.), although some (a couple scoops of ice cream a day, for example) is definitely okay. The good news is I think you’re actually in a decent position to put on some muscle and thereby get the definition/shape that you’re looking for. For one thing you’re only nineteen. For another, while you don’t have a huge frame, it’s far from the worst I’ve seen on this site. Also, I don’t know what people are talking about when they agree that you’re skinny-fat – lift and eat well for even a few months and any “loose skin” will tighten up or melt away.
If you’ve been struggling with an eating disorder, it shouldn’t be hard for you to find help (I’m sure your college’s Health Service has a LOT of experience treating eating disorders); if the problem has only been the incorrect training philosophies/diet advice you’ve had until now, then consider yourself lucky that you’re not even twenty and have now found a place where you can get the straight dope about how to build your body.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Skinny-fat: The condition of having very little muscle mass while simultaneously retaining a high bodyfat%
This guy is skinny-fat because he hasn’t even got visible abs. He is a notch below the marathon-runner types who are very small but at least have visible definition. It’s the absolute worst condition for a bodybuilder. He knows it and is being honest with himself. No need for mind altering drugs.[/quote]
Holy shit!! Usually when Prof X says he’s actually ‘scared’ of the mentality of people who are lean and still want to cut I think ‘yeah yeah he’s right, if a little melodramatic’.
When I saw the title “skinny-fat” and then saw these pics I actually became genuinely scared. I mean the mentality where this guy would describe himeself as skinny-fat is frightening and the fact that anyone agreed with him is ridiculous & scary. Quite simply, if you think this guy needs to lose fat, you should join a pro-ana site.
Edit: to the OP, don’t go nuts over every gram of saturated fat, complex carbs v’s something else. Basically, there’s no need to over analyse right now. Just bring a full jar of peanut butter and a spoon into work with you and leave with an empty one. Eat as much as you can and work out hard. If you start getting fat (and I mean actually getting fat) then work out harder.
[quote]bobisnew wrote:
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also is a whey + milk shake before bad good (better) as opposed to some cottage cheese.
How would you guys rec. no sugar added ice cream(80 cal,4g fat (2.5sat- fat, 14 carbs (3 fiber, 12 suger), 2g protein.? In moderation, when to eat it?
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Bob. Maybe its just me, but i’m not seeing any man boobs in the pics?
I see that your stomach is a bit bloated… for sure. But I don’t see the man boobs?
[quote]wires wrote:
bobisnew wrote:
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also is a whey + milk shake before bad good (better) as opposed to some cottage cheese.
How would you guys rec. no sugar added ice cream(80 cal,4g fat (2.5sat- fat, 14 carbs (3 fiber, 12 suger), 2g protein.? In moderation, when to eat it?
Bob. Maybe its just me, but i’m not seeing any man boobs in the pics?
I see that your stomach is a bit bloated… for sure. But I don’t see the man boobs?[/quote]
Please don’t use that term around someone who thinks they look fat in that condition. His stomach is not “nloated”. His stomach wall is weak because he has built no abdominal strength at all and has dieted away any sign of muscle on his body.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Skinny-fat: The condition of having very little muscle mass while simultaneously retaining a high bodyfat%
This guy is skinny-fat because he hasn’t even got visible abs. He is a notch below the marathon-runner types who are very small but at least have visible definition. It’s the absolute worst condition for a bodybuilder. He knows it and is being honest with himself. No need for mind altering drugs.
You can’t see his abs because they aren’t developed, not because he has a layer of fat covering them. Are you even looking at these pics?[/quote]
Most real skinny guys sport some definition, developed abs or not. And I thought the general consensus about abs on this board was, “all you have to do is diet down and you’ll be able to see them”. Well, that doesn’t apply to this guy.
[quote]t-ha wrote:
Holy shit!! Usually when Prof X says he’s actually ‘scared’ of the mentality of people who are lean and still want to cut I think ‘yeah yeah he’s right, if a little melodramatic’.
When I saw the title “skinny-fat” and then saw these pics I actually became genuinely scared. I mean the mentality where this guy would describe himeself as skinny-fat is frightening and the fact that anyone agreed with him is ridiculous & scary. Quite simply, if you think this guy needs to lose fat, you should join a pro-ana site.[/quote]
When did I say he needed to lose fat? I’ll save you the trouble of looking: I didn’t say that. Nevertheless, the fact remains that he IS “skinny-fat”. He is almost a perfect example of that condition.
Skinny-fat is real. It is a recognized condition in the bodybuilding community. Go type in into Google and have a look for yourself.
Skinny guys usually have the benefit of being lean. This guy doesn’t. That’s the difference. That’s what makes “skinny-fat”.
Don’t blow your stack, it’s not an endorsement for him to cut. It’s just a statement of FACT about his present condition. He IS holding a high percentage of BF%. Probably 15 or greater. I came from this same situation and I know how to correct it. He does actually need to lose fat, but he needs to gain muscle as well. Therefore, what he needs is body recomposition. He needs to alter the ratio of LBM and BF in his body in favor of LBM. He can do this by eating a very clean diet and a minor surplus of calories. An “ugly bulk” probably wouldn’t hurt him, but the best results would be achieved through a strict body recomp program, which would allow him to put on lean mass while burning fat at the same time.
Nominal I have a couple of problems with what you’re saying/implying.
1] that he’s 15% BF - he isn’t, he’s lower.
2] that there’s something wrong with being 15% BF - it’s a perfectly reasonable bodyfat to have.
3] that he needs to lose fat - even if you’re right and he is 15% BF at 130lbs, thta means he’s got 19.5lbs of fat on his frame. If he gained to 150lbs that would be 13%BF, and at 180lbs it would be slightly over 10%. On top of that, the simple fact is that he is NOT 15% to begin with. What he needs to do is concentrate entirely on building himself up, not worry about body recomposition.