I think we are talking about two different things. The premise of the OP, which is what I’m responding to, is that women are solely responsible for being single mothers, specifically because they did not read a mind. This is what I disagree with.
We are saying the same thing here. And I disagree that women should 100% own choice. Objectively, parenthood is a 2 person outcome. Letting one decide for both is skewed at best. My personal slant is that abortion is bad and I would be livid if a woman killed my child, planned or otherwise.
You’re posting from a lense that commitment automatically and exclusively refers to marriage. My point is that when a baby is made, it took two. And in most cases, men leave the scenario. At least as a presence. Maybe they’re on the hook financially (and should be) maybe they’re gone and can’t be located. In any case, the woman was abandoned in this scenario. This happens even if a marriage exists, too.
I will concede that in the event of a divorce women tend to have an unfair upper hand in pulling the man’s finances and retaining primary custody in many cases, which is bullshit. And I would circle back to it taking two again. Especially now that they can be self sufficient. The whole pampered and cared for thing is, or at least should be dead. Apply the equality they fought so hard for, but this is a tangent.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here…are you suggesting that I’m 50-75% likely to be telling the truth or accurately recalling the conversation, or…? The context was a conversation about getting laid. PUA stuff was big on the boards at that time with Orion and Angry Chicken fairly dominant personalities. Lot of advice-seeking about “closing” and such.
Ah. I certainly wouldn’t quote him all these years later, but the gist of it is accurate. I will say that he liked to be provocative, so this may have been that. I think it might have been in the context of a blowjob that he’d say it, to get the girls wound up. By and large I liked him, but I would not have liked to be a girl who thought she could trust him.
These boards have provided me what I consider to be a priceless education into men’s thoughts, beliefs, and motives.
Upon examination, I found most of these in me were influenced too heavily by thoughts not generating from within. Taking a step back and focusing on what kind of person I want to be has helped me break free of some of the ‘red pill’ (for lack of a better term) type stuff.
Also, examining my religious beliefs and talking through how my wife was brought up (very Southern Baptist), I have noticed how much a large portion of men do try to control the opposite sex (not to mention a whole host of other kinds of people/actions when it comes to the more puritanically bent aspects of US society).
Arrogance is also a major negative for men, and most of us have more of it than we want to admit.
While I don’t remember this specific post I can, with a good bit of authority, say that love was likely never his tactic. From what I remember.
“Sweet talking” sure, and maybe a touch of leading on. “I love how you do that”, “I love that you like sucking cock so enthusiastically” et cetera. It would’ve been about the scenario though, not love itself. That’s how you create a crazy train of events I believe he would’ve wanted to avoid at the time.
For the record, this was all pre “redpill” bullshit. Apps didn’t exist and “pua” wasn’t coined yet, or was brand new but relegated to fucking weirdos who couldn’t go get a blowjob.
In any case if women can be sex forward or at least open in trying to claim a mate, men will slip in there. No pun intended. And circling back to the OP, this can present a problem where a woman is left with a product of consequence created by two. Nevermind the natural urge of libido itself. Maybe less of an issue now, at least from a legal and financial standpoint, but back when you could give a fake name and phone number for a night of fun (which was a two-way street) and you were gone for sure.
Women were also very scandalous creatures in their own lanes. Could be. Some of them, of course.
But, staying within the context of this thread, laying all the responsibility of pregnancy on women is just dumb. From a purely logical standpoint.
I find it hard to believe given the statistics and percentages listed that both of the brothers are truly trans. It’s not out of the realm of possibility obviously, but seems highly suspect in this case. Anyhoo, that’s off topic for this thread.
I think more men need to think a little bit more clearly, stop listening to the insane voices on either end of the crazy spectrum that get pushed via Social Media algorithms and go converse with some real people.
Example of extreme opinion being the loudest:
As a dad I can firmly say Bluey is the best kids show by far. A small subset of people (mainly military families) got mad at the show and lambasted the whole thing because the last few episodes were gearing up for the family to make a big move do to the dad’s job change, then at the last minute the dad deciding not leave just for the sake of money. The people lambasting the show said that’s not reality for everybody. My first thought (and my wife’s) was “The show doesn’t have to cater to everybody”. It would be that military family’s job to teach the kids that not everyone has the option to not move. My point here is that media has become this thing that many believe should cater to the broadest audience possible and not ruffle any feathers. Entertainment would be stupidly boring if it was all like that.
Like most Marxists, he takes an ahistorical approach and is guilty of the same dehumanization he accused others of. He has been proven wrong as South Africa didn’t abandon apartheid because of a violent revolution but political pressure from within and from the outside. He was also proven wrong when it comes to the aftermath as SA is a shit hole.
Do both men and women have equal say in keeping or aborting the child?
Do you think the majority of these cases are women being mislead by men? If so, it would sound that these women are gullible. Is that what one could reasonably assume the insinuation is here?
