Makes Nick’s Cannon look like Mcdonalds straw shooting spitballs.
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It isn’t inaccurate. All of the institutions and traditions feminists and progressives more broadly have worked so hard to tear down were constructed to channel our passions into productive things, like building stuff and raising families.
The whole story of why we aren’t extinct or living like savages is due to men and women both wishing to provide a better future for their families and both doing what it takes to make it happen.
Now that we’ve bucked that trend in the last few decades and made life a lot more difficult than it needs to be for our kids, it is time to re-examine what led us here.
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You are a good father and husband.
I am a good father and husband.
@BrickHead is a good father and husband.
@twojarslave is a great father to a son that isn’t even biologically his. His morals are stronger than his own biological imperatives (stronger than mine for sure).
I think if you lined up 100 fathers/husbands and ask them if they’d die for their kids and or wives, they’d nearly all say yes.
That sounds a lot like benevolence to me.
If you’re going to lump a few extreme opposites into the group, then castrate the rest of us because of the actions of those like Atila or whatever asshole came up with Prima Nocta, then you’re the kind of girl that would choose the bear.
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That plays a part, but that is definitely not the sole motive for the entirety of civilization.
The sole motive of civilization is survival
When my town was getting shot up at multiple locations last year and my son was getting locked down by cowardly managers at his place of work, I didn’t hesitate for a moment to grab my AR-15 and park myself in that lot until they let him out of work
None of us knew what was going on or if more businesses were going to be hit. Luckily his manager let him out after 20 minutes of watching me sit in my parked car guarding his fucking business for him while they did nothing but follow corporate procedure.
100 percent would eat a bullet for him without giving it a second thought.
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Actually no. The point is safety, creativity, prosperity, invention, high trust, higher thinking, and prosperity. Animals and primitive tribes survive.
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Im saying look at it in totality, otherwise you’re just telling fairy tails. Whimsical brain taffy based on emotions, if you will.
And prima nocta is an interesting element.
Seems to have woven through the vast majority of world history.
Maybe wiki is wrong and it’s all just revisionist history though.
Could have fooled me, why do I live in business disguised as a country.
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I should add the above are impossible without high-investment parenting. There are no high-trust polygamous societies. They are primitive and barbaric and actually do require over-the-top restraints on women (eg, niqabs, burquas, foot binding).
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If my daughter in the future says to me, “I want a guy with an edge, (a hawt guy)” I will think to myself, “I went wrong somewhere,” and then say, “OK, we’re gonna have a serious talk”.
A huge problem is daughters in the West are no longer educated on and trained for marriage. Neither are men! Did any man here ever get a formal lecture on women and what marriage is, what’s supposed to be a legally enforced contract to first and foremost establish fatherhood. I wasn’t told that—ever!
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I am.
We went from a species where murder rape was the norm, into a society with laws in which these two acts are punished the harshest.
We went from a species where a males best chance at reproducing was to murder the alpha, into a species with husbands and wives.
Strong men did this out of whose benefit?
You can dig your heels in as deep as you want, I’ll die on the hill of men being ultimately benevolent.
If you dont believe this, then that’s a you problem.
Your status as a husband and father speak to your belevolence.
Sorry. I thought we were having a serious conversation.
Ok.
Try this paradigm on for size.
All great empires and societies throughout history have been built for the edification of God or Gods.
When man is no longer acting in the service of his god, he is acting in service of self. And that never goes very far.
I got to witness a subpar example of marriage from my childhood up to now. Not the absolute worst example in the world…but bad for a child.
Now that me and my siblings are older, it seems like my parents relationship got better…idk why…maybe the satisfaction of us being grown up did that maybe.
I got more out of a book by Coach Corey Wayne than my parents own marriage.
It’s crazy how if a child witnesses a healthy marriage from childhood, they can have healthy relationships on command…it comes natural to them.
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I was conversing with a good friend of mine who is a decade older than me, a multi-lingual Ivy League philosophy major, feminist and former Democrat party activist and grant writer. The subject was violence in our local public schools and what can be done about it. She was curious to hear my opinion as someone who had done bar security.
Aside from adopting a normal state’s use of force policy for education workers, I gave her the following take, expecting some disagreement.
When people decide that there’s too many problems with how strong men handle these situations, which Maine has in many meaningful ways, it had better get used to how weak men handle these situations.
In a separate exchange, I suggested that Maine is suffering from low testosterone.
She agreed 100 percent. We can still flip 'em, boys.
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You make a paradigm that i don’t believe is accurate, then force me into a binary choice?
I thought you were trying to be serious.
Next time, champ
Ok. But mine has a massive historical bank of support.
Yours is based on something you’d like to believe at the expense of a massive bank of historical support.
Im not saying you have to believe in god, im just saying look at history’s great societies and empires.
For some time in the Soviet Union, people could get no-fault divorces without informing their partners. Haha! Mega ghosting! 
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Writing about my multi-lingual friend (who speaks fluent Japanese) reminded me to revise my earlier statement.
We’re not the weirdest. We’re the second weirdest.
The Japanese are just like everyone else, only more so.
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@BrickHead That was a good movie. I was hoping Telly would have been stopped in time towards the end, but I guess not.
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