here is the eternal debate about weights vs bodyweight…This anoying ass at work is a bodyweights fanatic…he doesnt shut up about a person who does bodyweight stuff (pushups,pullups etc) will be bigger and stronger than a guy who only lifts weights…Now i know that this isn’t the case, but what can i say to shut him up??anyone got any smart facts?
I know i could just shove my fists down his throat but i would end up getting fired
I had an obese coworker today tell me that my packet of splenda in my green tea was going to kill me…all while she microwaved her tv dinner for lunch.
She also said that people should drink a 2-liter of coke rather than a 2-liter of diet coke. She didn’t seem to comprehend the idea of water.
He is using bodyweight and can only change the loading points and angles of the exercises.
You can do the same stuff, but with weights added.
So how does the fact that he doesn’t add weights always make his style of training stronger??
Ask him to take a good look at himself… I’m assuming here you are bigger/stronger =).
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
He is using bodyweight and can only change the loading points and angles of the exercises.
You can do the same stuff, but with weights added.
So how does the fact that he doesn’t add weights always make his style of training stronger??[/quote]
I agree. One of the most basic ideas of resistance training is progressive overload, lifting heavier and heavier stuff over time. I realize that it is much more complicated than that, but essentially, you lift heavier stuff to get stronger.
How can you get stronger if your load never changes? Again, yes, there is much more to it than just that, but maybe that can help you with your debate.
just agree with him or forget about it. you’re not gonna convince him
[quote]AlexD wrote:
Ask him to take a good look at himself… I’m assuming here you are bigger/stronger =).[/quote]
I’m assuming he’s not, otherwise OP would just have to point to himself and the argument is over. Either you are bigger than him and he won’t see reason, or you’re not and he has a point in his specific case.
ask him to name some guys who got hyoooge through bodyweight stuff only. and then crush him by naming powerlifters, olympic lifters, bodybuilders, strongmen, and highland games athletes. I bet you could come up with 100 names for every 1 he could come up with, and that is if he can come up with at least one.
the best he could do is name olympic gymnasts, and while those guys are built strong and lean, then aren’t hyooge by just about any standard of what is a big guy.
EDIT: you’d also want to come to an agreement on what constitues a big guy. like is 5’10 185lbs 10% bf what he thinks a big guy is? or are we talking the same height/bf, but 235+lbs?
How can he say someone who does bodyweight exercises is stronger than someone who lifts weights considering the load of bodyweight exercises basically never changes? Just show him videos of Ronnie, Jay, etc. lifting weights and if he has 2 brain cells to rub together he should shut up. If not, listen to his argument, laugh, and ignore him.
[quote]grandin11 wrote:
How can he say someone who does bodyweight exercises is stronger than someone who lifts weights considering the load of bodyweight exercises basically never changes? Just show him videos of Ronnie, Jay, etc. lifting weights and if he has 2 brain cells to rub together he should shut up. If not, listen to his argument, laugh, and ignore him.[/quote]
Only problem is he will probably call steroids as the reason for their achievement. I would just let him believe what he wants.
Dealing with co-workers who feel the compelling desire to discuss nutrition or training with you is something I’ve had to deal with a lot. As much as I love training, I try not to discuss it in public, at work, or when I first meet people. Where I teach, there is this one gym teacher (and older fellow, very good shape I’ll point out) who is completely living in the past. Everything said to him, especially by students, ends up with a story about what he used to be able to do. Anyway, he knows that I compete, and always feel the need to discuss things with me. Eyeballing my bottle on Mag10 instantly causes a “looks like Isopure eh?” comment. When we have meetings, and there’s some little snacks put out, he must always make a big deal of pointing out how he separates his complex from simple carbs (even though no one ever asks -lol). The point is that I’ve found the best way to deal with him, (and he’s NOT a bad guy at all, I actually like the guy), is to just let him have his moment,and not engage in the conversation.
Walking into the building a while back:
Him:“Whfew,… I was up at 4am doing squats, and then still did my cardio!”
Me:" wow, I couldn’t do that."
And it just sort of ends with that -lol.
S
Your physique should end the argument for you. If it doesn’t, and you’ve been doing this for a while, you may need to reassess your training style/nutrition intake
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
I had an obese coworker today tell me that my packet of splenda in my green tea was going to kill me…all while she microwaved her tv dinner for lunch.
She also said that people should drink a 2-liter of coke rather than a 2-liter of diet coke. She didn’t seem to comprehend the idea of water.[/quote]
I had a coworker going on about the same thing w/ aspartame and an insulin response. He would rather drink regular coke. He also drinks a lot of soy milk and told me to try out spin classes. He might also get his hair cut at a salon, but I plugged my ears and started going ‘noonan noonan’ silently when he was talking about that.
Now, when someone asks me about diet or training I just smile and nod as I don’t want to get into it.
It stills blows my mind how many people just don’t get, and somehow I’m the oddball for wanting to be physically capable.
[quote]grandin11 wrote:
How can he say someone who does bodyweight exercises is stronger than someone who lifts weights considering the load of bodyweight exercises basically never changes? Just show him videos of Ronnie, Jay, etc. lifting weights and if he has 2 brain cells to rub together he should shut up. If not, listen to his argument, laugh, and ignore him.[/quote]
well, you can increase the load by either eating a ton and putting on weight, or by changing the leverages. Dominic Lacasse is a pretty elite gymnast, he’s 5’7" and about 160lbs. Every training video i’ve seen doesn’t show him lifting weights, he’s all bodyweight. But, sure, eugene sandow was 5’9 1/4", and weighed 202 lbs. These stats are from roughly the same age of each person.
And sandow wouldn’t be considered a “big guy” by today’s standards either. Obviously he didn’t use steroids, since they didn’t exist. Clearly, this guy who trained 100 years ago, is bigger than the guy who trains today with just bodyweight.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
The point is that I’ve found the best way to deal with him, (and he’s NOT a bad guy at all, I actually like the guy), is to just let him have his moment,and not engage in the conversation.
Walking into the building a while back:
Him:“Whfew,… I was up at 4am doing squats, and then still did my cardio!”
Me:" wow, I couldn’t do that."
And it just sort of ends with that -lol.
S[/quote]
This.
Most of the time, I can’t not argue with my co-workers, even if I agree with them. Your co-worker might be one of those people too. If he is, the best way to drive him nuts s to not be interested in his arguments, as if they’re not worthy or relevant or whatever …meh. ‘If you say so…’ 
I argued once with a co-worker who was knocking my 10k run times based on his idea that he could briskly walk 10k in 40 minutes and we argued a bit, did some math but he wouldn’t acknowledge that not having ran ever in his life more than 100 metres, he was talking out his ass. But he went for a brisk walk every day at lunch so I brought in my GPS watch for logging runs and strapped it to him before he went walking. He came back weezing and didn’t finish the distance. Hehe. He had a million excuses when he got back, but our whole department, who had witnessed our disagreement, had some entertainment going over his stats.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Your physique should end the argument for you. If it doesn’t, and you’ve been doing this for a while, you may need to reassess your training style/nutrition intake[/quote]
You would think that, but it doesn’t. I have literally had 300 lb. woman tell me that I eat “all wrong” and that I may look good now but I am going to get fat eventually. They go out of their way to tell me this. They are determined to convince me that everything I know is wrong and I should be following their “expert” advice.
When I point out the fact that they are morbidly obese, they get all huffy and try to argue that knowing something and living it are too different things. Then they start jabbering about Olympic athletes and their coaches and I just walk away at that point.
You would think that a fat, homely, wimpy, tub of goo would STFU about nutrition and training around someone who obviously is doing something right but that just doesn’t seem to happen in real life.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
just agree with him or forget about it. you’re not gonna convince him[/quote]
kick his ass, go to jail for assault, but be smug about it. you showed him, right?!
i know a guy who’s 20 and played football in high school. he’s about 6’ tall, but gettin kinda chunky. he seems to think this is healthy because he’s only a little bit heavier than his football weight…and since he’s still strong, that must mean he’s still in good-enough shape.
he also once bragged about how he was going to prove to me that “you can eat anything you want and still be in good shape. watch, i’ll show you”, but then never went to the gym enough to show me anything. i try to explain to him that his thought process is wrong-headed, but not being a trainer or nutritianist its kinda hard to make a complete argument for my case.
so i kinda just gave up on him…keep in mind, this is a very good friend of mine. but at a certain point, you just gotta focus on yourself and let your own progress do the talking. as i keep getting stronger and my body gets in better and better shape, he will keep on getting fatter and have a harder time breathing. although i will not be happy with his poor health, there is some sick satisfaction in knowing that i’m right…God i’m an asshole.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
Your physique should end the argument for you. If it doesn’t, and you’ve been doing this for a while, you may need to reassess your training style/nutrition intake[/quote]
You would think that, but it doesn’t. I have literally had 300 lb. woman tell me that I eat “all wrong” and that I may look good now but I am going to get fat eventually. They go out of their way to tell me this. They are determined to convince me that everything I know is wrong and I should be following their “expert” advice.
When I point out the fact that they are morbidly obese, they get all huffy and try to argue that knowing something and living it are too different things. Then they start jabbering about Olympic athletes and their coaches and I just walk away at that point.
You would think that a fat, homely, wimpy, tub of goo would STFU about nutrition and training around someone who obviously is doing something right but that just doesn’t seem to happen in real life. [/quote]
haha true…that really sucks that there is no convincing some people…I would just revert back to my now standard line of “Hows that workin for ya?”…it probably wont make any difference in their opinion, but is usually enough to make them feel bad about themselves and make me feel better about myself…haha
