I think the “software” they were using to determine their maximum natural potential might have been something like the tool here: www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=28
Calculates a Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) based on height, weight and BF%. Apparently 25 is basically an upper limit for anyone not on steroids. For the record, I think my FFMI is about 27-28 (I had to guess my BF%, but I tried to guess high), so I’m leaning towards this calculator having little merit.
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
AzCats wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
AllTraps wrote:
I can’t believe most of your comments. I mean this short documentary is to illustrate the "idiocy’ of the culture, how well marketing has brainwashed the youth, how little everyone is taught on proper nutrition, and how despite 60+ years of “physical education” in our schools the youth still know absolutely shit about training and exercise, let alone for reasons of size and strength.
The funniest thing is when you were 16 and first picked up a weight you probably ALL sounded like these naive young men. We ALL did. Just because we know more now should simply tell you that next time you see one of these one-egg-white wonders in a gym doing something you think they could do better …MAN UP…and teach them.
You learned somewhere down the line something better, teach it. Don’t be a critic.
How do you propose we teach the folks in the video?
You can’t teach them! You think these kids are actually going to listen to what the average bodybuilder or fitness guru has to say about nutrition and everything that has to do with building a better body? I have tried to approach kids like this and most of them just shrug and say “whatever man”. They pretty much think they know it all already. These kids are going to have to learn on there own through trial and error like most of us did. Yes, some will listen and learn much faster than others, but a majority of these kids think of themselves as invincible. Once they realize that working out 3hrs everyday doing bench and curls and spending hundreds of dollars on supplements doesn’t work, maybe then will they ask for help or guidance. I went through at least 10 boxes of Cybergenics and countless hrs in the gym before it hit me that most of these people that were trying to give me advice knew what they were talking about. You can only teach someone that wants to be taught, and most of these kids do not want to be taught.
I agree with what you’re saying. But mostly I was being a dick, because AllTraps said we shouldn’t criticize these people, we should help them. Well, these people are in a video so A) I don’t think they can hear our criticism, and B) I’m not going to track them down for an educational talk about not being an idiot.[/quote]
K, maybe I came on a little harsh. And I agree that most high school youth wouldn’t take good advice if it slapped them upside the head but they’ll worship the 195lb juice monkey down the block.
Aside from the obvious twits, I simply and honestly feel that in lack of proper education (unless you were so damn lucky as to have an actual strength coach for a gym teacher) in regards to weightlifting, nutrition and healthy self-image we could all do our part to help these young men. When you see one in a squat rack doing the hyperextenteded bicep curl with a 30lb bar, maybe it wouldn’t be so hard to go over and school him. He may not take kindly to it, but he’ll change, and quickly, even if only to save himself the embarassment next time.
There…nice enough way of saying it?
[quote]AllTraps wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
AzCats wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
AllTraps wrote:
I can’t believe most of your comments. I mean this short documentary is to illustrate the "idiocy’ of the culture, how well marketing has brainwashed the youth, how little everyone is taught on proper nutrition, and how despite 60+ years of “physical education” in our schools the youth still know absolutely shit about training and exercise, let alone for reasons of size and strength.
The funniest thing is when you were 16 and first picked up a weight you probably ALL sounded like these naive young men. We ALL did. Just because we know more now should simply tell you that next time you see one of these one-egg-white wonders in a gym doing something you think they could do better …MAN UP…and teach them.
You learned somewhere down the line something better, teach it. Don’t be a critic.
How do you propose we teach the folks in the video?
You can’t teach them! You think these kids are actually going to listen to what the average bodybuilder or fitness guru has to say about nutrition and everything that has to do with building a better body? I have tried to approach kids like this and most of them just shrug and say “whatever man”. They pretty much think they know it all already. These kids are going to have to learn on there own through trial and error like most of us did. Yes, some will listen and learn much faster than others, but a majority of these kids think of themselves as invincible. Once they realize that working out 3hrs everyday doing bench and curls and spending hundreds of dollars on supplements doesn’t work, maybe then will they ask for help or guidance. I went through at least 10 boxes of Cybergenics and countless hrs in the gym before it hit me that most of these people that were trying to give me advice knew what they were talking about. You can only teach someone that wants to be taught, and most of these kids do not want to be taught.
I agree with what you’re saying. But mostly I was being a dick, because AllTraps said we shouldn’t criticize these people, we should help them. Well, these people are in a video so A) I don’t think they can hear our criticism, and B) I’m not going to track them down for an educational talk about not being an idiot.
K, maybe I came on a little harsh. And I agree that most high school youth wouldn’t take good advice if it slapped them upside the head but they’ll worship the 195lb juice monkey down the block.
Aside from the obvious twits, I simply and honestly feel that in lack of proper education (unless you were so damn lucky as to have an actual strength coach for a gym teacher) in regards to weightlifting, nutrition and healthy self-image we could all do our part to help these young men. When you see one in a squat rack doing the hyperextenteded bicep curl with a 30lb bar, maybe it wouldn’t be so hard to go over and school him. He may not take kindly to it, but he’ll change, and quickly, even if only to save himself the embarassment next time.
There…nice enough way of saying it?[/quote]
I’m definitely in support of helping people out, I’m grateful for all the bigger guys who’ve given me advice.
That being said, I was making a joke in that we can’t give advice to the kids in the video, because they’re in a video. But, I do think we should help people if they ask for it. Or are doing something stupid in the gym that could hurt them.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I think the “software” they were using to determine their maximum natural potential might have been something like the tool here: www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=28
Calculates a Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) based on height, weight and BF%. Apparently 25 is basically an upper limit for anyone not on steroids. For the record, I think my FFMI is about 27-28 (I had to guess my BF%, but I tried to guess high), so I’m leaning towards this calculator having little merit.[/quote]
This thing is awesome!!! I’m at 11%bf right now and it’s telling me that based on my age, height and weight (BMI) that I can only gain 2% more FFM.
You know how badass I am that I weight 185 and I can only put on 2-5lbs more muscle mass MAX.
Sweet.
Who THE F makes this stupid shit? Way to perpetuate a stay skinny at all costs attitude.
Maybe the infamous supp company MT (yea you know who I’m talking about) could make one of these and tell me I have 130lbs to gain if use CTech, AHalo and CryoT along with the GKic, CKic, and HydroxyC. Yep, watch the little Indian dude whip out $750 in the next video.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I love the thug Paki-Canadians.
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You have NO idea. It’s beyond an epidemic here in Vancouver.
I’m hoping their obsessive desire to drink and drive lands them all in serious car crashes with a big fat telephone poll.
This video makes me so glad that I never started lifting in High School.
It also makes me glad that I learned by lurking these forums, not from people at my college gym.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
I think the “software” they were using to determine their maximum natural potential might have been something like the tool here: www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=28
Calculates a Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI) based on height, weight and BF%. Apparently 25 is basically an upper limit for anyone not on steroids. For the record, I think my FFMI is about 27-28 (I had to guess my BF%, but I tried to guess high), so I’m leaning towards this calculator having little merit.[/quote]
I was at 25.2 before I got swine and lost 10 lbs. And, I was nowhere close to where I want to be as I am only 16. What fucking bullshit.
this shit is retarded. anyone else noticed the dumb advice from that trainer lady?
That was the longest, funniest 22 minutes of my life.
The “software” they were using was pure crap! Throughout the rest of the film all i heard was blah blah blah, steroids are bad, blah blah blah protein and supplements are drugs, blah blah blahh. They could not have made a more anti-steroid film, even if they tried. The trainer must have smoked a little too much in her younger years, she probably still does. /rant
I just want to go up to these kids and beat the shit out of all of them.
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
DieselAllDay wrote:
Deadsion wrote:
anyone else think its funny that they’re working hard so they can get chicks, but the chicks really like personality more than a buff guy. its like they’re digging themselves deeper lol.
nah that’s b.s, working out gets you chicks 100%, I started working out in grade 9, at 135, hit 180 in mid grade 10, and in class i would pretend to stretch (like an overhead tricep press) to show off mA GUNZ, long story short, i got laid 1 month later cuz the chick “i wanted to get with you cuz you had big arms” BAM, gettin jacked gets you laid /end
Edit: although i do understand you’re point and the irony involved in the video, just had to brag for a minute
You should have been in the video
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Haha. Agreed.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
JLu wrote:
LMAO @ the kid who aspires to be 145-155 that talks about how to get big and strong by downing single egg yolks. That 4-6g of protein is sure to get you swole in no time.
To make it even worse, he’s drinking the egg raw, cutting the bio-availability roughly in half. So he’s actually getting 2-3 grams of protein. [/quote]
Wait so an egg doesnt have its full potential of protein until its cooked? I eat about 6 raw eggs with a glass of milk everymorning…if this is true then I reall yneed about 12 eggs. Please fill me in, I’m positive ive never heard that before.
[quote]Deadsion wrote:
anyone else think its funny that they’re working hard so they can get chicks, but the chicks really like personality more than a buff guy. its like they’re digging themselves deeper lol.
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chicks will also lie about everything. dont listen to what they say, listen to what they do.
[quote]Deorum wrote:
Deadsion wrote:
anyone else think its funny that they’re working hard so they can get chicks, but the chicks really like personality more than a buff guy. its like they’re digging themselves deeper lol.
chicks will also lie about everything. dont listen to what they say, listen to what they do.
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And those chicks shown in the video were ugly.
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
JLu wrote:
LMAO @ the kid who aspires to be 145-155 that talks about how to get big and strong by downing single egg yolks. That 4-6g of protein is sure to get you swole in no time.
To make it even worse, he’s drinking the egg raw, cutting the bio-availability roughly in half. So he’s actually getting 2-3 grams of protein.
Wait so an egg doesnt have its full potential of protein until its cooked? I eat about 6 raw eggs with a glass of milk everymorning…if this is true then I reall yneed about 12 eggs. Please fill me in, I’m positive ive never heard that before.[/quote]
From what I have heard on this board, one of the enzymes does not begin to work unless it is heated first, so not all the protein in the egg is digested.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
To make it even worse, he’s drinking the egg raw, cutting the bio-availability roughly in half. So he’s actually getting 2-3 grams of protein. [/quote]
Yep yep! Mmmm raw eggs!And you too can gross out potential friends by drinking raw eggs, taste the gag, who needs to cook food to denature the protein? If your smart enough to eat raw eggs whites then you dont need to!
SLAP IN THE FACE!
In between laughing my ass throughout the whole thing, I did think that home-made weight vest was a good idea LOL
i’ve focking lost hope in canada ~ average h.s. kid in america lifts much more ~ this video makes me irate.
Ahhh this is crap they dunno how to eat.
[quote]Deorum wrote:
chicks will also lie about everything. dont listen to what they say, listen to what they do.
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Amen