In a way you are basically arguing with yourself, so that might make you dumb.
Are you passionate about lifting weights? It seems you are since you decided to walk into an Olympic lifting facility and get an eye opener, good for you. While I haven’t really, I know exactly what you mean.
I owned all those Ironmind training hall tapes and worked everyday to focus on explosive lifting for the tried and true rep ranges as you describe.
But I was passionate about “lifting” I was not , nor had any interest in playing a sport. All those really good O lifters are also very very passionate about “lifting”. I’m sure some love to play some sports too and they most likely dominate because of thier lifting, but, but, but you can’t teach that passion for people who’s main passion isn’t “lifting”.
Most athletes love competition though, that’s why when it’s time for the college football powerclean 1-rep max, all those young men are fracking fired up, that’s when you see passion from them with weights,and what do you see, the shittiest form ever, from most of them.
Somewhat. It has always been a means to an end for me. Whether for the strength part of strength & conditioning, or performance in sports or work, and now for the recovery and maintenance of quality of life with heart failure, it is one of the means by which I’ve improved my lot in life.
I think here you’re probably getting faster at squatting the barbell/ implement, but that doesn’t necessarily have on-field transfer. That’s not a concern for you, because you’re not training for football, but it’s why we’ll see more utility in explosive movements for athletes.
Bottom line, I doubled my speed AND increased weight, the proof is in the pudding. I have not rested at all, I’ve trained every day, I even did tricep work till failure in the morning.
There is more than one way to do this stuff and they all work.
The 1-rep isn’t popular but it’s just another way.
I have nothing else to debate on. It is what it is and I will enjoy continuing my experiment.
I will however take the narcissist comment as a compliment. That comment is usually used by someone who feels threatened in way. Not that I’m trying to do anything like that at all, but people who don’t matter are never called that.
So my advice to the lean guy who called me that, you should wear your narcissism badge with pride, bro!
You might be on to something, I did feel threatened by your first post. I felt like the quality of this forum was threatened, and I am concerned for any beginners logging in for the first time only to see your dangerous form on the Jefferson lift (your hips shoot all the way up and you are grinding entirely with your lower back and zero hip control) and a truly moronic max effort pec fly that is begging for a pec tear (you see beginners, like you, do not necessarily understand the physics of lever arms and why this is stupidly dangerous).
I have a counter example. I called you a narcissist, and you don’t matter. None of us do. As much as you’re desperately trying to convince us all of your greatness, each and every thing you post makes you come across more and more pathetic and in dire need of some humility. You could really learn alot from this site, but I know your ego won’t allow that.
Fellas, here’s my take on sports strength coaching since the this was a topic in this thread. This is not a powerlifting coach opinion.
A strength coach should be a teacher to the athlete, the result of the athlete “learning” to train themselves.
The strength coach is not that unique athlete. Only each athlete and their unique abilities is what makes a stronger athlete and team. Only that athlete should learn to know what’s going to make them better really. This can be achieved by the teaching of the strength coach.
Now, this goes against my cookie cutter program, however that program can be a baseline.
This is why I say, teach them light hangcleans as warmups, then the athlete can decide if they need to utilize these more.
I personally know more than one strength coach that worked in professional sports. One of the best coaches I know once let go one of his clients because he felt that client had the skills and drive enough on his own. He told me his wife was not happy about that.
My long time training partner of 25years (we trained together in strongman every single weekend). We train together here and there still.
Well, he’s one of the best coaches I know, he has made a living in training alone for about 15years now.
We have never told each other what to do, we do our own thing, but we both bring our ideas from the lab to each other and try them out.
He’s much bigger than me, he’s always weighed around 250# at 6’1. I remember the day he first deadlifted 500, we were about age 23 and only been training hard for about 2years, he was working on his degree in exercise science, he used to tell me how he would question the teachers. He liked Arthur Jones style thinking and he was into designing machines himself.
He’s all about pushing it. He’s seen me do more crazier shit than that. Shit he’s done more crazier shit than that himself. Dude, after strongman contests there would always be an after party, that’s were you see people doing very odd lifts like pulling over logs in the neck bridge, bending horseshoes and railroad spikes.
When you say videos plural, the only one that seems risky is the fly attempt, he was happy I didn’t drop those york bells, you know that’s how they break and are used for door stops or blobs.
He himself has done around 405 in the zercher from the floor before.
He doesn’t have his clients doing that type of stuff, usually.
He’s a teacher, he teaches his clients kettlebells (he is a certified KB instructor) mobility other basic barbell things etc.
However his clients learn and they are free to test themselves in a variety of stuff if they wish. Pushing a new lift and PR is encouraged. For instance he has the 200+# kettlebell, he does not make people try to deadlift, but people themselves want to lift it and they makes attempts and do reps. He trains a large variety of people, teenagers, seniors, kettlebell enthusiasts, and just regular folks looking to be better. He also has strongman/women and powerlifting classes or training days and open house training days.
Why would an athlete, who either has the money to spend for a personal coach or is on a team that will provide a coach, want to train himself? Why would we think an athlete could even learn that?
Unique? Do you know what that means? Athletes have given attributes in common. Look at the finals of a 100 meters at the Olympics. The sprinters are not unique; they are all gifted with regard to fast twitch dominance.
I don’t think you have a clue about sports and athletes. Name a professional sport where athletes don’t have strength and/or conditioning coaches. Athletes are specialists at performing. Why would they waste time learning something that someone else has already learned?
And, in many cases, specialized coaches for technique, such as shooting (bball) coaches, hitting coaches (baseball), striking/wrestling coaches, etc. hell, sports psychology coaches are picking up momentum.
When I mentioned training with elite athletes, this was my experience. I trained at the main center near Nike. The athletes they listed here is not comprehensive, there were far bigger names at the time who chose not to be public. Was this a lot of marketing hype by Nike, ya definitely. But, it attracted top athletes and coaches to participate. I was just fortunate to be a good enough athlete to make the cut and live in the area.
. I’m just gonna leave that for posterity.
. Now what?