Why aren’t most of you guys doing front raises? Do you do those on chest day?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
right now…
lots of pressing
hit a 185x3 standing overhead press, pretty happy about that.[/quote]
Do you think training abdominals helps ? My seated Military Press is pulling away from my standing i seem to be getting “stuck” What else would you recommend to pull it back up ?
And thanks for all the answers so far, i’m putting them to use 
[quote]Artem wrote:
Why aren’t most of you guys doing front raises? Do you do those on chest day?[/quote]
because they suck.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Artem wrote:
Why aren’t most of you guys doing front raises? Do you do those on chest day?
because they suck.[/quote]
I doubt that considering many pros use them including ronnie and levrone…
most people don’t do them because their front delts get hit good enough with bench variations and overhead presses…
but if your front delts are lagging, then I would do them…I like the one arm at a time version with a bit of swing to it…
Started doing overhead presses after reading the recent article here on T-Nation. Had been doing seated presses due to the low ceiling in my basement home gym. Now doing them in my garage using an extra barbell set. Not a problem until I get to near 1xBW and need to lug 45s around.
I’m not a fan of lateral and front raises. My shoulders as well as other upper body parts, seem to grow better with the presses, pull-ups, chin-ups and dips.
[quote]SmallToBig wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
right now…
lots of pressing
hit a 185x3 standing overhead press, pretty happy about that.
Do you think training abdominals helps ? My seated Military Press is pulling away from my standing i seem to be getting “stuck” What else would you recommend to pull it back up ?
And thanks for all the answers so far, i’m putting them to use :)[/quote]
well i dont have a great answer because i didn’t work on my standing military per se.
i’ve actually only done standing military presses twice this year, both times being withen the last 2 weeks or so.
i have been doing some seated dumb bell presses for the last few months though and those definately help. i haven’t done any direct ab training in the last few months either. i think it all comes down to the basics: strong delts and strong triceps. thats how you can make your overheads better. oh and traps too
[quote]Artem wrote:
Why aren’t most of you guys doing front raises? Do you do those on chest day?[/quote]
i used to do them. i stopped because i think it was doing more harm than good to my shoulder joints.
the last i did for those was probably the 50’s x8 or something. but that was a while ago.
I’m also a fan of front raises, one of my strongest lifts too haha, I love 'em.
Standing military presses or seated DB press
3 sets of seated DB press 4-6 rep range heavy.
2 set standing military press 8-10 rep range
Upright row 6-8 rep range
front lat raise x10
side lat raise drop set 8,8,8
Do rear delts on back day
Shoulders and back are my best
Shoulders generally consists of the following
BB Press standing (DB millitary press alternating)
Upright Row
Leaning Lat Raises
Cable Front Raise
Dumbell rear raise
Each exercise consists of 3 - 4 work sets
I sometimes include rotater exercise as well
I’m desperately trying to keep mine from falling out. I truly hope all of you are doing pre-hab work…
If the overhead press were a woman, I would overcome all my fears of marriage, tie the knot, and fuck that bitch in all of her orifices for the rest of time.
So, those and band pull-aparts are pretty much my routine at the moment.
seated dumbell press 5x5
smith machine behind the neck press 4x6-8
overhead lockouts 4x6-8
standing one arm db press 5 x 6-8
standing calf machine neutral grip press 4 x 4-8
standing cable rear laterals or db rear laterals 4 x 5-10
lateral machine 3 x 8 - 25
some sort of shrugs - db/bb/or machine 4 x 8 - 30
If you want growth then go back to basics standing military press!!!
The best way to push max wieght and your shoulders to the limit, if you can deflect the pain barrier, start with military presses, on your last few sets press for reps then go into push presses. This is like a military press but with a slight modification. At the start of the movement bend ur knees and the explosivly straighten ur kness to get the the bar moving then press as normal.
To further movements snatches and cleans are great size builders aswell but if its symetry and proportion you want youl have to get some unilateral(single joint or limb) movements such as lateral raise, bentover raise, front raise, javelin raise and so on. DONT GET ME WRONG THESE MOVEMENTS WILL ALSO ADD SIZE TO YOU.
Example programme
Military press standing
Javelin press (Mesial and front head)
lateral raise(Medial Head)
bent over raise(anterior head)Very few people do this.
WHY NO DIRECT INTERIOR DELT MOVEMENT??? I hear you ask. On chest day you front delt takes a hammering weather you meant it or not, it does. So focus on the other heads on shoulder days to maintain proportion and less risk of injury in your taining. Saying that if you wish to add front raises then be me guest. Hope it helps.
[quote]david williams wrote:
If you want growth then go back to basics standing military press!!!
The best way to push max wieght and your shoulders to the limit, if you can deflect the pain barrier, start with military presses, on your last few sets press for reps then go into push presses. This is like a military press but with a slight modification. At the start of the movement bend ur knees and the explosivly straighten ur kness to get the the bar moving then press as normal.
To further movements snatches and cleans are great size builders aswell but if its symetry and proportion you want youl have to get some unilateral(single joint or limb) movements such as lateral raise, bentover raise, front raise, javelin raise and so on. DONT GET ME WRONG THESE MOVEMENTS WILL ALSO ADD SIZE TO YOU.
Example programme
Military press standing
Javelin press (Mesial and front head)
lateral raise(Medial Head)
bent over raise(anterior head)Very few people do this.
WHY NO DIRECT INTERIOR DELT MOVEMENT??? I hear you ask. On chest day you front delt takes a hammering weather you meant it or not, it does. So focus on the other heads on shoulder days to maintain proportion and less risk of injury in your taining. Saying that if you wish to add front raises then be me guest. Hope it helps.[/quote]
Get your anterior, medial and posterior delts right.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
military press 3 sets
front raise, 3-4 sets working down the line
rear delt raise, 3-4 sets
thats it. delts are small and dont need a shitload of work.[/quote]
delts do need a shitload of work. because of there slow twitch makeup high volume is needed to make them grow
Well, what I’m doing now is weird and really only intended to work around an individual problem, but who knows it might help someone else if their problem is similar.
My left shoulder doesn’t have any disastrous problems such as muscle tears or bone spurs, but pretty much every muscle connected to it is chronically tight and painful, and the capsule gets tight.
What I’ve done lately is to alternate between specializing on the chest for one “week” (not actually 7 days), and shoulder. Avoiding doing both in the same period. Bodyparts are done every other day in this program. So, the off “week” is still not much more than a week between doing the exercise again. Not a long layoff at all, scarcely more than what many routinely do between workouts for a bodypart.
The shoulder work has now been limited to nothing but plate raises (the gym has a little gizmo that makes it easy to add plates to a 45, or if one doesn’t have that, tying with a small towel works well), lying-sideways-on-a-bench-inclined-to-45-degrees lateral raises, lying-on-the-side rear delt flys, and seated-with-modest-recline Smith overhead presses, not going much below the chin. These seem to be non-aggravating exercises, though the lateral raises are a little painful.
That, combined with lots of stretching has helped a lot.
Oh yeah: and I have just started the Diesel Crew shoulder warmup routine, which someone – I regret I don’t remember who, but thank you! – recently posted. Haven’t been on it long enough to give worthwhile testimony, but it seems very promising.
[quote]Carnage wrote:
david williams wrote:
If you want growth then go back to basics standing military press!!!
The best way to push max wieght and your shoulders to the limit, if you can deflect the pain barrier, start with military presses, on your last few sets press for reps then go into push presses. This is like a military press but with a slight modification. At the start of the movement bend ur knees and the explosivly straighten ur kness to get the the bar moving then press as normal.
To further movements snatches and cleans are great size builders aswell but if its symetry and proportion you want youl have to get some unilateral(single joint or limb) movements such as lateral raise, bentover raise, front raise, javelin raise and so on. DONT GET ME WRONG THESE MOVEMENTS WILL ALSO ADD SIZE TO YOU.
Example programme
Military press standing
Javelin press (Mesial and front head)
lateral raise(Medial Head)
bent over raise(anterior head)Very few people do this.
WHY NO DIRECT INTERIOR DELT MOVEMENT??? I hear you ask. On chest day you front delt takes a hammering weather you meant it or not, it does. So focus on the other heads on shoulder days to maintain proportion and less risk of injury in your taining. Saying that if you wish to add front raises then be me guest. Hope it helps.
Get your anterior, medial and posterior delts right.
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my mistake typo, long night