Serious discussion here. If the point of a locker-room is that you can get changed with a minimal amount of leering, then wouldn’t it make sense to have different locker rooms? Of course it’d be unenforceable, but in theory it makes sense.
I’m only saying this because there are quite a few homosexuals at my gym. I have no problem with them. But every time I get changed I notice guys leering at me out of the corner of my eye, and when I look up, yup, sure enough.
They’re staring at my pen0r. It’s nothing special, it’s not like it looks like a 3rd leg or something, so I know it’s not that. one time these 2 gay guys were even having a conversation with each other, and when I turned around they had both been staring at my ass while I dried off. Do not want.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
Serious discussion here. If the point of a locker-room is that you can get changed with a minimal amount of leering, then wouldn’t it make sense to have different locker rooms? Of course it’d be unenforceable, but in theory it makes sense.
I’m only saying this because there are quite a few homosexuals at my gym. I have no problem with them. But every time I get changed I notice guys leering at me out of the corner of my eye, and when I look up, yup, sure enough.
They’re staring at my pen0r. It’s nothing special, it’s not like it looks like a 3rd leg or something, so I know it’s not that. one time these 2 gay guys were even having a conversation with each other, and when I turned around they had both been staring at my ass while I dried off. Do not want. [/quote]
I know a few gay guys, and understand that they aren’t “cock crazed deviants” that are in love with any naked man they see.
If a guy does like your body, take it as a compliment, explain you’re straight (if it comes to that), and move on.
I’ve been in mixed locker rooms in Sweden - Some of the guys in there may well have been gay or bi, some of the girls in there may well have been gay or bi, some of them will have been totally hetrosexual - Just like in any male/female separated locker rooms.
If somebody is checking you out, male or female, take it as a compliment and get on with whatever you are doing (as long as it’s not using the dryer to waft your balls with one foot on table so they dangle just right).
It’s a locker room. You go in to get changed/showered/cleaned up. Who gives a shit?
[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
Uh, yeah. I really don’t see the problem. Provided there is no innappropriate touching going on, no one was ever hurt by looks.
Think of it this way: I am sure every woman you have ever leered at was perfectly thrilled to have that happen. Hint: They’re not.[/quote]
I agree. Its really no different then checking out some female. Yea it makes you uncomfortable, and yea chicks get that feeling alot I imagine.
My friend was out with his girlfriend the other day and she said some dude was checking out his ass. He reckons he was going to punch him out yet he is the biggest perv I’ve seen. Pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.
[quote]Renton wrote:
I’ve been in mixed locker rooms in Sweden[/quote]
I’ve never hear of these, though I’m not suprised. Do people ever hook up in those situations? If anything, I’d think there would be a lot of creepers hanging around.
Frankly I could care less if a gay dude was checking me out. I actually find it flattering, as women are much more undercover when they check a dude out. However, I could understand where somebody is coming from where the idea of opposite sex change rooms prevent one sex from making the other sex uncomfortable. However if there were gay people in the men’s room, even if they weren’t making straight out moves, it might make a lot of people uncomfortable.
[quote]ktennies wrote:
Renton wrote:
I’ve been in mixed locker rooms in Sweden
I’ve never hear of these, though I’m not suprised. Do people ever hook up in those situations? If anything, I’d think there would be a lot of creepers hanging around.[/quote]
…there are creepers in any society, but when you’ve grown up in a society where nudity is normal, you’ll find less hang-ups and stupidity…
…when you go to a sauna, do you keep a bathing suite on?
[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
Uh, yeah. I really don’t see the problem. Provided there is no innappropriate touching going on, no one was ever hurt by looks.
Think of it this way: I am sure every woman you have ever leered at was perfectly thrilled to have that happen. Hint: They’re not.[/quote]
The problem is that in a locker room chances are you are nude.
Just saying.
I just go in, change, and get out. I don’t hang out in there waiting for hot guys to come in (yes, I’m gay). It’d also be impossible to enforce, too. Way too many closet cases running around. Also, what gym would spend that much money and floor space putting up new walls and whatnot?
And the alternative? having ‘sexual preference locker rooms’ like the gays and straight girls in one and the lesbians and straight guys in the other? Well, I’d bet on there being a huge influx of ‘gay’ dudes at the gym, so that’s pretty much out of the question.
So, like what’s already been said. Go in, do what you need to and get out. If a guy happens to check you out, take it as a compliment and move on. Don’t be one of those dbags that has his masculinity questioned because another guy looked at him and over compensate by beatin the crap out of the other guy.
Last I checked, checking someone out isn’t a crime punishable by a beating. If it was, I’m sure there’d be a lot more girls in martial arts classes and even more broken straight dudes out there, haha.
That’d be a horrible idea. Who cares, seriously. I wouldn’t care if it were a unisex locker room. It’s not like you’re spending a ton of unwarranted time walking around naked.
Lets cut the crap. What your talking about is discrimination based on sexual preference.
Why don’t you make a whites only change room?
or
Blacks only change room
or
Asian only change room
or
Christian only change room
or
KKK only change room
These all sound pretty horrible and wrong on so many levels.
Maybe what you want to do is read this section about your own sexuality identity. Before making the “gays” sit at the back of the bus cause you can’t handle your own self impulses.
Internalized homophobia
Internalized homophobia (or egodystonic homophobia) refers to homophobia as a prejudice carried by individuals against homosexual manifestations in themselves and others.[24] It causes severe discomfort with or disapproval of one’s own sexual orientation. Internalized homophobia is thus a form of cognitive dissonance; the individual cannot reconcile the conflicting conscious or unconscious sexual desires with values and tenets gained from society, religion or upbringing.
Such a situation may cause extreme repression of homosexual desires. In other cases, a conscious internal struggle may occur for some time, often pitting deeply held religious or social beliefs against strong sexual and emotional desires. This discordance often causes clinical depression, and the unusually high suicide rate among gay teenagers (up to 30 percent of non-heterosexual youth attempt suicide) has been attributed to this phenomenon.
The label of internalized homophobia is sometimes applied to conscious or unconscious behaviors which an observer feels the need to promote or conform to the expectations of heteronormativity or heterosexism. This can include extreme repression and denial coupled with forced outward displays of heteronormative behavior for the purpose of appearing or attempting to feel “normal” or “accepted”. This might also include less overt behavior like making assumptions about the gender of a person’s romantic partner, or about gender roles. Some also apply this label to LGBT persons who support “compromise” policies, such as those that find civil unions an acceptable alternative to same-sex marriage. Whether this is a tactical judgement call or the result of some kind of internal prejudice (whether in a cause-and-effect fashion, or definitionally) is a matter of some debate.
Some argue that some or most homophobes are repressed homosexuals, but this argument is somewhat controversial. In 1996, a controlled study of 64 heterosexual men (half claimed to be homophobic by experience and self-reported orientation) at the University of Georgia found that men who were found to be homophobic (as measured by the Index of Homophobia) were considerably more likely to experience more erectile responses when exposed to homoerotic images than non-homophobic men.
[edit] Fear of being identified as gay (social homophobia)
Theorists including Calvin Thomas and Judith Butler have suggested that homophobia can be rooted in an individual’s fear of being identified as gay.[29] At least one study indicates that homophobia in men is correlated with insecurity about masculinity.
They have argued that a person who expresses homophobic thoughts and feelings does so not only to communicate their beliefs about the class of gay people, but also to distance themselves from this class and its social status. Thus, by distancing themselves from gay people, they are reaffirming their role as a heterosexual in a heteronormative culture, thereby attempting to prevent themselves from being labelled and treated as a gay person.
This interpretation alludes to the idea that a person may posit violent opposition to “the Other” as a means of establishing their own identity as part of the majority and thus gaining social validation. This concept is also recurrent in interpretations of racism and xenophobia.
Nancy J. Chodorow states that homophobia can be viewed as a method of protection of male masculinity.
Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual’s own same-sex impulses, whether those impulses are imminent or merely hypothetical. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation.
Now since you read that you might want to start seeing a therapist about your own repressed homosexuality.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
gay people should have to wait outside. just report them as sexually harassing you cuz we all know if you made fun of a person for being gay inside a school everyone would be in court so fucking fast. i hate how minorities think they can do whatever the fuck they want just cause theyre protected by bureaucracy[/quote]
Actually, there aren’t any hate crime laws protecting gays on the federal level. Businesses can actually fire someone for it legally. Granted, the person who got fired can make a big stink about it and give the company bad press, but technically, we aren’t protected from it on the Federal level. Federal protection acts have been passed in the House (in 2007 I believe), but were shot down by former President Bush. It’s been left up to each state on whether or not to include the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered) community in their state’s hate crime laws, and only a few of them have.
We pay the same membership fees, thus should be able to keep the same rights as the other members regardless of sexuality. If someone was actually being inappropriate, then by all means, complain to the gym about it, but keeping the gays out of the locker room based purely on the fact that they’re gay is childish and shows one’s ignorance about the situation as a whole. If just their presence in the locker room bothers you, that’s on you, they’re being the person they were born as.
We’ve gone through the same arguement with race, at the fundamental level, it’s no different.
