I have a question that I really want to debate. Will taking a anabolic really have any side effects if taken for three weeks?
Let say you are a experienced bodybuilder, we will call him Bob. Bob absolutely has to lose 15 lbs of fat in three week and wants to keep as much muscle mass as possible in process. Bob has never taken steroids but is considering a light anabolic such as Winny or Anavar. He is very worried about his testosterone after the cycle and is wondering what he should do…
Here is my take on this situation. Bob knows that he will basically have to starve him self for three weeks. Like 1200 - 1000 calories a day if he wants to keep up with the goal of 15 lbs of pure fat. In most cases its been found that a caloric deficit that low will indefinitely lower your testosterone almost by 50% by the 1st 5 days.(Look at this article on testosterone and calories, The Effects of Diet on Testosterone Part 1: Calories and Protein)
Lets face it, testosterone is the limiting factor on muscle mass in a weight loss program or otherwise. So if Bob is going to lose his natural test anyway why not get on some anabolics? If he gets on a light steroid say Winny or Anavar in the hopes of keeping some size what�??s the problem? His nature testosterone cycle is going to be depressed either way and his body will think its from a sever caloric deficit and not the steroids. Once he starts eating again he should stop the juice cold turkey and let the increase in calories start up his nature testosterone again.
I want to hear your thoughts on this. Why this could or could not work? Has anyone tried this?
If you truly think a starvation diet is the secrets to your problems, you are going to end up not only disappointed but also fatter than you are now to be quite frank.
Starvation diets never work, because the body lowers the metabolism to allow you to contunue to operate on such a low amount of fuel.
It does that by ‘cannabilizing’ your own tissues, namely your organs and muscles.
Then when you finally begin to increase your calories, because of the above and because of a few other chemicals that are released during this time, you will store the now excess calories as fat.
Lose, Lose.
Anabolics wont help this idea. Especially not a weak one as winstrol or var.
This is a bad idea all around. Did you get fat in 3 weeks? So why do you expect to fix it in such a short timeframe?
[quote] Brook wrote:
If you truly think a starvation diet is the secrets to your problems, you are going to end up not only disappointed but also fatter than you are now to be quite frank.
Starvation diets never work, because the body lowers the metabolism to allow you to contunue to operate on such a low amount of fuel.
It does that by ‘cannabilizing’ your own tissues, namely your organs and muscles.
Then when you finally begin to increase your calories, because of the above and because of a few other chemicals that are released during this time, you will store the now excess calories as fat.
Lose, Lose.
Anabolics wont help this idea. Especially not a weak one as winstrol or var.
This is a bad idea all around. Did you get fat in 3 weeks? So why do you expect to fix it in such a short timeframe?
Sorry, i meant ‘Bob’.
JJ[/quote]
Bingo. OP, if losing 15 lbs of pure fat were possible within 3 weeks, even if it meant 3 weeks of torturous suffering, I’m sure almost everyone would have tried it by now. My cousin tried this diet and GAINED 50 lbs, and she still hasn’t lost it over half a decade later.
[quote]flex4486 wrote:
Here is my take on this situation. Bob knows that he will basically have to starve him self for three weeks. Like 1200 - 1000 calories a day if he wants to keep up with the goal of 15 lbs of pure fat.[/quote]
This will result is 15lbs of muscle and fat. Who told you that extreme calorie reduction results in pure fat loss?
So you are saying that it is test that determines how much muscle you lose on a caloric defecit. Fair enough, but when you drop to 1000kcals(which IIRC is the actual top end mark for a starvation diet) there are alot of other factors in play as to muscle loss… it is a physiological fact that the body will drop muscle. it needs to to survive.
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So if Bob is going to lose his natural test anyway why not get on some anabolics? If he gets on a light steroid say Winny or Anavar in the hopes of keeping some size what�??s the problem? His nature testosterone cycle is going to be depressed either way and his body will think its from a sever caloric deficit and not the steroids.[/quote]
You are saying you are going to be suppressed already so it wont matter - which WOULD be correct, except the fact it is not correct. The caloric defecit doesnt suppress the HPTA as in negative feedback loop suppression, it simply stops to produce the test and spermatoza etc because it needs the calories for more important tasks such as breathing or looking for food.
You will have lowered test levels but not a suppressed HPTA. So adding a steroid will only serve to suppress you when your were not suppressed. And as your endocrine function was slowed/decreased as it was, you will have a slightly more severe/acute suppression too IMO.
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Once he starts eating again he should stop the juice cold turkey and let the increase in calories start up his nature testosterone again.[/quote]
Wow! You really believe you have designed a new, extreme fat loss program that will work doncha?! When you stop the steroid, you MAY get a decent recovery as 3 weeks on var isnt likely to cause too much suppression in all honesty. However, this doesnt change the fact that when you begin to eat as normal, or increase the calories to close pre-diet levels, then you will store those calories immediately. This is a known factor in severely restricted diets.
[quote]justicex5 wrote:
I am taking 1cc of 200mg testosterone cypionate once a week. Is there any need to cycle at this dose or can I just keep taking it if no problems???[/quote]
Is there any need to start your own thread or should you just revive one that is a year old that has nothing at all to do with your topic at hand?
Hey Flex, if you want fast fat loss, do a serach for the Velocity diet.
Also do a search for short cycles. There is a Bill Robert’s “2 on 4 off” article on MesoRx. Tren Ace should probably be your primary AAS. It doesn’t aromatize so there isn’t much need for AIs.
It does shut you down pretty hard. Alot of people combine it with Test or HCG. The Test esters have a longer half life than Tren Ace which would make them less suitable for the short cycle. Also Tren is progestagenic while both Test and HCG will increase your estrogen so then you’re back into the AIs.
The Winstrol would stack well - it’s a type 2 (where Tren is type 1), doesn’t aromatize, good for cutting and is supposed to have anti-progestenic properties. Var isn’t bad either.
I’m not sure what the best PCT would be. ZMA and Tribulus would help. There is Clomid but it doesn’t actually stimulate LH directly. It blocks inhibition of the pituitary and hypothalamus by estrogen.
I don’t see where that would be an issue if you are shut down and taking non-aromatizing AAS. Screw it. Keep reading. And listen to JJ.
