“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
~George Orwell
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes. If that makes me a murderer then so be it. I will not sit idly by and wait for something to happen. If there are men in my back yards with guns I’m not going to wait for them to come into my house.
If there are people trying to attack the US I’m not going to wait for them to start. They have already declared intent, therefore we ARE defending our country. I don’t care what race or religion you are. You threaten me, my family, my country then feel free to call me a murderer!
Exactly. Well said.[/quote]
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
I would have to disagree that killing is always wrong. As Rand discussed, the initiation of force between rational men is wrong, however using force to defend against the initiation of force is perfectly acceptable.
[/quote]
[quote]JPCleary wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
~George Orwell[/quote]
@ JPCleary, ds1973, kheaslim, Jason Lee and others
Fact: Iraq did not, nor did it plan to or harbour people who did, attack you.
p.s.: dear mods, did you really BAN Orion for freely speaking out here on T-Nation?
[quote]Lackzoom wrote:
When I read the lates today, this really stood out for me;
Munley - a petite woman with a love of hunting, surfing and other outdoor sports - bolted from her car, yanked out her pistol and shot at Hasan. He turned on her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and Hasan went down with several bullet wounds, Medley said.
The above was said by Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at the base, speaking about the police officer who stopped Hasan. It is scary to think of how many more victims there could have been.
There have been lots of discussions about police on these forums and a lot of negative things said, but anytime there is an active shooter situation it’s police who are running towards the bullets instead of away. This officer is my new hero! I pray that I could be as brave as her if I am ever in that situation.
[/quote]
+1
[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes.[/quote]
Good point. While you’re off on the other side of the world killing wives and children who is here defending yours?
There is no such thing as “national defense”. Only self-defense. “National defense” is what they call it to trick simpletons into joining a hopeless cause.
Stay home and defend your own family because without them there is no “Nation”.
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PTSD is NOT treatable.
So no person who has ever received any sort of treatment for PTSD has improved?
[/quote]
Tick tock! How long before they quit taking their meds…?
How long before something really simple sets them off?
How many fucked up vets do you encounter on a given day that you might have to be cautious of?
tick tock…
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
I would have to disagree that killing is always wrong. As Rand discussed, the initiation of force between rational men is wrong, however using force to defend against the initiation of force is perfectly acceptable.
[/quote]
Self defense is not murder – but killing is still wrong.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes.
Good point. While you’re off on the other side of the world killing wives and children who is here defending yours?
There is no such thing as “national defense”. Only self-defense. “National defense” is what they call it to trick simpletons into joining a hopeless cause.
Stay home and defend your own family because without them there is no “Nation”.[/quote]
What’s the point? When they come to kill my family I can’t kill THEM. Because according to you…“Killing is wrong.”
[quote]JPCleary wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes.
Good point. While you’re off on the other side of the world killing wives and children who is here defending yours?
There is no such thing as “national defense”. Only self-defense. “National defense” is what they call it to trick simpletons into joining a hopeless cause.
Stay home and defend your own family because without them there is no “Nation”.
What’s the point? When they come to kill my family I can’t kill THEM. Because according to you…“Killing is wrong.”[/quote]
I am not saying you can’t I am saying it is wrong and you ultimately live with the consequences.
This is the same thing those soldiers are dealing with. On one hand they are trained to kill and taught that killing in the name of “defense” is good. But then when they actually have that opportunity to put a bullet in someone’s brain something chemically happens…call it conscience, your soul weeping, or whatever…it’s a fucked up feeling to carry with you for the rest of your life.
A person that has never had to pull the trigger cannot know this. A bomber pilot who does it from 25K feet never sees it and deals with it on a personal level like actual foot soldiers do.
And thankfully I never have to live with it but unfortunately I know too many that do.
Even if you think you can justify it it still “feels” wrong.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I must say that the last bit is not just you…I’m addressing you,but you’re not the only one guilty of that…as I have been myself. BUT when you take all YOUR specific feelings and chip on your shoulder to try and rationalize this situation,it makes it seem as if YOU don’t view these victims…as victims.[/quote]
I am not addressing the victims in any way. I am addressing the people who speak as if this incident – as horrible as it is to the victims and their families – happened on some alien planet where people don’t go fucking crazy and kill other people for irrational reasons.
The question I want answered – whether it is answerable or not – is whether or not this incident was preventable. If it could have been prevented what were the signs? What were the underlying causes?
As far as the victims and their families go, yes it sucks. You’re obviously much closer to the situation than many others and therefore more emotional about it.
I wish people would be as emotional for the innocent lives lost due to this fucked up war we are fighting as they are toward those at Ft. Hood. As I already pointed out, the further we are away from a situation the harder it becomes to empathize.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes.
Good point. While you’re off on the other side of the world killing wives and children who is here defending yours?
There is no such thing as “national defense”. Only self-defense. “National defense” is what they call it to trick simpletons into joining a hopeless cause.
Stay home and defend your own family because without them there is no “Nation”.[/quote]
We’re not over there targeting wives and children. We’re trying to stop the the fucktards with bombs strapped to their chest killing peoples wives and children. If I’m overseas my wife is home defending my children, my friends step up to make sure my family stays safe. We take care of each other. If I saw someone raping your wife I would stop them and possibly kill the fucker. I’m not going to think to myself, well if I help her who will take care of my wife. Killing is wrong but sometimes it’s a necessary evil.
National defense is not a trick. If it wasn’t for our military we wouldn’t have a country anymore.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes. If that makes me a murderer then so be it. I will not sit idly by and wait for something to happen. If there are men in my back yards with guns I’m not going to wait for them to come into my house.
If there are people trying to attack the US I’m not going to wait for them to start. They have already declared intent, therefore we ARE defending our country. I don’t care what race or religion you are. You threaten me, my family, my country then feel free to call me a murderer!
Exactly. Well said.
ds1973 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
I would have to disagree that killing is always wrong. As Rand discussed, the initiation of force between rational men is wrong, however using force to defend against the initiation of force is perfectly acceptable.
JPCleary wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
~George Orwell
@ JPCleary, ds1973, kheaslim, Jason Lee and others
Fact: Iraq did not, nor did it plan to or harbour people who did, attack you.
p.s.: dear mods, did you really BAN Orion for freely speaking out here on T-Nation? [/quote]
Fact: We are not at war with Iraq. We are at war with the extremist group that IS there because they are trying to attack us.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes. If that makes me a murderer then so be it. I will not sit idly by and wait for something to happen. If there are men in my back yards with guns I’m not going to wait for them to come into my house.
If there are people trying to attack the US I’m not going to wait for them to start. They have already declared intent, therefore we ARE defending our country. I don’t care what race or religion you are. You threaten me, my family, my country then feel free to call me a murderer!
Exactly. Well said.
ds1973 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
I would have to disagree that killing is always wrong. As Rand discussed, the initiation of force between rational men is wrong, however using force to defend against the initiation of force is perfectly acceptable.
JPCleary wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Killing is wrong.
“We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
~George Orwell
@ JPCleary, ds1973, kheaslim, Jason Lee and others
Fact: Iraq did not, nor did it plan to or harbour people who did, attack you.
p.s.: dear mods, did you really BAN Orion for freely speaking out here on T-Nation? [/quote]
No they did not, nobody ever tried to and those posts that got pulled deserved it more often than not.
They only deliver to Austria via FedEx now which is obviously an attempt to grind me down, given their Austrian subcontractors.
So there, Im opressed:
Should we really feel “sad” and grieve at the outcome of the events that transpired at Fort Hood and that transpire during war or any other incidents where human loss is involved?
We have no real personal connection to any of these people even if we knew them. Society has taught us to grieve immediately after any such incident but why can’t we grieve a week or even a month later. Grieving doesn’t change what happened and if its going to happen again, its just an emotional drain on ourselves.
We need to show our respect for the fallen and simply move on.
No they didn’t, I just discovered someone thought it was funny to mess with my computer. Guess I should install a password…
[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Jason Lee wrote:
Military men defend their country just like we defend our homes.
Good point. While you’re off on the other side of the world killing wives and children who is here defending yours?
There is no such thing as “national defense”. Only self-defense. “National defense” is what they call it to trick simpletons into joining a hopeless cause.
Stay home and defend your own family because without them there is no “Nation”.
We’re not over there targeting wives and children. We’re trying to stop the the fucktards with bombs strapped to their chest killing peoples wives and children. If I’m overseas my wife is home defending my children, my friends step up to make sure my family stays safe. We take care of each other. If I saw someone raping your wife I would stop them and possibly kill the fucker. I’m not going to think to myself, well if I help her who will take care of my wife. Killing is wrong but sometimes it’s a necessary evil.
National defense is not a trick. If it wasn’t for our military we wouldn’t have a country anymore. [/quote]
Your wife and children are your responsibility only. So while you are over there “accidentally” killing wives and children you are not doing your job here and you are leaving “this country” undefended.
You killing those fuctards doesn’t help anything because you just make more in the process.
thanks.
Any updates on this shooting?
I haven’t seen anything more in the news recently.
the shooter woke up today.
What a mind F! This guy planned on going out in a blaze of glory and get his 17 virgins and now wakes up in his hospital bed as the most hated person in the US! I hope they throw in solitary for the rest of his life, so he can think about what he did and relive the massacre over and over again.
I think there is something seriously wrong with the Muslim religion where the extremist think killing people is going to get them into heaven. Why don’t these Mofo’s try some passive resistance first?
Stop responding to LIFTY…dude is ingrained in his convictions. No point in wasting time arguing with him…trust me.
Anyways…here’s article about Hasan waking up:
http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/69567837.html
Also this stood out to me:
[i]ABC quoted two U.S. officials who have been briefed on classified information in the case as saying intelligence agency monitors intercepted Hasanâ??s attempt to communicate with suspected al Qaeda figures.
The network said it wasnâ??t clear whether the military had been advised of the attempts.[/i]
Apparently,there were so many red flags with this guy it’s ridiculous.
I’ve heard a report stating that Ft. Hood has the highest suicide rate of any base in the US - an average of 10 per month in the past year.