[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve heard a report stating that Ft. Hood has the highest suicide rate of any base in the US - an average of 10 per month in the past year.[/quote]
not sure on whether that’s true or not.
however, ft hood is the largest base in the us. so it will most likely have the highest of everything.
the ratio of suicide to troops is probably more relavent.
10 per month though? that seems pretty high
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I’ve heard a report stating that Ft. Hood has the highest suicide rate of any base in the US - an average of 10 per month in the past year.[/quote]
Actually,we have had 10 suicides this year. That must be a typo…or flawed info. 75 since 2003. We had a Specialist in a murder-suicide…with his Lieutenant September of last year. I believe we had another soldier murder-suicide around that same time.
Shit is real,of course I don’t live on base…but some of the shit that happens here is surreal. Soldiers car-jacking people…leading gay porn rings(yep)…lots of silly shit.
We usually don’t hear about this stuff until months later. They try to keep stuff like that within the gates…at least it seems that way.
Ft Hood is def. a shithole, I didn’t like it at all, it’s too damn hot, and Killeen fucking blows.
But I have heard that Ft Knox actually has the highest ratio of suicides.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Ft Hood is def. a shithole, I didn’t like it at all, it’s too damn hot, and Killeen fucking blows.
But I have heard that Ft Knox actually has the highest ratio of suicides.[/quote]
Well…I understand your sentiments about Killeen…it’s not for everybody ESPECIALLY non-Texans…lol.
Harker Heights is where it’s at now…there is definitely a big contrast between the two. I live on the outskirt of Killeen(off FM 2410 and Zephr). I refuse to live any further into Killeen again.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.[/quote]
Well this is just plain wrong and ignorant to say the least.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.
Well this is just plain wrong and ignorant to say the least. [/quote]
How so? How can you even compare the average Soldier to an individual working within a corporation?
The Army, for example, will take anyone. That’s no exaggeration.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Stop responding to LIFTY…dude is ingrained in his convictions. No point in wasting time arguing with him…trust me.
Anyways…here’s article about Hasan waking up:
http://www.kwtx.com/localnews/headlines/69567837.html
Also this stood out to me:
[i]ABC quoted two U.S. officials who have been briefed on classified information in the case as saying intelligence agency monitors intercepted Hasan�¢??s attempt to communicate with suspected al Qaeda figures.
The network said it wasn�¢??t clear whether the military had been advised of the attempts.[/i]
Apparently,there were so many red flags with this guy it’s ridiculous. [/quote]
Ug, I don’t want to believe it! fml…
edit: one thing I can say, is I dislike how “Allahu Akbar” brings such bad connotations in America… I’m not religious so I don’t say it often, but once in a blue moon it might happen and I wouldn’t be caught in public saying it just to avoid the ridiculous glares and accusations. Just saw it mentioned in the article, had me thinking.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.
Well this is just plain wrong and ignorant to say the least.
How so? How can you even compare the average Soldier to an individual working within a corporation?
The Army, for example, will take anyone. That’s no exaggeration.[/quote]
There are 18/19 year old “kids” that can build jet engines, operate advanced military systems, and everything in between.
Most folks out of college with a business degree can’t even work a copy machine.
It’s not even close
Edit: I never said they wouldn’t take anyone, which isn’t really true, but I was addressing the bottom half of the curve comment.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Ft Hood is def. a shithole, I didn’t like it at all, it’s too damn hot, and Killeen fucking blows.
But I have heard that Ft Knox actually has the highest ratio of suicides.[/quote]
Off topic but, I wonder how many suicides at Ft Knox are really “suicides”…
Someone accidentally gets too good of a look at something and has to be taken care of, in the best interest of National Security. 
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
There are 18/19 year old “kids” that can build jet engines, operate advanced military systems, and everything in between.
Most folks out of college with a business degree can’t even work a copy machine.
It’s not even close
Edit: I never said they wouldn’t take anyone, which isn’t really true, but I was addressing the bottom half of the curve comment. [/quote]
gah man, beat me to it.
bump.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.
Well this is just plain wrong and ignorant to say the least.
How so? How can you even compare the average Soldier to an individual working within a corporation?
The Army, for example, will take anyone. That’s no exaggeration.[/quote]
Yeah. It is an exaggeration. It’s your opinion.
Total Army recruiting mission = 161,000/year. Combined mission for Navy,USAF and USMC = 138,373.
FY 08 Regular Army Enlistee:
Male (83.6%)
Caucasian (70.1%)
African Am (13.1%)
Hispanic (12.1%)
API/Other (4.8%)
Married (21.6%)
Dependents (25.1%)
2 or fewer (67%)
Average Age: 22.3
Education: 12.2 yrs
Average AFQT: 58.0
Average GT: 105.8
Term: 3.8 yrs
HSDG (65.3%)
GED (24.1%)
Female (16.4%)
Caucasian (53.6%)
African Am (26.1%)
Hispanic (13.9%)
API/Other (6.4%)
Married (26.1%)
Dependents (27.5%)
2 or fewer (62%)
Average Age: 21.9
Education: 12.1 yrs
Average AFQT: 54.6
Average GT: 102.2
Term: 4.0 yrs
HSDG (71.7%)
GED (14.3%)
Average enlistment process starts with recruiters making 80-150 contacts resulting in about 17 appointments, out of 17 appointments only 9 appointments are conducted, an average of 2.3 will test, out of that 1.2 will qualify for enlistment, and only 1 will access.
Undeniably there are a shitload window-lickers in the Army that need to go away. I’d say get rid of 10% right off the bat, and the organization would run better immediately. My biggest concern isnt with the E1-E4, but rather the other end of the spectrum. IMO- maybe 4/10 General Officers Ive met were worth a shit.
Yea, go to Goose Creek, SC if you think the military only hires from the lower parts of Americans.
Although there are some Nuke School students who have trouble getting out of character when they roll play on the weekends…
Someone actually got bit by someone else in the smoke shack on the resort/Navy base that is NNPTC.
Nice memorial service, very emotional…
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Nice memorial service, very emotional…[/quote]
Indeed…
Check out this link for a copy of the shooter’s apparent business card. On it he has SoA(SWT) which means soldier of allah. Guy pretty much hands around cards saying he is a potential mass murderer and nobody pays any attention. If I were in your army I’d be worried.
[quote]Bunyip wrote:
Check out this link for a copy of the shooter’s apparent business card. On it he has SoA(SWT) which means soldier of allah. Guy pretty much hands around cards saying he is a potential mass murderer and nobody pays any attention. If I were in your army I’d be worried.
So if it said soldier of christ you’d be ok with it?
What a discussing animal this shooter is. He truly benefitted from growing up in this county. All the sucess he achieved until his rampage, he owed to the army. If you read any of the biographies of the people killed, it makes you want to cry. How in the world can a guy go through a phychiatric fellowship, and no one see that he was nuts.
[quote]DirtyM wrote:
Dustin wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.
Well this is just plain wrong and ignorant to say the least.
How so? How can you even compare the average Soldier to an individual working within a corporation?
The Army, for example, will take anyone. That’s no exaggeration.
Yeah. It is an exaggeration. It’s your opinion.
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To clarify, yes, certain MOSs require high ASVAB/GT scores or whatever, but there are plenty of MOSs that can get by with taking a bum off the street.
The goal of a corporation is to maximize profits. They hire the best and brightest individuals to do this. The military operates in a totally different manner in which “profit” isn’t even an issue.
To argue otherwise is retarded and I’m not going to spend the time to point out the obvious to you.
[quote]
Undeniably there are a shitload window-lickers in the Army that need to go away. I’d say get rid of 10% right off the bat, and the organization would run better immediately. My biggest concern isnt with the E1-E4, but rather the other end of the spectrum. IMO- maybe 4/10 General Officers Ive met were worth a shit. [/quote]
As I have said previously, it is very difficult to get rid of that 10%. In the “old Army” this wouldn’t be a problem, but now, the Army needs as many bullet catchers as it can get. It’s obvious that there has been a concentrated effort from the top down to ensure this happens.
As for General Officers, I don’t have much experience around them to even make an assessment. But considering that Officer promotions are essentially automatic up to Lieutenant Colonel, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of them were garbage.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
As for General Officers, I don’t have much experience around them to even make an assessment. But considering that Officer promotions are essentially automatic up to Lieutenant Colonel, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of them were garbage.[/quote]
actually you go before a board even for major.
but who really cares about 2nd and 1st LT’s anyways? the bump to cpt is really the only ‘freebie’ we get