[quote]samdan wrote:
What do I think about Jihad? I think Jihad as it is presented in the Qu’ran is a much different idea than the media presents. [/quote]
Well, that answers that. Aren’t we all sympathetic and understanding today?
Watch list, NSA. Watch list.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
I like how everyone sees his name and thinks its some Muslim jihad or something… the man was born and raised in America. I also feel horribly behind on main events, this is incredibly tragic… surprised my parents back in Austin didn’t tell me. [/quote]
That shows that its even worse than we imagine! Highly educated, grew up in America, yet in the end, his Muslim roots turn him into evil incarnate.
Hey, sounds a lot like Obama!!
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.[/quote]
QFT.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
force of one wrote:
lol this lady at work was talking about it out loud this afternoon. She said “yeah I just knew it had to be one of them crazy durka durka people”
I couldn’t help laughing. A lot of people did.
I know the lady that said it is an idiot, and what she said was very ignorant. But in a way I can also understand where she was coming from.
There is always a lot of disconnect between reality and what you hear in the media
Probably all that she knows about the world comes from watching the news, and going by that there does seem to be a disproportionately large amount of blood thirsty Muslims.
As a matter of fact it seems like the only time I aver hear the word “Muslim” it’s in connection with death and destruction. Is that all just a coincidence? Do Muslims deserve to be seen this way for some reason or is it just a fabrication to sell news papers?
So because of stuff like that I don’t blame people like headhunter and that tard lady at work. I don’t agree with them but I understand.
Today’s news channels are all biased to one party one way or another. FOX news had to release a statement that over 80% of its shows are NOT real news programs; they are independently owned broadcasts that report a particular view of events around the world.
You can’t deny that the mass media has the potential to shape people’s opinions. Hitler used radio broadcasts, newspapers, shoolchildren’s books to dehumanize jews and easily turned himself into no less than a God and the people of Germany into killers.
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true dat.
However I don’t seem to recall hearing about any Sufi market bombings or Buddhist IED’s killing our boys overseas. I googled “Bahai terrorist” but got nothing. hmmmm
I have heard that many non terrorist Muslims think that what terror groups do is right, and is supported by the Koran.
And then of course there’s the now classic and always underground film “Fitna”.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html
Like it or hate it, it does seem to make a strong case. Muslims, liberals, and terrorism apologists have tried to keep this film from being seen and distributed since it came out.
One day about a year back I brought this up on Myspace and someone suggested that I should read the Koran and learn “t3h tr00th”. But I don’t think I will. I won’t read that or anything like it.
I’m an Atheist. See that? I get a get-out-of-hating-and-killing-free card. good deal
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MusselQuest wrote:
I picked up the school paper at my college this morning after learning yesterday afternoon. The headline on the page reads as follows: “Alumnus suspected in Fort Hood shooting”
Another shooter from Tech, this time a full grown adult, 39. It’s becoming increasingly sad and ridiculous around here. I was also surprised to hear that Ft. Hood and not Ft. Jackson is the largest Army base in the country. I just hope closure is brought to Central Texas area quick. You’re in my prayers.
It may be the biggest Army base but I don’t believe it is the largest MILITARY base in the country.
It always been touted as being the largest. It’s definitely huge. I do know that it is the largest active-duty,fully armored base in U.S.
I always thought Eglin AFB was the largest.[/quote]
Ft Hood proper is pretty big. To house 1st Cav, 4th ID, 3rd ACR, 13th CSC and all of the non-divisional units…plus all the family housing area…it’s big.
But it’s the maneuver area at Hood that makes it so massive. Once you get outside the cattle guards it’s expansive. With all those HBCTs they need that kind of training area.
It seems hard to imagine that any AFB would need as much square mileage as the entire Ft. Hood complex…but I don’t know a thing about Eglin.
So I went to go educate myself on Eglin AFB and found out it is definitely bigger than Ft. Hood.
At 724 square miles it is more than double Ft. Hood’s 339 square miles.
[quote]roybot wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.
QFT.
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That is not true-
They could invade you country, destroy your cities and economy and kill your wives and children.
How would that make you feel?
[quote]orion wrote:
roybot wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.
QFT.
That is not true-
They could invade you country, destroy your cities and economy and kill your wives and children.
How would that make you feel?
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OMG this is about to get fuckin retarded.
I like how the discussion devolved into an argument about which military base is biggest.
Wow, way to wade through all the BS and cut right to the heart of the matter, guys.
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
orion wrote:
roybot wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.
QFT.
That is not true-
They could invade you country, destroy your cities and economy and kill your wives and children.
How would that make you feel?
OMG this is about to get fuckin retarded. [/quote]
Well, that is what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan and that was his point.
The majority of deaths over there were not those people who would even pick up a weapon to fight and yet, now their remaining kin have a reason to.
[quote]JPCleary wrote:
So I went to go educate myself on Eglin AFB and found out it is definitely bigger than Ft. Hood.
At 724 square miles it is more than double Ft. Hood’s 339 square miles.[/quote]
I spent several years there. I actually already knew it was bigger. It just surprised me that so many were convinced about Fort Hood.
[quote]orion wrote:
roybot wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.
QFT.
That is not true-
They could invade you country, destroy your cities and economy and kill your wives and children.
How would that make you feel?
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You totally, totally missed the point. The media have already jumped on this and will have a field day with the idea that Muslim extremists have now ‘infiltrated’ the U.S. army.
Nidal Malik Hasan may well turn out to be the Islamic fundamentalist he is being depicted as, but that doesn’t mean every single Muslim on the planet is carrying a bomb under their jacket “just in case”.
This incident will inevitably have repercussions for perfectly innocent Muslims in the services… and make no mistake, there is such a thing as an innocent Muslim.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I like how the discussion devolved into an argument about which military base is biggest.
Wow, way to wade through all the BS and cut right to the heart of the matter, guys.[/quote]
I hate that this happened but it does not surprise me. I am more surprised that we obviously recruit an amazing amount of upstanding soldiers for things like this to be relatively rare in the first place.
No one is downplaying the significance at all, however, jumping in just to say, “that’s horrible” again isn’t doing anything either.
The heart of the matter is already visible at first sight. This will allow those who hated certain cultures to voice those opinions more freely. It will not change too many points of view at the core though.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
orion wrote:
roybot wrote:
That One Guy wrote:
This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States.
QFT.
That is not true-
They could invade you country, destroy your cities and economy and kill your wives and children.
How would that make you feel?
OMG this is about to get fuckin retarded.
Well, that is what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan and that was his point.
The majority of deaths over there were not those people who would even pick up a weapon to fight and yet, now their remaining kin have a reason to.[/quote]
I KNOW that was his point, which is the reason I said this discussion, which is supposed to be about the unfortunate shooting at Ft Hood is about to get fuckin retarded. This isn’t about whether or not we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, or whether or not these poor poor ppl have a right to be upset here in America.
Whether he is Jihad, or just some fucked up inivisual has nothing to do with “invading” a country.
[quote]kheaslim wrote:
Whether he is Jihad, or just some fucked up inivisual has nothing to do with “invading” a country.
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So Muslims actually invading and doing those things would NOT be WAY worse than this shooting for “perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States” – because I think you are crazy if you think that.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
kheaslim wrote:
Whether he is Jihad, or just some fucked up inivisual has nothing to do with “invading” a country.
So Muslims actually invading and doing those things would NOT be WAY worse than this shooting for “perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States” – because I think you are crazy if you think that.[/quote]
That One Guys’s statement was very specific: "This is the worst thing that could have happened as far as perpetuating anti-Islamic prejudices in the States".
Pay particular attention to the last part. It made absolutely no claim that the shooting (as tragic as it is) would be worse than a full-blown invasion. That was not the point at all.
[quote]roybot wrote:
Nidal Malik Hasan may well turn out to be the Islamic fundamentalist he is being depicted as, but that doesn’t mean every single Muslim on the planet is carrying a bomb under their jacket “just in case”.[/quote]
Some people have a predilection for this kind of violent behavior. Religion provides them with an outlet to exhibit this behavior. Other people use race, abortion, the environment, etc.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I like how the discussion devolved into an argument about which military base is biggest.
Wow, way to wade through all the BS and cut right to the heart of the matter, guys.[/quote]
First,nobody is arguing. Second,enlighten us as to what the heart of the matter is…that hasn’t or is currently being discussed.
Just because the “discussion” isn’t staying on the path you feel it needs to be doesn’t make anything discussed about Fort Hood any less relevant to this thread.
Besides,your comments and undertones here(and evident in PRCal’s thread) about soldier’s being nothing but murder’s and killing innocent Muslims,etc are devolving this thread.
I wouldn’t want anyone to think you are justifying and sympathizing with extremist Muslims…and even worse,the shooter in this incident. OR that you don’t feel for the victims in this because you feel soldier’s are not innocent to begin with. Afterall,you do say they are murderers,right?
So,please…don’t give us your BS.
[quote]leaftye wrote:
roybot wrote:
Nidal Malik Hasan may well turn out to be the Islamic fundamentalist he is being depicted as, but that doesn’t mean every single Muslim on the planet is carrying a bomb under their jacket “just in case”.
Some people have a predilection for this kind of violent behavior. Religion provides them with an outlet to exhibit this behavior. Other people use race, abortion, the environment, etc.[/quote]
I agree. But most people don’t look at it with that depth of understanding. Most will automatically label Hasan as a religious crackpot. They’ll maintain that his actions are a product of his faith and ignore the fact that he may just be a bad apple. Some will do it out of ignorance and paranoia; some will do it to further a personal agenda.
Either way, they will not wait until all the facts are at hand and then try to form an opinion.
[quote]roybot wrote:
Either way, they will not wait until all the facts are at hand and then try to form an opinion.
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That doesn’t exist anymore in our society…lol. But in our current atmosphere,waiting on all the facts is asking a lot of people considering what is known.
I pretty much jumped to conclusions myself…but as more and more is becoming fact…I haven’t quite made my mind up about Hasan. But the pendulum does swing further one way more than the other.