[quote]DirtyM wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Major Malik Nadal Hasan…wow. What a fucking coincidence. This was definitely no “beserk” incident.
Probably a West Pointer…
Just kidding.
And you’re probably a misinformed shit talker, with an over-inflated sense of self importance.
Just kidding.
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Did I offend you? Should I have put little smiley face after I said, “just kidding”?
Everything I have said is based off my own experiences. Maybe I didn’t word my first post in the manner I should have, but after my second post, no one else had a problem with what I said. Some even agreed to an extent.
Self importance? Please. I was so consumed by my obvious superiority that I got out of active duty because I didn’t think the Army was for me.
And I never said it equaled murderer. What are you reading?
My point was that the Army will let just about anyone in right now, Officers and Enlisted. And I’m not sure if you are still in the Military or not, but pissing hot does not equal separation. This is brings up another problem. The Chain of Command now has to deal with these fuckups, the can’t get rid of them.
It is very difficult to separate Soldiers. Even multiple offenders don’t always get separated.
There are also those that don’t do any of that and are professional and fantastic in a combat environment. I’ll take them and you can deal with the degenerates.
If you put on a uniform and tell me you are Soldier, then act like it. I think that is the least I can expect from them.
[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
Dustin wrote:
samdan wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
12 people confirmed dead…and it has been confirmed that these shooters were in fact U.S. soldiers.
Given the “quality” of your typical Soldier, they would have been my first guess.
You might want to clarify that statement a little… The first thing I interpreted that as is that “typical” soldiers are mentally unstable, and the second thing I interpreted it as is that a “typical” soldier is good at shooting people who aren’t expecting it.
Either way isn’t going to exactly endear you to the military folk around here.
I’m military folk.
I recently deployed and worked with some great Soldiers. Unfortunately, far too many were total garbage. DUI’s, pissing hot for drugs, being married multiple times, blowing every dime they had the weekend they were paid, and just having an overall attitude of not giving a shit about anything. I won’t even get into some the behavior that occurred while deployed.
Hopefully, this clears some things up for you.
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does. There are plenty of people that you’ve described above in any organization. We should be carefull when using the word “typical”
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
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I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.[/quote]
She was a Department of the Army civilian police officer. They say she responded in like 2-3 minutes.
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.
She was a Department of the Army civilian police officer. They say she responded in like 2-3 minutes. [/quote]
Not sure how big Ft. Hood is, but that sounds like a pretty quick response time.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.[/quote]
Yeah,they are just that…GATE security. I used to be a gate security guard.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.
Yeah,they are just that…GATE security. I used to be a gate security guard.
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Correct, I was under the assumption that they would not respond to anything like that.
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.[/quote]
Coming from a long military family line it is certainly refreshing to find that honor and class conduct is not yet lost.
As far as carrying on base we have had many heated discussions on this matter. In one court are the ones that feel only law enforcement officers should carry and their argument is always on point and tough to refute. In the other court some would prefer that all active military personnel on base should be permitted to carry a side arm. Arguing that when something crazy like this happens it could be stopped quickly. Or that one crazy with a gun in a room full of guns would think long and hard before pulling a stunt like this. Basically they police themselves. I canâ??t decide which side I fall on so I normally just drink and try to keep both sides arguing.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.
Yeah,they are just that…GATE security. I used to be a gate security guard.
Correct, I was under the assumption that they would not respond to anything like that.
Anyway, that job had to suck during the Summer.[/quote]
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.
Coming from a long military family line it is certainly refreshing to find that honor and class conduct is not yet lost.
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I appreciate that.
And I don’t think it is too much to ask from those who are in the military.
Also, I don’t give a shit if a person has a DUI, been divorced, pisses hot. I am friends with more people like that than whatever is opposite. However, they are patriatic and we defend family, friends, and land. If you don’t want to hang out with the people you speak of send 'em my way for a beer.
I could care less if they are “patriatic”. They are expected to act a certain way. I hold Soldiers that are under me to a high standard. That goes for their behavior on and off the job.
I worked with plenty of senior NCO’s who never did any of that shit and they hold the same opinion I do.
As to your question about carrying on post, I’m not sure what to think about that. The only individuals that should be carrying are MPs. According to what Big Boss said, the perpetrator was wounded by a female Officer. She had to have been an MP either responding to the call or was there by coincidence.
edit - Big Boss is correct regarding the gate guards, but I don’t recall ever seeing them on post, armed and in uniform, outside of the gate entrances.
Coming from a long military family line it is certainly refreshing to find that honor and class conduct is not yet lost.
As far as carrying on base we have had many heated discussions on this matter. In one court are the ones that feel only law enforcement officers should carry and their argument is always on point and tough to refute. In the other court some would prefer that all active military personnel on base should be permitted to carry a side arm. Arguing that when something crazy like this happens it could be stopped quickly. Or that one crazy with a gun in a room full of guns would think long and hard before pulling a stunt like this. Basically they police themselves. I can�¢??t decide which side I fall on so I normally just drink and try to keep both sides arguing.
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I foresee this being a huge debate in the near future as a result of this incident.
Just as the Luby’s shooting(that also happened here…geesh) resulted in the push(and eventually the right) for concealed carry.
[quote]Bagger wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
If they are people who help guys deal with PSTD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) then I think they are good people (except when they do this shit of course.) I cannot imagine how those guys who come home from Iraq or Afghanistan, have to defuse themselves within a very short period of time, and deal with non war-like society. Going from being shot at to normal life in a matter of 1-2 days is unreal to think about.
My son came home from Iraq last Spring and was diagnosed at Hood with PTSD. He had the 1000 mile stare and was emotionally numb. I was there when he lost it during a violent thunderstorm just one week after he got home. Not fun, but he wasn’t violent - everybody handles it differently. There isn’t much the Government can do or knows how to do.
I put him into my own form of rehab right away. Took him out on the boat EVERY weekend with plenty of beer, wakeboards, ski’s, tubes, loud music and BBQ. When he wasn’t cutting lose on the water he was oogling the bikinis. I took as many of his buddies out as the boat could handle.
It was a good summer and the decompression plan worked.[/quote]
A strong support system is the only thing that matters in a situation like this.
Everything I have said is based off my own experiences. Maybe I didn’t word my first post in the manner I should have, but after my second post, no one else had a problem with what I said. Some even agreed to an extent.
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Wrong,
I gave up replying to you, all of your posts in re to the services are sarcastic, perhaps you should have seen some of those ''glorified counselors'', may have been able to get rid of that chip on your shoulder.
[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
The military recruits from the same pool of people that any corporation does.[/quote]
No. They don’t. They recruit mostly from the bottom half of the bell curve. Corporations want educated people to make them rich. The military does not care – they just want someone who can pull a trigger and take a bullet.
Everything I have said is based off my own experiences. Maybe I didn’t word my first post in the manner I should have, but after my second post, no one else had a problem with what I said. Some even agreed to an extent.
Wrong,
I gave up replying to you, all of your posts in re to the services are sarcastic, perhaps you should have seen some of those ‘‘glorified counselors’’, may have been able to get rid of that chip on your shoulder.
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The only sarcastic comment I made was regarding whether the shooter was from West Point? Amongst Officers, at least those I worked with, all liked to give West Pointers a hard time. It was jab at them and if any of those graduating from the Academy had read what I posted, they probably would have picked up on the joke.
Aside from that, I have no chip on my shoulder. My opinions are based off my own experiences. I’m not going to lie and say otherwise.
