Shooter Movie

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve read every Hunter novel I could get my hands on. Looking forward to this movie. Earl and Bob Lee should be fiction heroes to any T-man.

I know one thing - those are not the Ozarks on the movie website backdrop. Can’t remember for sure, was Point of Impact set in the Rockies or in Arkansas where the Swaggers were from and where most of the novels’ locations were?

Seems one of Hunter’s books did start off in the Rockies.[/quote]

Arkansas, but I think I heard that they used Wyoming? for the movie.

Here it is: Shooter (2007 film) - Wikipedia

“…a raw young face, lean and sullen. The eyes were slits, the skin tight, the mouth a hyphen; there was something somehow Southern in the bone structure. He looked mean, too, and very competent, without a lick of humor and no patience for outsiders, with a willingness to fight anyone who pushed him too far.”

“…it was the same expressionless face you saw on the white-trash tough guys, the human tattoo museums and born-to-kill bikers and assault-with-intent pros who did their time in the joint as easily as a vacation…in such savagery, some people not only survived but actually thrived.”
Stephen Hunter POINT OF IMPACT

This first review isn’t exactly gushing about the film, but I’ll still hold out hope…

I don’t want to poo poo anyone’s good time, because this film does look cool, but I’m dissapointed. When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of Jack Coughlin’s “Shooter.” A real autobiography of a real Marine Sniper in a real conflict.

That would be a helluva movie to see on screen.

If you haven’t read that particular “Shooter” I think you should, soon.

B.

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
I don’t want to poo poo anyone’s good time, because this film does look cool, but I’m dissapointed. When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of Jack Coughlin’s “Shooter.” A real autobiography of a real Marine Sniper in a real conflict.

That would be a helluva movie to see on screen.

If you haven’t read that particular “Shooter” I think you should, soon.

B.[/quote]

From what I gathered having read the reviews (particularly those by Marines) I moved it off my “want” list a while back. The terms “self serving BS” seem to crop up a lot.

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I don’t want to poo poo anyone’s good time, because this film does look cool, but I’m dissapointed. When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of Jack Coughlin’s “Shooter.” A real autobiography of a real Marine Sniper in a real conflict.

That would be a helluva movie to see on screen.

If you haven’t read that particular “Shooter” I think you should, soon.

B.

From what I gathered having read the reviews (particularly those by Marines) I moved it off my “want” list a while back. The terms “self serving BS” seem to crop up a lot.

[/quote]

To that I’d say read it yourself, decide for yourself.

B.

I haven’t read the book but I will say I’m a pretty big fan of Wahlberg. He was great in The Departed, Invincible, Boogie Nights, etc. Seems like he’s a pretty tough kid from a pretty tough background, so he actually seems real in tough-guy roles – it works. Unlike when they put Tom fucking Cruise or somebody in a tough-guy role and my eyes just roll into the back of my head.

And Wahlberg’s just a really strong actor overall, IMO.

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Grimnuruk wrote:
BradTGIF wrote:
I don’t want to poo poo anyone’s good time, because this film does look cool, but I’m dissapointed. When I saw the title of this thread I immediately thought of Jack Coughlin’s “Shooter.” A real autobiography of a real Marine Sniper in a real conflict.

That would be a helluva movie to see on screen.

If you haven’t read that particular “Shooter” I think you should, soon.

B.

From what I gathered having read the reviews (particularly those by Marines) I moved it off my “want” list a while back. The terms “self serving BS” seem to crop up a lot.

To that I’d say read it yourself, decide for yourself.

B.

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Sure, but when I read that he: refers to his fellow Marines as “soldiers” (Marines NEVER do this, we are Marines not soldiers) that tells me that it is: 1) ghost written and 2) is lax with details 3) he couldn’t exercise control over “his” own book to fix this/or didn’t care; is thumping his own chest, when Snipers are held to an ethos of quiet professionalism; Also he couldn’t do any runs or humps with the rest of his unit because of bad knees and was Company Gunny?
You can see why I might be reluctant to part with my hard earned ca$h for this book.

Marines hold themselves/each other to a higher standard. The more rank, experience and high status job (sniper, recon, etc.) you claim the more is expected of you.

[quote]Grimnuruk wrote:

Sure, but when I read that he: refers to his fellow Marines as “soldiers” (Marines NEVER do this, we are Marines not soldiers) that tells me that it is: 1) ghost written and 2) is lax with details 3) he couldn’t exercise control over “his” own book to fix this/or didn’t care; is thumping his own chest, when Snipers are held to an ethos of quiet professionalism; Also he couldn’t do any runs or humps with the rest of his unit because of bad knees and was Company Gunny?
You can see why I might be reluctant to part with my hard earned ca$h for this book.[/quote]

Get it from the public library.

Well the movie was a bit of a disappointment. It got things right here and there but was too hit and miss to channel the hardcore Bob Lee Swagger of the books.

That was the main flaw IMO, Wahlberg was just playing Wahlberg not Bob Lee. They spent a bit too much visual effort on the “strut” (literally at one point, in front of a huge flag) and not enough on developing Bob Lee as a character. The ending was terrible, rode roughshod right over the book ending and stapled something stupid on.
Could have/Should have been so much better with the book as a guide.

This review at IGN has it about right: Movie Reviews, Trailers, Interviews, Wikis & Posters for Movies - IGN

Shooter
Review: Misses the target, but remains dumb fun.
by Stax
March 22, 2007 - After a long spell in development, Shooter finally comes to the screen courtesy of director Antoine Fuqua and screenwriter Jonathan Lemkin. The actioner is based on author-film critic Stephen Hunter’s novel Point of Impact.

Oscar nominee Mark Wahlberg stars as Bob Lee Swagger, a Marine scout sniper who left the service after being cut loose during a particularly nasty covert firefight in Africa. Now living in the mountains with only his dog for company, Swagger is called back into the service of his country when he is paid a visit by Colonel Isaac Johnson (Danny Glover) and his cronies (including Elias Koteas).

Johnson advises Swagger that there is an assassin out there determined to kill the President in the next few weeks and the government needs Swagger’s sniper eyes and instincts to help them determine where, when and how the would-be assassin will strike. Needless to say, Johnson and company are not exactly who they appear to be and Swagger finds himself the patsy in an intricate plot.

On the run from the law and with the eyes of the international media scouring the country for him, the only help Swagger finds is from two unlikely sources. The first is Nick Memphis (Michael Pena), the rookie FBI agent that Swagger bested after the assassination. The other is Sarah Fenn (Kate Mara), the widow of Swagger’s former spotter. Both Nick and Sarah have their own reasons for helping Swagger, whom they each come to believe is innocent.

With Nick and Sarah’s help, Swagger seeks out Johnson and his accomplices (including Ned Beatty as a shady U.S. senator), executing his plan of revenge with extreme prejudice. The bad guys’ motive for the assassination trails back to a crime from the past – an event that Swagger finds he played an unwitting role in.

As much as Fuqua and his fellow filmmakers might like to think of Shooter as being in the vein of '70s thrillers like Three Days of the Condor and Parallax View, the film is really a throwback to the not terribly complicated action movies of the '80s where bad guys in suits were methodically taken down by a rugged anti-hero with firepower galore.

From its Firefox-type opening where the agents find the vet living in the woods and recruit him back into service, to its Rambo-style sequences of carnage and F/X-like conspiracy plot, Shooter owes more to the action films of the neon '80s than the careers of Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal combined.

That’s not to say it doesn’t work as a contrived throwback to that style of movie. Shooter certainly has its moments, especially when Swagger makes his post-assassination escape and has to mend his wounds. His subsequent targeting of the bad guys will surely press all the right buttons for any average, red-blooded filmgoer. But Shooter literally goes off the cliff in the final act, where any semblance of logic is abandoned once it becomes clear that the filmmakers have written themselves into an inescapable corner. Despite its slew of genre cliches, Shooter works in fits and starts as a valentine to a simpler era in action films.

On the plus side, a look at Amazon.com shows we have another Bob Lee novel on the way: The 47th Samurai: A Bob Lee Swagger Novel with a release date of 9/11/07

I really liked it, I don’t think they could have done a 570 or so page book justice in the normal two hour time frame. Hell, just the beginning of the book could have taken two hours.

Book fans have to remember that a movie is a whole different animal.

And I’m psyched for the new book also.

I saw the movie last night and must say it I loved it. Great plot, acting, action scenes,etc.

I watched this movie a few days ago. I got my money worth and then some.

Excellent movie!

-Kev

Unfortunately Shooter hasn’t done so well at the box office. While I wish it was better, I’ll be buying a copy when it comes out on DVD. I hope they are able to get some sequels out down the line. TIME TO HUNT would make a great movie, I see Oleg Taktarov as Soloratev…

Another review":

Shooting Holes in a Conspiracy
By Richard Corliss

“I need you to plan a presidential assassination,” U.S. intelligence honcho Isaac Johnson (Danny Glover) tells ex-Marine Gunnery Sgt. and all-round super sniper Bob Lee Swagger (Mark Wahlberg). It’s for the good of the country, of course: Seems that the CIA has a tip on a plot to take a potshot at POTUS; and Swagger, a former Marine Gunnery Sgt. who can nail a gnat from a mile away in a high wind, is just the fellow to get into the mind of the would-be Hinckley and prevent the fourth killing of a U.S. President.

If you smell a setup ? the old governmental double-cross ? don’t bother congratulating yourself. We’re only halfway through Act 1 of Shooter, the latest movie in the conspiracy-theory genre. Filmmakers have spun some pretty decent political nightmares out of the fear of another Lincoln, McKinley or Kennedy assassination. The Manchurian Candidate, of blessed memory, established the format; The Parallax View, Three Days of the Condor, Winter Kills, JFK, Conspiracy Theory and last year’s BBC fake-umentary Death of a President all ran cunning variations on it. Shooter, written by Jonathan Lemkin from Stephen Hunter’s novel Point of Impact and directed by Antoine Fuqua, is an honorable rather than exceptional addition to the canon.

At the start, Swagger, still on active duty, is perched on a hilltop in Ethiopia ? “a country we’re not supposed to be in” ? on assignment to shoot down some enemy soldiers. The movie has established its fidelity to the war and cop genres in this first scene, when Swagger’s spotter, a nice kid, mentions he can’t wait to see his girlfriend back home and is promptly killed. That information also gives Swagger a rare ally (pretty, stalwart Kate Mara, who played Heath Ledger’s daughter in Brokeback Mountain) once he’s on the run from Washington, D.C., to Tennessee, which he calls “the patron state of shootin’ stuff.” (The always authoritative Levon Helm has an excellent cameo here as a Yoda of gun lore.) His other helper is a rookie FBI agent (World Trade Center’s Michael Pena), who does a lot of Internet research before he joins Swagger and gets to blow up some traitors.

Fuqua, who directed Training Day and King Arthur, knows his male audience, and knows that they like how-to movies on survival against all odds. So he spends plenty of screen time showing Swagger at work: cauterizing his own bullet wound, driving backward off a bridge into a river, planting napalm (a nice Vietnam touch) in an enemy compound. Indeed, the film is best at giving instructions in the assembling and detonation of weapons of movie distraction. And Wahlberg, so muscled up he looks as if he’s ready to explode, is serious and committed to the genre. We happen to be in a period when the youngish male stars are mostly light comedians. Wahlberg could be the actor that action movies have been looking for since Sly, Arnold, Harrison, Bruce, Jackie and Jean-Claude ? all in their 50s or 60s ? got too old to execute the leg lifts necessary to kick bad guys in the butt.

Like most of the earlier conspiracy thrillers, this one proceeds from two warring premises: a synoptic cynicism about the men who run things, and a dewy belief in the myth of the lone hero. You’re to accept on faith that the high-level perps are both deeply malevolent and supremely competent. (Uh-huh. Then why can’t they run a simple Iraq occupation?) In the Oliver Stone tradition ? who killed JFK? Everybody! ? the mischief-makers have infected all branches of power: the military, the CIA, the Senate, big business. “There’s no head to cut off,” one of the perps explains. “This is a conglomerate.” With a monopoly on state-sponsored (stateside) terrorism, they apparently can kill whomever gets in their way. Toward the end, one of the villains (Rade Sherbedgia) spills the entire conspiracy plot to Swagger because “This is just one dead man talking to another” ? and because, otherwise, we wouldn’t have a clue to what’s going down.

In opposition is just one person: the Erin Brockovich of decommed soldiers, a Rambo with a higher IQ ? Bob Lee Swagger! With a surname redolent of American machismo, and Christian names that suggest both Good Ol’ Boy and President Assassination Suspect, Swagger is your standard-issue outlaw hero. He loves his pet pooch, has little use for humans. On being offered the assignment to prevent an assassination, he spits out his apolitical nihilism: “I don’t much like this President. Didn’t like the last one much either.” (As a non-voter for either Bush or Clinton, he’s in sync with nearly half of the American electorate.) But he soon has a personal motivation: “These boys killed my dog.” Besides, a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do. And Swagger was born, bred and trained to locate and kill the enemy. Even the enemy within.

Toward the end, Swagger gets a civics lesson from a venal Montana Senator (Ned Beatty): “There’s always a confused soul who thinks that one man can make a difference… That’s the problem with democracy.” Actually, no. The problem with democracy is thinking that all men can make a difference. One man: that’s despotism, or comic-book wish-fulfillment. Or the premise of nearly every Hollywood movie, which says that the system is corrupt, and the little guy can beat it. (Until the next movie, where the system is corrupt…)

With the entire U.S. police force, half the military, and seemingly most of the employees of Blackwater USA trying to kill him, will Bob Lee survive? We’d never tell, but a quick check of amazon.com will show that Hunter has already published two Swagger sequels. There are other conspiracies to uncover, or invent, other countries in need of a superhero. Readers and moviegoers need him too, as an imaginary solution to monstrously real problems. It’s too bad that Swagger is a fiction, and that the notion of one man who can right wrongs is less plausible than the conspiracy fears that summoned him up as a solo world police force.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1602333,00.html

Surprised no one has mentioned this chick. She’s bangin’

What’s her name?

[quote]Kevin Haywood wrote:
Surprised no one has mention this chick. She’s bangin’

What’s her name?[/quote]

Mrs. Addicted…or as I like to call her…“Mine”.

Great movie now if only they would make movies based on the John Rain character by Barry Eisler

http://www.barryeisler.com/books.php