Hey Shane, good looking workout there. Thanks for the heads up about the video. I’ll have to check that out.
In the months leading up to my shoulder surgery, and ever since, I’ve had to give up on the OHP. It really causes discomfort in my shoulder. My shoulder surgeon said I should give it up. He said it just really puts the shoulder joint in a vulnerable position…can put a lot of stress on the rotator cuffs etc, and also on my repaired labrum, trying to stabilize the weight as you get heavier. He was a doctor…and jacked (probably more important LOL)…so I’ve been paying attention to his advice.
Sorry, you probably had no idea you were starting such a discussion. I actually got to check out that podcast and noticed that he seemed to be speaking of Military Press a lot (not sure if he was grouping OHP into that category?). In my experience, I have twice dislocated my shoulder doing Military Press so I couldn’t agree more. I have avoided that lift for twenty years… OHP, though, is not as bad. Possibly because of the ability to move the torso in a manner that compensates for a lack of shoulder flexibility, and cheats it more toward an incline bench movement. He referenced the opinion of his professor at school and also his doctor. I couldn’t help but think, as he was talking about this, “I’m not sure why he is so dead set on eliminating Military Press (perhaps OHP) when lifts like squats and deads, at least IMO, are terrible on your joints (knees, lower back, hips, etc.).” The older guy interjected with a great point when he said, “this can be said for any lift.” That’s probably the morale of the story. OHP is one of the few lifts that I haven’t had to alter over the years because of injuries. Not saying that’s true for everyone, of course. Still, I think that is a basic human movement that should be trained at some capacity, if it can be done without injury. Very cool topic. Sorry if you never wanted all of this discussion.
I still need to listen to the podcast. I’ve got no issue with eliminating the barbell OHP or military press. Just replace it with something neutral grip – viking press or neutral dumbbell press. Or a landmine press.
I’d take Dave Tate’s statement (I’m assuming by older guy you’re referring to Dave) even further: unless you have the best joint genetics on the planet, any kind of activity that’s load bearing and pursued with any level of intensity is going to eventually beat ones joints up. But the alternative of going through life weak and out of shape is worse for so many reasons.
Couldn’t agree more. I have thought a lot about this topic/discussion and to me, it all really comes down to what you just said. Strength training (and conditioning) is obviously better for you than than sitting on the couch. However, you have to do it in a way that improves your health, not damages it. It pretty much goes for all lifts or forms of conditioning. I gave up on doing super heavy lifting several years ago now, because I ended up with injuries each time I worked my way up to heavy weights. It became clear that my body wouldn’t tolerate it anymore and I needed to switch to more of a maintenance routine. It’s really about training optimally based on your body/limitations/genetics/injuries/etc. I just thought it somewhat ironic that a guy who squats 1,000 lbs and benches 700 was that worried about lifting overhead. I would think that there are very few people who can train to those kind of weights for a sustained period of time anyway. And even fewer that can do it into their 40’s. At this age, it seems like the point he made about Military Press/OHP could be applied to just about any lift or form of exercise.
I think this is right. Take master (over 40) powerlifters as an example. A lot of those folks that compete in those age categories came to the sport late; its rarer to see a master lifter still competing when that lifter started competing in his or her teens or twenties. But then on the other end of the spectrum, you’ve got folks who continue competing in Olympic lifting and powerlifting into their 70s having done it their whole lives. Those folks are rare though. Okay, I’m done hijacking Shane’s log. Lol.
Solid leg session today Shane. I often read your leg day sessions and wonder what state my legs would be in if I ever attempted all of that stuff… That was a ton of work man! Finished off with the sauna too.
Thank you Trent. Crazy week at work. Traveling to customers all over the place for meetings this week. Friday I was short staffed half the day and had a Braves game that we left early for.
A lot of other work stuff too but needless to say it was a busy week. LoL.
Nice job on the bike, sauna, Braves game and upper session Shane. Glad you got to go see a game man. That is a ton of steps for one day too so that had to make up for some of those beers.
Solid work Shane. Heavy on bench and deads and plenty of other work. Yeah, my weekend was similar. My wife and kids made cookies on Friday and I ended up crushing almost a whole tupperware container of them this weekend…
That was a ton of work man! Finished off with the sauna too.
