EQ will help with hunger if your goal is to grow (if the goal is to diet then maybe not the best). I’m not a big fan of deca - too many sides for my liking. I’d go EQ if you’re debating between the two.
600-800 per week will give you a good boost (EQ works well but only in high dosing …this is still considered a low EQ dose).
For cruising I would only use test - don’t mess with anything else. Remember EQ is originally made for horses not even for us lol …stick to test.
I’m pretty conservative with HCG during cycles, as the goal is just to prevent complete shut down and keep your balls working.
250iu twice per week unless you are doing crazy dosages (over 3g per week then probably up to 500 twice per week, but not necessarily).
Hi @Shadow_Pro ,
Looking for a little advice, to give you a bit of background I train twice a day most days with a 1.5 hr Olympic weightlifting session in the morning and a 1hr Crossfit + 45min strength session in the afternoon. Dieting is a pain mainly due to recovery from day to day, training volume goes down and strength ends up going down a little ( a given I know). I’m planning on doing a cut but looking to keep my training volume roughly the same, diet wise I’m OK I’m use to doing weekly weigh ins and making adjustments to the diet accordingly. I have done 3 cycles before and prefer short esters TEST E or CYP just give me a lot of bloat and it’s a pain to gauge weight loss. So I’m thinking of doing the following simple cycle, as I don’t want the pumps to get too bad during the higher rep crossfit workouts.
WK1-10
Test P 150mg EOD
Primobolan Depot 300mg per week
Nolvadex 20mg ED
PCT
Week 1-4 Clomid 50mg
Week 1-5 Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Week 1-4 HCG 500 IU 2x Week.
Thanks in advance
I like the idea of running masteron, how much of it would you suggest I run and for what duration? Also how does my PCT look? Will be bumping up my cardio from 45 min to 60 min a day as well. Thanks for your help!
Solid simple cycle - to be honest it looks good to me.
Nothing to add but please let me know if you have any other questions!
Masteron - run Mast prop (better for cutting) 150mg every other day.
PCT - add 2 full bottles of Alpha Male, and for the Nolva - do 5 weeks of 40/30/20/20/10 instead of keeping it stable.
Keep the HCG all the way to week 14
In these dosages you probably don’t need the Aromasin - may want to cut that.
Is there a way to help restart the thyroid after using T3? Thanks
Coach,
After I heard 1 bodybuilder touting, alternating low-dose Dbol (up to 25mg) & Anadrol (up to 50mg) throughout the week as pre-workout, all year long.
I’ve been trying to see if others recommend this as well.
Do you think this is a productive approach for serious athletes?
Its evident, Im new to using AAS, Im nearing the end of my 2nd cycle. But I just see myself continuing to stray more & more away from the above average athlete crowd, I keep getting more & more dedicated/diligent with nutrition, training, recovery and drugs/supps.
Again thanks so much for your time & effort in this Q&A thread!
It really depends on the dosages and length of time. If you give me more details I can give you more information - there are a few options.
Off the top of my head T4 use can help - it can help start things up and then it is easier to get off of than T3. Cardio and clean diet can help a lot. Solid insulin sensitivity helps those systems indirectly also so you can get dialed there. Send me details and then I can help you along.
Here is the thing with orals - in order for them to work effectively and efficiently, they need to be at a certain level in your blood. If you alternate 2 different drugs, this will never happen and you’ll never get the max results from either one. You want to take orals consistently throughout the cycle, ideally separated through the day since the half life is normally pretty short. They don’t work as a stimulant - they have a lasting effect - the longer you take them, the better they work. The only one that works right away from the first pill is oral tren since it works a lot more on your cns than your muscular system. Anyways, I wouldn’t take any of these drugs year round, and when I do take them I would take them as a part of a proper cycle.
Thanks for your reply. I’m currently 8 weeks into cutting cycle:
Test e 250mg
Tren e 600mg
T3 50mcg ED
I plan on going for another month then cruise.
Pleasure to meet you coach. Just a quick question. I want to stack something with my Propionate that won’t give me anxiety. I respond well to D-bol, but I don’t want the water retention. Is low dose equipoise or tren an option? I’ve gotten anxiety from both before, but they weren’t low dose. I’m looking more to lean out than really gain much size. Thank you for any info you can provide. If I have to, I’ll just stick to Prop at 300-400 a week. Best wishes in the coming season and shows!
Shouldn’t be a problem - just taper down 12.5mcg per week and your thyroid should start doing it’s thing again. Keep cardio going and a clean diet until you’ve normalized everything and the taper is done. You can do blood labs a few weeks after that if you want to see how things are. T3 is used commonly without problems afterward - it is a very resilient gland as long as the taper up and down is done properly and diet is clean.
Definitely no EQ or tren - EQ is a really hard drug anxiety-wise for anyone who’s predisposed, and tren just straight fks your brain up period haha.
I would recommend (for your goal) anything dry or exotic - masteron 100mg every other day, Primo 400-600 per week, Winstrol 50mg per day for 6-8 weeks, Anavar 100mg for 6-8 weeks, oral Turinabol is an also option if you don’t mind a little water (less than half of DBol) but will give better strength gains 60-100mg per day.
Any one of those will stack well with the prop levels you’re on without the anxiety sides.
Let me know how it goes.
Thanks again.
Thank you my friend!
Coach, going to start my PCT in a week.
Already planning for my next cycle (3rd Cycle).
2nd Cycle (11 weeks)
2nd half:
I had some spare Sustanon on hand so I used it even though its not known to be advantageous on the second half of the cycle.
It was:
20mg Nolvadex ED
250IU HCG every 3rd day
50-75mg Sustanon ED( ran out of it last 3 weeks of cycle)
50-75mg Test Prop ED( after running out of Sus, have been taking 125mg Test Prop ED)
( I’d alternate to see what different affects there were when I used more Sustanon or Test Prop)
I’ve heard of people getting back pumps during AAS use. But when I used Sustanon I’d get these shoulder pumps throughout the day, I loved it. Also, when I tried using Sus EOD, these pumps were non-existent, it only occurred when using it ED.
Broke a pullup record during this cycle. 30 Pullups non-stop. not too bad for a 6foot 200lb’er
I like training MMA and am focused on lifitng to get stronger & faster constantly. Got some spare Dbol on hand, I’ve heard its good for the joints, due to the water retention effects. I see this as a plus, especially since Im a high-frequency training individual, dont have a concern if its bound to bulk me up.
Seeing that various MMA fighters got popped for using Test E & hearing that its known for assisting with endurance, I’d figure I’d throw it in for my next cycle, what do you think:
20mg Nolvadex ED
250IU HCG every 3rd day
Test E (ED Amount ?)
Dbol ( ED Amount?)
NPP (ED Amount?, instead of deca)
You said “oral tren” has more of an instant effect compared to the other typical orals that are best used consistently, “the longer you take them, the longer they work”.
You also mentioned oral tren does more for the CNS than the muscular system.
Would you say it does more to strengthen your CNS to help take on more volume & intensity, preventing feeling over-trained/ burnt-out?
Either way taking oral tren probably wouldnt be compatible with my goals since, I’m more endurance based with my goals, right?
For a first cycle focused on adding mass - could I run an oral only something like havoc(epistane) or some other oral? Or is test the only option if I want to keep the most after the cycle
You did your homework and the cycle looks ok, although personally I would use EQ instead of Deca (both DBol and EQ will cause water retention - I guess you could argue that it’s good for the joints indirectly. I would probably say that on that note it is more of a benefit only when compared to some drying steroids like winstrol which can be really hard on joints…perhaps that’s more where that info is coming from? More of a better choice joint wise rather than an actual benefit).
Try something like this:
Test E 600-750 per week
Dbol 30-80mg every day for 6-8 weeks (start low and taper up)
EQ 600 mg per week
Nolva and HCG are fine
