Self-Prolotherapy Injection Log

Training Injuries and Rehab
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H Ray567, I have some questions on the phototherapy, are you using both a phototherapy compound and the testosterone?

Is the testosterone; micro filtered and in a aqueous suspension, and is it bi-identical?

I had a treatment by Dr. Hauser in Chicago for my spine and it helped but too expensive.

I was wondering if the testosterone can actually be to the “signal” for the undifferentiated stem cell to become a stem cell to repair cartilage ect?

I would appreciate your response and I can speak with you that will be great!

Thanks,

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:
thanks for the responses guys. If I decide to get prolo I really hope it works because this is kind of the end of the rope for me. Don’t know what else I can do lol[/quote]

Andy
I am in my last year of medical school in Amsterdam specializing in orthopedic medicine and sports medicine.
I have 1,5 years of experience treating people with prolotherapy for a wide variety of musculoskeletal problems.
The pain you describe is very common and will most probably benefit from prolotherapy tremendously. I can’t be sure what your problem is without a good examination ofcourse.
I would advise any doctor who does a lot of prolotherapy. This is important because there is still a big variability of the quality of the care you will get.

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[quote]Stemmy wrote:
H Ray567, I have some questions on the phototherapy, are you using both a phototherapy compound and the testosterone?

Is the testosterone; micro filtered and in a aqueous suspension, and is it bi-identical?

I had a treatment by Dr. Hauser in Chicago for my spine and it helped but too expensive.

I was wondering if the testosterone can actually be to the “signal” for the undifferentiated stem cell to become a stem cell to repair cartilage ect?

I would appreciate your response and I can speak with you that will be great!

Thanks,
[/quote]

The question isn’t directed at me but I’ll chime in.
There are doctors that use testosterone (aqueous) for injecting in tendons, joints, etc.
I’ve heared they have had good results.
I recommend you stick with the basic and widely used prolotherapy solutions for reliable results.
The list of variations of prolotherapy solutions are endless.

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hi, did your self prolotherapy work well? What dextrose did you use, is it any dextrose that diabetic uses or special for prolotherapy, can you tell me what exactly did you get and where did you get your all equipments?

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If you need to ask, you shouldn’t be injecting yourself. Save some money, go to a doctor, and have it done right.

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Hey Erasmus (or anybody). I’m interested in doing prolo on myself as well.

I wanted to send Ray a message but I can’t because I just signed up; he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

I want learning resources to learn more about the practice and technique. Most stuff seems to be conferences, and one on one training with doctors but I am not a physician. The best I seem to come up with is 2 books:

http://regenerative-md.com/regenerative-injection-manual/

and

http://www.hacketthemwall.org/Prolo_textbook_%26_DVD_sales.html

The first seems to be the manual Ray was using and I have a great feeling about it and think it might be a better resource since I will just be starting with 1 book. The latter seems to be the bible of prolotherapy and the 3rd edition has less diagrams and I feel like might be more verbose, however, there is a 5th edition with 200 added pages which I’m guessing is a remaster, however, I have no idea of it’s contents. What do you think would be a better introduction to administering prolo?

I have injuries all throughout my foot and I’m interested in treating it comprehensively. I did PRP once and I feel like it wasn’t comprehensive enough.

I am receiving virtually no advice from the patients and physicians I have reached out to so far but they are not dissuading me; my resources are very low and uncertain, for 6 months I have barley walked and not worked and I feel like this might be a good option for me. What advice do you have for me? What do you think of the comprehensive approach and Dr Hauser and Caring Medical (I’m interested in getting treated there or somewhere between there and Austin, TX (where I’m located) and learning from the procedure)? I would greatly appreciate any advice.

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[quote]Erasmus wrote:

[quote]Stemmy wrote:
H Ray567, I have some questions on the phototherapy, are you using both a phototherapy compound and the testosterone?

Is the testosterone; micro filtered and in a aqueous suspension, and is it bi-identical?

I had a treatment by Dr. Hauser in Chicago for my spine and it helped but too expensive.

I was wondering if the testosterone can actually be to the “signal” for the undifferentiated stem cell to become a stem cell to repair cartilage ect?

I would appreciate your response and I can speak with you that will be great!

Thanks,
[/quote]

The question isn’t directed at me but I’ll chime in.
There are doctors that use testosterone (aqueous) for injecting in tendons, joints, etc.
I’ve heared they have had good results.
I recommend you stick with the basic and widely used prolotherapy solutions for reliable results.
The list of variations of prolotherapy solutions are endless.[/quote]

Hey man. I’m interested in doing prolo on myself as well.

I wanted to send Ray a message but I can’t because I just signed up; he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.

I want learning resources to learn more about the practice and technique. Most stuff seems to be conferences, and one on one training with doctors but I am not a physician. The best I seem to come up with is 2 books:

http://regenerative-md.com/regenerative-injection-manual/

and

http://www.hacketthemwall.org/Prolo_textbook_%26_DVD_sales.html

The first seems to be the manual Ray was using and I have a great feeling about it and think it might be a better resource since I will just be starting with 1 book. The latter seems to be the bible of prolotherapy and the 3rd edition has less diagrams and I feel like might be more verbose, however, there is a 5th edition with 200 added pages which I’m guessing is a remaster, however, I have no idea of it’s contents. What do you think would be a better introduction to administering prolo?

I have injuries all throughout my foot and I’m interested in treating it comprehensively. I did PRP once and I feel like it wasn’t comprehensive enough.

I am receiving virtually no advice from the patients and physicians I have reached out to so far but they are not dissuading me; my resources are very low and uncertain, for 6 months I have barley walked and not worked and I feel like this might be a good option for me. What advice do you have for me? What do you think of the comprehensive approach and Dr Hauser and Caring Medical (I’m interested in getting treated there or somewhere between there and Austin, TX (where I’m located) and learning from the procedure)? I would greatly appreciate any advice.

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I’m located in Austin too and interested in getting either prolo, prp, or stem cell treatment on a class I AC joint sprain in my shoulder from a few months ago (leaning towards prolotherapy at this point). Does this sound like a condition prolo would be effective for? Can anyone recommend a good provider in this area or a resource useful for locating one? I’ve read too many horror stories to try just anyone.

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Bump

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@ray567 whats your current status regarding the self prolotherapy?

@Erasmus do you perform prolotherapy on patients?

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Hi,
Power to you for taking matters into your own hands. It looks like you are getting lots of good advice and support about hygiene safety from your peers. I am considering doing the same…
I am just wondering where you managed to buy the dextrose and sterile water for injection from?

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Hi @Erasmus, I’m having shoulder problems for around +2 years, which I think could benefit from Prolotherapy.
I live in Belgium and was wondering if you graduated and are available for consultations?

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Hello.
I have been giving myself prolotherapy injections for 10-years. I am not a doctor, though my knowledge of anatomy is comprehensive. Dextrose and sodium chloride work well, but morrhuate sodium is significantly more affective in my opinion. Nearly impossible to get in the USA without prescription (though I have not checked the “dark web”), though I plan to try some Aetoxisclerol sourced from a friend in Russia, which has similar properties. I do not use lidocane because it tends towards over-injection tendencies (because I am numb) and EXTREME suffering when it wears-off. I have used diabetic needles, and light guage needles because it sucks to stick myself, and both work equally well so long as I “pepper” the region. I suffer from CIDP, and the connective tissue is frequently strained on the left side of my body due to impared motor function. My spine is also affected, but I am not willing to do that wihout floroscopy. My advice is to get a book, study, and find someone who is willing to provide injections for you who has also studied a book. Much easier that way. VERY important to prep and keep everything sterile – especially when working with joints. You can buy lidocane on ebay (do not get lidocane with adrenaline), dextrose 50% on amazon (dilute with sodium chloride or purified water to 15-20%) and sodium chloride and purified water through amazon or ebay. Study the appropriate amounts of each component before mixing and injecting. The amount of lidocane, for instance, is so small that it is hard to isolate.

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Hi, I have a post here Prolotherapy Journal - Sternoclavicular Joint, Costochondritis, Shoulder Impingement could you please post anything more you can tell me?