Self-Defense Usefulness of BJJ Techniques

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
Ok guys, I assumed we were talking about hand to hand combat not guns and knives. If we’re talking weapons then I just pull out my glock 23 and shoot the motherfucker and his friends. And yes I do carry it. No MA is going to be effective against a gun, Duh! And how bout this, while you’re in my triangle I stab you in the fucking eye with my knife.

When you say “self-defense,” that means we’re talking weapons.

A gun is also not the be-all end-all. It’s a good tool, but anything can be made into a weapon. They can all be used in a fight.

Riiight… There’s also RPGs. Those work.

I’m just saying that not every weapon fits every situation. Look up the Tueller Drill.

First, gun still won.
Second, how many people have been killed with one stab? very few
Third, retreat until I get my gun out and then shoot the motherfucker.

Retreat and come back to shoot? Start saving money for your commissary.

Another good question is how many people die from one gunshot…or drop dead immediately after being shot??[/quote]

Hmmm, this is a great point. I’ve never been shot before thank God, but have had the misfortune of seeing the misfire of 5.56 ammunition. I just don’t see a body shot stopping a determined assailant, that is, stopping him in his tracks or knocking him back. A shot to the knee, foot and of course the head, would do the job though. Then again, the scenario in question has two individuals in close-quarter combat. When faced with a gun, most people I assume would not charge into its wielder.

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[quote]rundymc wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
Ok guys, I assumed we were talking about hand to hand combat not guns and knives. If we’re talking weapons then I just pull out my glock 23 and shoot the motherfucker and his friends. And yes I do carry it. No MA is going to be effective against a gun, Duh! And how bout this, while you’re in my triangle I stab you in the fucking eye with my knife.

When you say “self-defense,” that means we’re talking weapons.

A gun is also not the be-all end-all. It’s a good tool, but anything can be made into a weapon. They can all be used in a fight.

Riiight… There’s also RPGs. Those work.

I’m just saying that not every weapon fits every situation. Look up the Tueller Drill.

First, gun still won.
Second, how many people have been killed with one stab? very few
Third, retreat until I get my gun out and then shoot the motherfucker.

Retreat and come back to shoot? Start saving money for your commissary.

Another good question is how many people die from one gunshot…or drop dead immediately after being shot??

Hmmm, this is a great point. I’ve never been shot before thank God, but have had the misfortune of seeing the misfire of 5.56 ammunition. I just don’t see a body shot stopping a determined assailant, that is, stopping him in his tracks or knocking him back. A shot to the knee, foot and of course the head, would do the job though. Then again, the scenario in question has two individuals in close-quarter combat. When faced with a gun, most people I assume would not charge into its wielder.
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good point
I actually read a study done by a police department one time that said 98% of assailants “go down” after one to center mass from 40 cal ammo

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You also have to consider the number of people who own guns,but don’t practice with them or shoot them enough. Given the effects of adrenaline of a situation…some people couldn’t hit a NON-STATIONARY target 5 feet from them.

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true, you do have to practice often.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You also have to consider the number of people who own guns,but don’t practice with them or shoot them enough. Given the effects of adrenaline of a situation…some people couldn’t hit a NON-STATIONARY target 5 feet from them.
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That’s why I’m such a proponent of boxing for streetfighting. Using your hands, aiming for big targets, very simple to remember under stress.

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Ok I think we’re kinda chasing our own tails here. see if you agree with this.

1 you can’t be prepared for every situation
2 bjj does help in some situations
3 guns knives also work in some but not all situaions
4 you have to react quickly and be decisive

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[quote]jiujitsumania wrote:
rundymc wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
jiujitsumania wrote:
Ok guys, I assumed we were talking about hand to hand combat not guns and knives. If we’re talking weapons then I just pull out my glock 23 and shoot the motherfucker and his friends. And yes I do carry it. No MA is going to be effective against a gun, Duh! And how bout this, while you’re in my triangle I stab you in the fucking eye with my knife.

When you say “self-defense,” that means we’re talking weapons.

A gun is also not the be-all end-all. It’s a good tool, but anything can be made into a weapon. They can all be used in a fight.

Riiight… There’s also RPGs. Those work.

I’m just saying that not every weapon fits every situation. Look up the Tueller Drill.

First, gun still won.
Second, how many people have been killed with one stab? very few
Third, retreat until I get my gun out and then shoot the motherfucker.

Retreat and come back to shoot? Start saving money for your commissary.

Another good question is how many people die from one gunshot…or drop dead immediately after being shot??

Hmmm, this is a great point. I’ve never been shot before thank God, but have had the misfortune of seeing the misfire of 5.56 ammunition. I just don’t see a body shot stopping a determined assailant, that is, stopping him in his tracks or knocking him back. A shot to the knee, foot and of course the head, would do the job though. Then again, the scenario in question has two individuals in close-quarter combat. When faced with a gun, most people I assume would not charge into its wielder.

good point
I actually read a study done by a police department one time that said 98% of assailants “go down” after one to center mass from 40 cal ammo[/quote]

Makes sense. There’s a big diff between 9mm and .45 ammo and NATO 5.56mm rounds.

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boxing is a great skill to have in a streetfight

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[quote]jiujitsumania wrote:
Ok I think we’re kinda chasing our own tails here. see if you agree with this.

1 you can’t be prepared for every situation
2 bjj does help in some situations
3 guns knives also work in some but not all situaions
4 you have to react quickly and be decisive[/quote]

Agreed on all 4.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You also have to consider the number of people who own guns,but don’t practice with them or shoot them enough. Given the effects of adrenaline of a situation…some people couldn’t hit a NON-STATIONARY target 5 feet from them.[/quote]

Made me think of this

Mir talks about simulating stressful, adrenaline inducing situations, and training to operate your weapon in those situations.

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[quote]jiujitsumania wrote:
Ok I think we’re kinda chasing our own tails here. see if you agree with this.

1 you can’t be prepared for every situation
2 bjj does help in some situations
3 guns knives also work in some but not all situaions
4 you have to react quickly and be decisive[/quote]

Absolutely.

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I know I’m getting sidetracked a bit,but I own a handgun and conceal-carry. I shoot quite often…not as often when my job required it. BUT I don’t rely on it as a safety-shield. Especially when the element of surprise is a big concern.

Also,training to draw a firearm to chest/eye level as if you’re on the range can become instinct that can get you killed in a close proximity situation. We were trained to fire from the hip with one hand within 5-10 feet…but it still takes lots of practice.
Example:

But I will say that it’s something to be said when people look at me and/or know what I seriously train in…they don’t expect me to have a gun. That would be an element of surprise that could possibly work in my favor if the situation called for it.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I know I’m getting sidetracked a bit,but I own a handgun and conceal-carry. I shoot quite often…not as often when my job required it. BUT I don’t rely on it as a safety-shield. Especially when the element of surprise is a big concern.

Also,training to draw a firearm to chest/eye level as if you’re on the range can become instinct that can get you killed in a close proximity situation. We were trained to fire from the hip with one hand within 5-10 feet…but it still takes lots of practice.
Examples:

But I will say that it’s something to be said when people look at me and/or know what I seriously train in…they don’t expect me to have a gun. That would be an element of surprise that could possibly work in my favor if the situation called for it. [/quote]

That’s true, but if you don’t have that level of training one well placed shot is better than emptying your clip with no hits which often happens.

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[quote]jiujitsumania wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I know I’m getting sidetracked a bit,but I own a handgun and conceal-carry. I shoot quite often…not as often when my job required it. BUT I don’t rely on it as a safety-shield. Especially when the element of surprise is a big concern.

Also,training to draw a firearm to chest/eye level as if you’re on the range can become instinct that can get you killed in a close proximity situation. We were trained to fire from the hip with one hand within 5-10 feet…but it still takes lots of practice.
Examples:

But I will say that it’s something to be said when people look at me and/or know what I seriously train in…they don’t expect me to have a gun. That would be an element of surprise that could possibly work in my favor if the situation called for it.

That’s true, but if you don’t have that level of training one well placed shot is better than emptying your clip with no hits which often happens.[/quote]

True,but the time to make that one,well-placed shot better be very,very short…which comes from training and/or luck.

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Haha hopefully training!

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[quote]jiujitsumania wrote:
Haha hopefully training![/quote]

For real…I just hope that I’m never in a situation like that to begin with.

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Yea, unfortunately the best man doesn’t always win. Luck definitely plays a role.

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Big Boss gun ranges also dont have car hoods.

just kidding, glad this thread stayed on track…

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I remember watching a TUF episode a few seasons ago when two guys were going at it outside by the pool throwing kicks and shit and it got taken down and the dude on bottom tried an armbar and got his ass lifted up and his skull through the concrete. The other guys were making jokes about high kicks and BJJ in a streetfight.

Two things you can’t do in an MMA fight these days but would be highly effective in a street fight: thumb in the eye, thumb in the throat…preferably in that order…then a nice elbow or kick to the back of the head.

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[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
I remember watching a TUF episode a few seasons ago when two guys were going at it outside by the pool throwing kicks and shit and it got taken down and the dude on bottom tried an armbar and got his ass lifted up and his skull through the concrete. The other guys were making jokes about high kicks and BJJ in a streetfight.

Two things you can’t do in an MMA fight these days but would be highly effective in a street fight: thumb in the eye, thumb in the throat…preferably in that order…then a nice elbow or kick to the back of the head.[/quote]

Yea, bjj guard fighting in a street fight bad idea. If you’re gonna use Jiu jitsu in a street fight it should be to get back to your feet or extremely aggressive/offensive. In other words put him on his back, knee ride, and beat the shit out of him.