[quote]doogie wrote:
Oh, so I could have just willed myself out of depression.
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Yes, apparently. Because 1970 or something.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
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Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it.
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
No, actually, you are ignorant. I have dealt with it, it is a very intimate issue in my life, and based on my experiences, the experience of family members and friends, I think the best treatment is to take action. A pill is a short cut and a cop out in most case. Having been prescribed medications myself and have taken them for a year (then quit because I felt they didn’t help anything), I have come to the conclusion that most people simply lack the discipline and the will power to work through their issues. Today, people expect something to be resolved in a day, or 5 minutes, or generally handed to them on a silver platter. God forbid you have to endure some pain.
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed. Im not against medications where it is needed, but I think they are too liberally prescribed.
And for the record. I have dealt with suicide, suicide attempts, death, loss, PTSD, etc throughout my life. So I personally resent being told that I have no experience with depression. You know what I think deep down? Most people are weak and not willing to put the time into themselves to get better. Maybe that is a hard pill for you to swallow.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
No, actually, you are ignorant. I have dealt with it, it is a very intimate issue in my life, and based on my experiences, the experience of family members and friends, I think the best treatment is to take action. A pill is a short cut and a cop out in most case. Having been prescribed medications myself and have taken them for a year (then quit because I felt they didn’t help anything), I have come to the conclusion that most people simply lack the discipline and the will power to work through their issues. Today, people expect something to be resolved in a day, or 5 minutes, or generally handed to them on a silver platter. God forbid you have to endure some pain.
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed. Im not against medications where it is needed, but I think they are too liberally prescribed.
And for the record. I have dealt with suicide, suicide attempts, death, loss, PTSD, etc throughout my life. So I personally resent being told that I have no experience with depression. You know what I think deep down? Most people are weak and not willing to put the time into themselves to get better. Maybe that is a hard pill for you to swallow. [/quote]
You make my point for me dude. You can’t take criticism - you’re “right” all the time no matter what you’ll defend to the death that you’re “right” regardless of any new information presented or anyone else’s experience or knowledge on the subject at hand. Pissing in the wind … I’m mad at myself for even typing this out
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
No, actually, you are ignorant. I have dealt with it, it is a very intimate issue in my life, and based on my experiences, the experience of family members and friends, I think the best treatment is to take action. A pill is a short cut and a cop out in most case. Having been prescribed medications myself and have taken them for a year (then quit because I felt they didn’t help anything), I have come to the conclusion that most people simply lack the discipline and the will power to work through their issues. Today, people expect something to be resolved in a day, or 5 minutes, or generally handed to them on a silver platter. God forbid you have to endure some pain.
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed. Im not against medications where it is needed, but I think they are too liberally prescribed.
And for the record. I have dealt with suicide, suicide attempts, death, loss, PTSD, etc throughout my life. So I personally resent being told that I have no experience with depression. You know what I think deep down? Most people are weak and not willing to put the time into themselves to get better. Maybe that is a hard pill for you to swallow. [/quote]
You make my point for me dude. You can’t take criticism - you’re “right” all the time no matter what you’ll defend to the death that you’re “right” regardless of any new information presented or anyone else’s experience or knowledge on the subject at hand. Pissing in the wind … I’m mad at myself for even typing this out[/quote]
You should of spent that time learning SQL…
*Lol, just a playful jab Aero. I think you’re alright.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
No, actually, you are ignorant. I have dealt with it, it is a very intimate issue in my life, and based on my experiences, the experience of family members and friends, I think the best treatment is to take action. A pill is a short cut and a cop out in most case. Having been prescribed medications myself and have taken them for a year (then quit because I felt they didn’t help anything), I have come to the conclusion that most people simply lack the discipline and the will power to work through their issues. Today, people expect something to be resolved in a day, or 5 minutes, or generally handed to them on a silver platter. God forbid you have to endure some pain.
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed. Im not against medications where it is needed, but I think they are too liberally prescribed.
And for the record. I have dealt with suicide, suicide attempts, death, loss, PTSD, etc throughout my life. So I personally resent being told that I have no experience with depression. You know what I think deep down? Most people are weak and not willing to put the time into themselves to get better. Maybe that is a hard pill for you to swallow. [/quote]
You make my point for me dude. You can’t take criticism - you’re “right” all the time no matter what you’ll defend to the death that you’re “right” regardless of any new information presented or anyone else’s experience or knowledge on the subject at hand. Pissing in the wind … I’m mad at myself for even typing this out[/quote]
You should of spent that time learning SQL…
*Lol, just a playful jab Aero. I think you’re alright. [/quote]
Hahaha … the kid’s head just exploded a la Scanners
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
No, actually, you are ignorant. I have dealt with it, it is a very intimate issue in my life, and based on my experiences, the experience of family members and friends, I think the best treatment is to take action. A pill is a short cut and a cop out in most case. Having been prescribed medications myself and have taken them for a year (then quit because I felt they didn’t help anything), I have come to the conclusion that most people simply lack the discipline and the will power to work through their issues. Today, people expect something to be resolved in a day, or 5 minutes, or generally handed to them on a silver platter. God forbid you have to endure some pain.
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed. Im not against medications where it is needed, but I think they are too liberally prescribed.
And for the record. I have dealt with suicide, suicide attempts, death, loss, PTSD, etc throughout my life. So I personally resent being told that I have no experience with depression. You know what I think deep down? Most people are weak and not willing to put the time into themselves to get better. Maybe that is a hard pill for you to swallow. [/quote]
You make my point for me dude. You can’t take criticism - you’re “right” all the time no matter what you’ll defend to the death that you’re “right” regardless of any new information presented or anyone else’s experience or knowledge on the subject at hand. Pissing in the wind … I’m mad at myself for even typing this out[/quote]
It is tough being king. Not everyone is up for the job.
I have attached comic blog written by a young woman explaining her experience with depression. I am informed that the two part comic, although cute, provides an excellent explanation of depression for those who have not experienced it.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013_05_01_archive.html
You cannot cure depression by telling someone to just “stop being lazy”.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I have attached comic blog written by a young woman explaining her experience with depression. I am informed that the two part comic, although cute, provides an excellent explanation of depression for those who have not experienced it.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013_05_01_archive.html
You cannot cure depression by telling someone to just “stop being lazy”. [/quote]
That was SO good!
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You should of spent that time learning SQL…
*Lol, just a playful jab Aero. I think you’re alright. [/quote]
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I have attached comic blog written by a young woman explaining her experience with depression. I am informed that the two part comic, although cute, provides an excellent explanation of depression for those who have not experienced it.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013_05_01_archive.html
You cannot cure depression by telling someone to just “stop being lazy”. [/quote]
That was really good:
Looking back on the dark times, the worst part is remembering that at times I wish I never had my kids so I could just let go without hurting them. If you’ve never tried to wish your children out of existence, it’s hard to explain just how low of a point in your life that is.
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Drew1411 wrote:
[quote]Aero51 wrote:
medication wont change your situation, only how you feel about it.
[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a actual case of serious depression? It’s not feeling bad about how you look, its more along the lines of not having the will power to do anything. Medication ABSOLUTELY changes the situation. I have only recently been exposed to depression and am no expert, but without medication the person I know turns into a zombie who literally doesn’t do anything. The medication allows him to actually get out of his apartment and function. It is VERY noticable if he doesn’t take it.
I agree we shouldn’t medicate society, but if you are so clinically depressed you aren’t functional and are able to get back to being a normal person by taking a pill in the morning, go for it. [/quote]
Nah man, you’re just being lazy … you can will yourself out of depression (this fuckin’ kid man … not you, Drew, Aero … talking to him is like pissing in the wind)[/quote]
Taking a pill is a lot easier and more convenient than going to therapy for years, confronting issues of your past, and accepting that it is the individuals responsibility to make changes in their life. I think it is very rare for someone to need to be on medication for the rest of their life. Think, for example, what people did 100 years ago before any medications existed.
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Well, I expect that 100 years ago before there were any medications, people tended to die of what are fairly preventable illnesses today. People did it all the damn time. They also had extremely poor dental hygiene and took cocaine in candies. Doesn’t mean it was a good plan.
Similarly, I think it’s quite plausible that 100 years ago severely depressed people who physically couldn’t get out of bed sometimes just didn’t. Family members carried the load because there was no option. I expect that sometimes they took their own lives when the joylessness of their existence became too much to bear. Doesn’t mean it was a good plan.
You know, I think an arguement could be made that we are moving toward being over-medicated. I expect there may well be people out there on antidepressants and other medications who probably should just get their shit together and get on with it.
There also may be those for whom those meds are as life saving as antibiotics or other basic medical interventions. How is that weak, lazy or cowardly.? Don’t take those antibiotics, just man up through that pneumonia like your great grandaddy did? Also not a great plan.
Your experience is not going to be the same as everyone else’s. This is a basic fact of human existence.
Damn, I didn’t know this was still going but I just read the past few replies and it’s turned into a war zone on this thread. Depression really is a complicated subject, you are literally drifting through life and have absolutely no will power to do anything, it’s a cloud over your head 24/7 and it follows you everywhere. It’s not as simple as “man up” like the one poster said, although it’s certainly not bad advice.
For me, I am burnt out on my fast food job and applying for financial aid and headed back to college. Going to check around the career counseling center and use whatever resources they provide to me and my own gut feeling to decide what path I should take, me thinks it’ll be something medical or education.
I’m trying damn hard to get my diet in order, I’ve been tracking calories but haven’t changed my eating habits too much, but have been eating a tad bit healthier and laying off the sugars. Taking baby steps toward that goal.
I appreciate all of you guys. Seriously
[quote]KD0 wrote:
My next issue that is leading me into a downward spiral is I don’t know what I want to do with my life. I took time off from college for a year, and in December it will be a year and a half. I don’t know what kind of career I want, I just know that I like to be of service and talk to people. I’ve always been told to “go to school” and get a “career” but it really hit me one day that I have no idea what that is so I took a year off and didn’t really accomplish anything but saving up some cash.
That’s really all I have, I appreciate any advice you guys can give me, I also look forward to posting here and learning about fitness/bodybuilding.
KD[/quote]
My advice to you is to do everything and anything you want to do! I’ve moved across the country twice and met some really outstanding folks and some really terrible folks. Either way, I’ve lived the way I wanted, and gone wherever the wind has taken me. Don’t make the mistake of not exploring. You are young. Go nuts and meet different people with different opinions than you. Work hard at what you find to do, and if you start to get miserable doing that then do something else. Your opportunities are endless my friend. Most of all, be a decent human being. Sorry for rambling
[quote]JPork wrote:
[quote]KD0 wrote:
My next issue that is leading me into a downward spiral is I don’t know what I want to do with my life. I took time off from college for a year, and in December it will be a year and a half. I don’t know what kind of career I want, I just know that I like to be of service and talk to people. I’ve always been told to “go to school” and get a “career” but it really hit me one day that I have no idea what that is so I took a year off and didn’t really accomplish anything but saving up some cash.
That’s really all I have, I appreciate any advice you guys can give me, I also look forward to posting here and learning about fitness/bodybuilding.
KD[/quote]
My advice to you is to do everything and anything you want to do! I’ve moved across the country twice and met some really outstanding folks and some really terrible folks. Either way, I’ve lived the way I wanted, and gone wherever the wind has taken me. Don’t make the mistake of not exploring. You are young. Go nuts and meet different people with different opinions than you. Work hard at what you find to do, and if you start to get miserable doing that then do something else. Your opportunities are endless my friend. Most of all, be a decent human being. Sorry for rambling
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Ha, yes fuck the world. Go knock someone up and skip town. Go rob a store and skip town. Go do blow off a hookers ass, kill her and skip town.
Be a rebel
[quote]JPork wrote:
[quote]KD0 wrote:
My next issue that is leading me into a downward spiral is I don’t know what I want to do with my life. I took time off from college for a year, and in December it will be a year and a half. I don’t know what kind of career I want, I just know that I like to be of service and talk to people. I’ve always been told to “go to school” and get a “career” but it really hit me one day that I have no idea what that is so I took a year off and didn’t really accomplish anything but saving up some cash.
That’s really all I have, I appreciate any advice you guys can give me, I also look forward to posting here and learning about fitness/bodybuilding.
KD[/quote]
My advice to you is to do everything and anything you want to do! I’ve moved across the country twice and met some really outstanding folks and some really terrible folks. Either way, I’ve lived the way I wanted, and gone wherever the wind has taken me. Don’t make the mistake of not exploring. You are young. Go nuts and meet different people with different opinions than you. Work hard at what you find to do, and if you start to get miserable doing that then do something else. Your opportunities are endless my friend. Most of all, be a decent human being. Sorry for rambling
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Thanks man, I just wish I had a for sure general idea of where I want to head career wise