See How Kerry Will Lose The Debate

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “Can you promise that American troops will be home by the end of your first term?”

John Kerry: “I will have significant enormous reduction in the level of troops. We will probably have a continued presence of some kind, certainly in the region. If the diplomacy that I believe can be put in place can work, I think we can significantly change the deployment of troops not just there but elsewhere in the world. In the Korean Peninsula, perhaps in Euorpe perhaps. There are great possibilities open to us.”

ABC’s This Week-8-1-04

In order to win over the American voter one must be clear, concise, and most of all in times like these decisive! Kerry is none of the above and will fall further behind in the polls after the first debate.

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For once I have to agree with you, Zebster. Kerry is wet. He positively dribbles indecisiveness.
The reality, though, this election, is that is a choice between Bush and ‘non-Bush’. Bush has made some bold decisions, but whether they are the right ones is a huge matter of debate. The quagmire in Iraq is a result of one of those decisions. Being decisively wrong is worse.

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Politicians never answer questions directly… whats new here?

He’s saying he wants to reduce troop levels, not only in Iraq but perhaps other locations as well. However, it sounds like he’s unable to commit to removing troops completely. Big surprise there.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

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[quote]vroom wrote:

Are you being obtuse on purpose?[/quote]

That’s not something zeb has to do on purpose, he just is. Maybe someday when you’re all growed up, pay taxes and are “responsible” like zeb you can be a right-wing homophobic zealot, too.

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Dean wrote:

“For once I have to agree with you, Zebster. Kerry is wet. He positively dribbles indecisiveness.
The reality, though, this election, is that is a choice between Bush and ‘non-Bush’. Bush has made some bold decisions, but whether they are the right ones is a huge matter of debate. The quagmire in Iraq is a result of one of those decisions. Being decisively wrong is worse.”

If people on both sides of the political spectrum would take Dean’s lead and admit to some uncertainty about issues, our debates would be elevated to a higher level.

I applaud your last post, Dean.

Iraq was and is a huge risk. I believe in the Administration’s reasons for invasion. Fight an idea with a better idea. Lead by example. Deter other regimes from supporting terror and WMD. Establish a tradition of Democracy. Fight for our ideals.

This is the best of American foreign policy. However, patience and fortitude will be needed.

Remember, friends, it can be argued that it took us between 1775-1865 to create a trully stable Democracy.

We had marches, mob violence, and intercine warfare.

Let’s give the Iraqi’s the tools and give them a chance.

JeffR

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Didn’t he recently complain about Bush pulling troops from Germany?

Didn’t he say we didn’t send enough troops to Iraq to get the job done?

Kerry and the rest of his supporters actually need to come up with a plan for what he would do instead of complaining about GWB.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Politicians never answer questions directly… whats new here?[/quote]

Yeah, we all get what Kerry is saying, but you’re missing the point. When you’re a politician, the answer you give is often less important than how you say it. Kerry would have done much better if he would have said something to the effect of:

“All? Probably not. Most? Definitiely. The situation in Iraq has deteroriated during the Bush administration to the point that if we leave the country could very well erupt into civil war, which could lead to Iran, Syria and other countries to get involved. While I wish I could bring all of those troops home, it would lead to war and strife throught the Middle East. That’s why my plan involves stabilizing the country while reducing our troop levels as the situation allows.”

BAM - much better and much clearer.

Instead, Kerry hims and haws and doesn’t say a damn thing. People don’t like him because they don’t know what he’s saying. People also become reluctant to trust him as it almost looks like he’s lying. He’s trying not to piss people off instead of winning supporters. It’s like playing the prevent defense. You’re not going out to win, you’re going out to not lose.

Be Presidential. Be direct. Be a leader. Bush does that, even when he says something wrong. That is why Kerry will lose the election.

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[quote]tme wrote:
vroom wrote:

Are you being obtuse on purpose?

That’s not something zeb has to do on purpose, he just is. Maybe someday when you’re all growed up, pay taxes and are “responsible” like zeb you can be a right-wing homophobic zealot, too.

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Which is worse being obtuse about John Kerry and his inability to make up his mind - or - Being so narow minded and hateful that you must resort to name calling?

How about that, tme? You left-wing, baby-killing, gay-loving, devil-worshiper.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Politicians never answer questions directly… whats new here?

He’s saying he wants to reduce troop levels, not only in Iraq but perhaps other locations as well. However, it sounds like he’s unable to commit to removing troops completely. Big surprise there.

Are you being obtuse on purpose?[/quote]

vroom:

The point is that not only does Kerry have a boring delivery, he also is somewhat indecisive in his language. Add the two together and you have a perfect formula for a lost debate!

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tme:

Obtuse? I think you need to go back and take a look at all of your posts. They are usually somewhat lacking in wit and wisdom. They also (like the one above) attack the poster personally. You store a lot of hate for one little fellow.

It might be time to simply confess that you don’t have much to add to this political forum and leave!

Then again that would take good judgement…

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George W. Bush: “Uh…well, eh…you see, we’re at war. And when you’re in a war, you fight, it’s what you do (smirk). The troops are doing just fine in Iraq. They have…um…food and plenty of water – it’s a desert, you know so you need plenty of water…lots of water. Let me explain something to you, water keeps you ‘hydronated’…”

[quote]Interviewer:[/quote]“Mr. President, the question was regarding a potential timeline of the troops exit from Iraq – when, in your plan, will the troops return home?”

[quote]GWB:[/quote] “You see (serious), I’m getting there, but you didn’t let me finish. These are complicated issues in complicated times and these sorts of questions can’t be simple as 1,2,3, A,B,C” (President looks to Cheney for a moment and mouths “is that right?”). “The world is a different place. We are in a war…and its a big war. It isn’t just Iraq, it’s on “terror.” That word and those A-Rabs just send chills from my belt buckle to my 10 galloner.”

[quote]Interviewer:[/quote] “And the troops, sir, when will they return?”

[quote]GWB:[/quote] “Man, you’re a stickler, huh? (Looking to crowd) who let this guy in here? I didn’t know he’d be asking questions like this. I think the troops could use some more water…and as long as their in the desert, George W. Bush is the man who will give them water! Unlike my opponent, who voted against supplying the troops and must have wanted them to dehydrogonate in the Iraqi sun. DO you know he voted for hydrogonating the troops but then changed his mind and said ‘I wanna de-hydronobate the troops.’ Can I get a ‘flip?’ Can I get a ‘flop?’ You know, I was a cheerleader back at Yale! Hahaha…Mr. John Kerry was doing some nonsense with the Political parties on campus but I was supporting my team…just like I support the troops. I even got the team water, sometimes…water’s very important.”

Watching Bush in the debates will be like watching Celebrity Jeapordy on SNL with Will Ferrel…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
tme:

Obtuse? I think you need to go back and take a look at all of your posts. They are usually somewhat lacking in wit and wisdom. They also (like the one above) attack the poster personally. You store a lot of hate for one little fellow.

It might be time to simply confess that you don’t have much to add to this political forum and leave!

Then again that would take good judgement…

[/quote]
If this post wasn’t written by ZEB, I would have guessed it was written TO ZEB.

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RSU:

I will make a little wager with you son. Bush will either maintain, or grow his lead over Kerry after the debates. Would you care to take me up on that?

Now get back to your studies or you will flunk out of the ivory tower world and actually have to get a job…Oh my…hope I didn’t scare you. Ha ha.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:

I will make a little wager with you son. Bush will either maintain, or grow his lead over Kerry after the debates. Would you care to take me up on that?

Now get back to your studies or you will flunk out of the ivory tower world and actually have to get a job…Oh my…hope I didn’t scare you. Ha ha.

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I’ll bet you nothing…I’d rather you spend your money on taxes.

Kerry will win the debates. I say that objectively because he’ll be better prepared to respond to questions that matter. We hope that through the debates Kerry crystalizes his message…

Hey, by the way, I sent you that PM you requested about where you got your degree and what you studied…did you put the White House in charge of securing those records, because I’ve yet to hear back from you? I didn’t think it was the sort of question that required preparation.

…oh, and once more, you know nothing of my resume. Your “teasing” has been old and (speaking of immature) it is immature. I’m waiting for the day you close a post with a resounding “Nanny-nanny-pooh-pooh!”

I’ve schooled, I’ve worked (and paid plenty of taxes) and now I’m doing both (and still paying) – so shove your baseless assumptions straight up your 60 year old, “experienced,” ass!!!

(That’s 6 exclamations for you!)

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
I’ve schooled, I’ve worked (and paid plenty of taxes) and now I’m doing both (and still paying) – [/quote]

My kid’s paid more taxes than you have and he’s in freakin’ Junior High.

You’re all blow and no go RSU.

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Bush may chicken out of the debates, because he has a slim lead in the polls.

RSU’s post immitating Bush’s dissembling was right on! Funny stuff.

Remember when Tim Russert asked Bush if he had made any mistakes as president? Bush was stunned, he hemmed and hawed for what seemed like forever. You could practically see the smoke coming out of his ears, trying to think of a good answer that wouldn’t be politically embarrassing.

He was stumped! Speechless!

I can’t wait to see if Bush repeats his perrformance during the debates.

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Yes, the Meet the Press interview was classic Bush.

I’ve always thought if I had the opportunity to ask Bush a question, it might be:

“Now that you’ve had some time to think about it, have you decided whether you’ve made any mistakes yet?”

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RSU:

You run your mouth but refuse to back it up! I have seen your type in the Gym as well. They claim a big bench, or squat then when you push them on it, sixty pounds comes off their claim.

Let’s make a wager (men do that all the time kid). If Kerry beats Bush in the election I will not post on this political forum for three months. If Bush wins you won’t post for three months. (To the other liberal posters this is a challenge directly aimed at RSU)

This is something a bit different than what you are used to. Posting a few insults and then running to your next class. This challenge actually has ramifications. You have been quoting your liberal professors and talking up John Kerry on this forum for months. Here is a chance for you to actually stand behind him with more than your typical childish nonsense and personal attacks.

What do you say kid? Is this to much of a challenge for you, or will you step up to the plate and be a man for once?

(By the way I never got your PM. If it’s anything like your posts I can’t say that I missed it)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:

You run your mouth but refuse to back it up! I have seen your type in the Gym as well. They claim a big bench, or squat then when you push them on it, sixty pounds comes off their claim.[/quote]
What are you talking about?

Cute proposition – now when I decline your silly “challenge,” or, you may prefer the term “duel,” you can scream RSU is afraid!

I’ll decline because nothing would bring you more satisfaction than to see me gone for any period of time. How much easier you could breeze around T-Nation without me never backing down from any of the bullshit you put forward. I know you dislike people challenging you and your opinions, and that is yet another reason I irk you so.

Newsflash – I have every right to post what I do on this forum. I have every right to criticize your positions as you do mine. If my sarcasm bothers you, too bad!

I’d suggest a different challenge – let’s start a thread where it’s simply me and you and we can argue issues and insult one another as we see fit, without impeding on others’ threads. It can be here in the Politics forum or the Get a Life forum.

Quoting Professors? I have no political professors – now put your foot back in your mouth.
Talking up Kerry? I’ve hardly done this and in fact have agreed with the criticism that he hasn’t branded himself well enough to the American public. My position is and has been proudly anti-Bush. Again, get your shit straight homeboy.

Isn’t this where you were supposed to close with clucking and calling me a chicken? Or maybe “Nanny nanny pooh pooh?”

Well you know what it said. Why do you dodge this question? Where and what did you study? It’s a one sentence response.

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RSU:

Once again you have it all wrong! You don’t “irk me so.” In fact, I think it’s quite the reverse. I just thought it might be fun to see who has more faith in their candidate. Prior to my challenge you were obviously pro Kerry.

“My position is and has been proudly anti-Bush.” Oh really? When called down to support your candidate you claim not to have one. Imagine that. It’s looking quite a bit like the Gym rat who claims a big Bench Press. When called to prove it he backs away: “Well, these Benches are not the same as the ones I workout on, or I hurt my arm and I’m not Benching right now.” Sure RSU, we all understand (wink). You would like to take me up on my challenge , but it’s just that you don’t really have a candidate…okay.

You are now telling the forum that you do not support John Kerry! Well, if my challenge did nothing else it pulled you away from your beloved candidate. I guess it was worth the time to post it.

I didn’t think that you would take me up on the challenge-that would take guts. You would rather change positions when called down. Sort of like…(here it comes) a kid!

In a way I am glad that you backed down. I wouldn’t want you removed from the forum for three months. I want you right there in front of your keyboard when President Bush is reelected. As you have tacitly admitted that he will be!

I have way to much fun with you kid, and for that I thank you!

(still pulling for you)