Second Cycle: Mast vs EQ vs Primo. Decisions, Decisions

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I finished my first cycle, 500 mg test / wk for 16 weeks end of May this year. I consider it was rather successful, mostly thanks to great suggestions, comments and constructive criticism from the regular knowledgeable members of this wonderful forum. Thread found here: First Cycle, Seeking Advice

It’s been less than a month and I’m already contemplating my second cycle while currently running 160 mg/wk TRT dose. Won’t begin cycle for at least another 6 months.

I’m looking to add lean mass, lean muscle to my frame. I’m not looking for a regular bulk or cut cycle. If anything, it would be more of a recomp than anything else, gaining maybe 10-15 pounds along the way.

I’m currently standing 6’3 at 222lb, looking to get down to 210 just on trt by this winter, before my cycle would begin.

I’ve been extensively reading up on your comments regarding 3 compounds of which I would choose just one to run along 4-500 mg of test per week. Those compounds are:

  1. Mast (possibly 400-600 mg/wk)
  2. EQ (possibly 6-800 mg/wk)
  3. Primo (??? mg/wk)

About these three compounds I’ve read multiple, contradicting statements so I don’t really know who or what to believe anymore. The majority of the people agree that (I’m gonna be blunt now):

  1. Masteron is not an anabolic agent, it’s definitely not for bulking, many people don’t notice they are even taking it unless they are sub 10% body fat when it supposedly magically acquires anabolic properties and chisels ones abs and makes other muscles extra hard. Gives great boners and a general feal-good feeling.

  2. Equipose - from what I’ve read people consider it to be a bit more anabolic than mast. You need to run it for 16 weeks + to get all the benefits because of extra slow release. Increases appetite and thickens blood requiring blood donations. I’m not a fan of the appetite increase as eating isn’t a problem for me. Doesn’t create the great mood that mast does. The only benefit over mast is basically is that it might have slightly better muscle building properties. Also read EQ was outdated ever since primo and mast became available and the only reason it gained popularity was that it could be bought without a script in Mexico.

  3. Primobolan has basically all of the benefits of the above two compounds with very little sides. Probably everyone would run it if it didn’t have that pricetag attached to it.
    With Primo I’m not crazy about the price and the amount of oil I would have to inject since it comes mostly in 100mg/ml. Honestly I don’t think I’m ‘elite’ enough to use primo.

I think I’m left choosing between Mast or EQ. I’m leaning towards mast because I want the feel-good feeling, the increased libido and normal apetite levels. On the other hand if EQ really does have better muscle building properties over mast, I’d take it in consideration. Many sites equate the muscle building properties of mast and EQ while others say mast is basically useless for those looking to build muscle.

The cycle would last probably 12-16 weeks. I would run 4-500mg of test/wk the entire time.

I was considering jumpstarting the cycle with 10-20 mg of dbol /day for an extra strength boost the first few weeks. This is not definite yet and can be dropped. I’ve also some anavar laying around which I could use as a finisher for the last few weeks. But my main indecision is choosing another injectable.

Tren, deca and other harsh, wet, ‘bulky’ compounds are off the table for the time being. Thanks for any and all comments!

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Why not just use test alone again? Or, test 500-750mg for the first 8 weeks, bulk. Then test 500mg + mast 400mg for the back 8 weeks, cut/recomp. Build the muscle first, then lean it out.

I’ve only ran mast twice, once by itself (with test obvi) and once with a test+mast+Tren mix we called supercuts. Never saw much from it by itself.

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I don’t really want to go above 500mg of test unless completely necessary as the e2 sides start showing. I get extra puffy in the face and start getting moody. Also, I’d like to experiment with a second, relatively mild compound.

These are the statements I can’t comprehend. How come you ran mast the second time if you haven’t seen anything from it the first time?

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Cos the first time was mixed with Tren and test and the second time was alone with just test added.

With the Tren I got sides & results I was expecting; aggression, energy, insomnia. Maybe the mast contributed to those? Idk

Alone I didn’t get any extra strength, never saw that dry grainy look I had read about. I suspect I just wasn’t ready to add it in.

I was never very lean during that time anyway, maybe 18-20% at my best

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Maybe a light oral? Var or Tbol? I liked both of those

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It’s not that pricey and easy to find in 200mg/ml.

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Sorry, my mistake, as I assumed you ran just mast and test the first time.

I like var and maybe add it to the end of my cycle. Would still like a second injectable to test though

Mg to mg, would you consider primo a better lean muscle builder compared to mast and EQ? At what dose would you run primo if you were to run 4-500mg of test alongside it?

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From experience 300 - 500mg mast e did nothing in regards to muscle building/strength for me personally. Libido did increase, but I did run it with Tren ace (125mg) so both could have played a role there. I didn’t experience any additional feeling of well being on it. I felt the same as before taking it. The biggest downside was that it caused me to shed a ton of hair. I ran it for 15 weeks, First 9 weeks at 300mg and then at 500mg. Male pattern baldness does not run in my family, so I’m not to conceded and expect it to come back. Others on the other hand that struggle with hair loss should stay away from mast.

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I’d run test and primo. You can get primo in 200mg/ml. Shoot me an email

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no its not, it doesnt do shit…

just makes em look dryer

at 700mg a week it didnt do even this to me… nothing… if it would give me boners i would be taking it all the time… nope… at least not in my case.

its just as anabolic as test, but half less androgenic, to be exact.

not for me, and i would really need that effect as i never want to eat… i hate food.

nor EQ nor mast does anything for my mood

EQ is like a poor mans primo, imo…

if you got good results on 500mg of test, why not just do it again? :slight_smile:
you can also add some Var if you want to get all naughty, but i would say - if its not broke, dont fix it… you got nice results, go and get 75% of some extra with not complicanting shit…
add some HGH or Var if you absolutelly want to add something but i would not suggest you do add stuff while the same cycle keeps working.

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I’m currently running 400mg test cyp and 600mg primo . That should answer your question.

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From everything I’ve read from you guys, it seems that Primo is the clear winner for slow, steady gains with minimal sides. It costs a bit more but who can put a pricetag on one’s health, right?

@blshaw would you mind sharing a few words on your progress with the mentioned test/primo cycle? Are you getting what you hoped out of it? If you’re keeping a log on this forum, please link it as I’d like to read it.

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I’m not keeping a log. I try to keep my exposure to a minimum. I started this cycle after cutting from 205->185. So I was primed to rebound a little bit in size. I upped my calories from 2200 during the cut to about 3000. I’m now close to 200lbs again but much leaner than I was before at 205. The primo definitely took awhile to start noticing its effect, I was damn near 5-6 weeks in before noticing much but now its a slow lean addition thats showing. I enjoy it. It also been positive for libido.

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I put a friend of mine on a test/primo run because he’s very into doing things as safely as possible. His results are -10lbs overall, +8lbs of lbm. Actual, genuine recomp, no tren needed. 600 test/600 primo. Easy, no sides.

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What about AI on 600mg of test?

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Primo negates the need for an AI entirely. His e2 is in the 20’s when using it, so we actually added estrogen to the protocol.

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How would it effect someone who doesn’t aromatizes much at all, even with blast levels?

Edit: totally missed the part about adding e lol. Where did you find E?? Pill or injection?

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Pill. And it’s from his clinic. He already had some on hand since he’s a very low aromatizer to begin with. But the primo just crushed it completely.

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Interesting. I plan to run a test/primo blast at some point and try to do just what your friend is doing. Might have to figure something out on the E2.

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So primo works the same way EQ does…?