I’m coming off of my first cycle and as you would expect I’m already planning the next. I will take 3 months off (just TRT) before starting a bulk that will primarily be focused around powerlifting. I would like to increased my TRT from 115mg to 250mg and add an additional compound (EQ) at 250mg for 16 weeks. I want to keep doses on the lower end and avoid sides as much as possible. From my “research” I’ve gathered that EQ can increase RBC and blood pressure. I do plan on running labs and donating blood if necessary before the cycle, mid cycle and at the end. I will also monitor BP. I was also considering running anadrol for 4 weeks at the very end of the cycle.
Please share your EQ experience and any suggestions/feed back is appreciated.
Questions:
is a ratio of 1:1 test and EQ the best approach?
is 250mg of EQ a safe dose that will reduce the
chance of sides but provide noticeable gains. Or is it to low?
does EQ need to be front loaded?
can EQ be taken with test in the same shot/daily shots?
what’s a better/safer secondary bulking compound that could be run at low doses with test?
Depends on how your e2 acts. For me, i can only do 2:1 test/eq as i like my e2 on the higher side, not the lower… at 1:1 your e2 will be on the lower side of normal range - if you like that, its ok, then you can do 1:1… i want my e2 a bit over the normal range so i can do 2:1
i believe EQ must be ran at at least 600mg… 800mg the best, and many people say its best up to a gram… that is, if you want any benefits from it as far as muscle building goes.
i use low dose of EQ only to not use AI but i dont think it does much else…
anyways, at this dose, there will be no sides, but also - almost no benefit.
i dont suggest any front loading - the slower your levels climb, the less stress on the body.
yep
id do just more test, if e2 is not an issue.
more test + HGH if you want to be even more naughty.
also, dont limit yourself with thinking that some steroids are bulking and some are cutting… you can cut on deca and get fat on tren - its diet that makes something bulking or cutting, not the drugs.
What about going with the above suggestion and running more test. Upping it to 500mg, and running the EQ at 500mg. I am sensitive to high e2 in the sense that it causes me to break out, so the anti estrogen effect EQ provides would be a benefit. Would I even need an AI at 500mg test if running equal amounts of EQ? Then again is it a good idea to run 500mg of test for 16 weeks, since this is what most suggest with the EQ.
Honestly I’m not even sure how to set up this bulk. I would like to keep things on the milder side, but more than just TRT. Another compound isn’t a necessity, but I wanted to experiment since I had a relatively good first cycle. I’ve looked into deca and NPP but the risk of ED sides turned me away. I know some experience ED issues with Tren, but my thought was that it’s unlikely at a lower dose such as what I ran and I haven’t had any issues yet.
The goal is to mainly gain strength and some size.
Since you are on TRT and blasting, I would just run both 16 weeks. Personally, I think using more test and an AI is what I would do (but I am not sensitive to E2, and have run 600-650 without an AI, so even on a gram, I would probably only need 1-2 mg of adex a week). I just haven’t really seen much to think EQ is all that special. If you are getting into running a ton of AI, then EQ makes sense IMO.
Probably no, but you should always keep some on hand. I have a box of stuff i dont use, but if i need it, i always have some tren, some spare test, some anastrozole, half a pack of anavar and other shit…
also, since EQ is slow, it MIGHT be that your e2 is a bit higher in first 4 weeks and then EQ calms it down, but only regular bloodwork will tell.
Id suggest EQ for at least 20 weeks. And test is fine, of course. Many people run test for decades non-stop.
I did EQ last blast. Test was up to 700mg, did EQ 375 wk which I took three times per week mixed with my daily TC shots. I liked EQ. No more noticeable sides. I was able to run it longer than other injectibles so I think my results were better than some others I had done. For you I’d recommend the TC 500, EQ 400. Do not ramp up and understand that there is no added feeling our anything from EQ. You won’t notice anything until you are close to stopping it and look in the mirror. I think 400 is fine. Go higher if you want. 16 wks is also fine. If you plot it on steroid plotter it may not max out but you will see added, complimentary benefits to TC. I’m thinking about adding it back into my next TC, TrenA blast after I see how I do on Tren.
Fortunately I’m not prone to hair loss, both my father (55) and grand father (85) have a thick head of hair. While running mast e I was shedding like crazy though. Literally pulling clumps of hair from the shower drain every other day. Hair does feel thinner, but I’ll have to see if it returns after a couple month of being off. I haven’t considered primobolan. Are doses similar to mast e? Since they are both a DHT Are the sides similar? I ran the mast up to 500mg and didn’t experience anything negative aside from the shedding.
Primo and Mast will be similar in regards to shedding.
I have been experimenting with low dose (0.5 mg M,W,F, which research says is damn near as effective as 1 mg/day) Finasteride while on cruise. Nothing so far for sides. Since that is working, I am thinking I can just blast high Test, with Fin (at the same dosages above), and AI as needed (which probably won’t be much). At least to me, it seems that higher Test with AI and Fin in low dosages should be pretty clean. I don’t have this quantified in any way, but is Test with the ancillary drugs worse than Test and Mast or Primo if controlled for the same amount of gains? I really don’t know, but it is my upcoming experiment. Stuff like lipids, I think will be better with what I am doing. Hair loss will probably be less as well. Other sides IDK.
Not saying you should do this. Just what I am thinking and my thought process.
Primo is mostly considered a side effect free steroid. It won’t be as hard to manage E2, the gains are moderate and lean like EQ, but you don’t have RBC issues like running higher doses of EQ needed for results. As far as lower risk but with moderate rewards goes, primo is a champ.
Thanks, is there a good test/primo ratio to follow? Do you need to run primo higher to notice it’s benefits? Would 250mg even be noticeable or should it be run at let’s say 500mg…along with 250mg test?
the only downside I see is the price…and that it comes in 100mg/ml bottles…if I run 500mg split into daily shots, that’s close to 1ml of oil injected daily with my test. Going through half a bottle of primo weekly…seems Like a lot of oil…at least for me.
I’m not finding the best feedback on EQ so that might be out of the picture. Primo sounds like a good safe option.
I’ll Post this question here rather than creating a new topic. What is the clearance time for Tren ace and mast e? I want to get labs done at my TRT clinic and I don’t want either compound to be in my system and skew results. These are basic TT/FT/DHT/E2/SHBG Labs.
