So, after some careful consideration I have decided to wait a bit on the man boob surgery and see if just losing weight does the trick. If that doesn’t work i have a date with a cannula.
Here is the cycle I am thinking of doing. Please feel free to critique.
Cycle
W 1-6 Test Prop 100mg EOD
W 1-6 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
W 1-4 Primo 100mg EOD
W 1-6 Poviron 50mg/d
W 1-6 Nolva 20mg/d
fat burners
W 1-3, 6-9 Clen (piramid 40-120-40mcg/d)
W 1-3, 6-9 T3 (piramid 25-75-25mcg/d)
W 3-6 HOT-ROX or ephedra
Post cycle recovery
I haven’t decided yet what I am going to do for this. I may try an HCG/Nolva/Clomid type PCT because I haven’t yet and I am interested to see how it works.
Workout plan
As much as I hate it I will be doing morning cardio if I can but otherwise I will be running in the evening a minimum of 3 days a week. I will do 3 days a week of compound lifts and take one day of rest per week.
Let me know what you think. Comments from people who know what they are talking about only please.
Thanks.
FG
Why only 6 weeks? I’d say, don’t cut short your fat loss, and maximize your use of controlled substances, go 12 weeks.
my restriction with cycle length has to do with having to inject all the time. I find it a hassle, after a while you tired of sticking yourself…I can’t imagine doing it every day. I would do a longer cycle with enth but they are not as good for cutting.
OK, so here are some possible edits to the original cycle to make it a bit longer.
W 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
W 1-8 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
W 1-6 Primo 100mg EOD
W 1-9 Poviron 50mg/d
W 1-9 Adex 0.25mg/d or Nolva 20mg/d
fat burners
W 1-3, 6-9 HOT-ROX or ephedra
W 3-6, 9-12 T3 (piramid 25-75-25mcg/d)
W 3-6, 9-12 Clen (piramid 40-120-40mcg/d)
Post cycle recovery
HCG/Nolva/Clomid type PCT starting week 9
Let me know what you think. Comments from people who know what they are talking about only please.
Thanks.
FG[/quote]
I like your switch from the nolva all the way through to adex at .25mg/day. Id also highly suggest switching to ED injections due to the tren.
Id drop the primo due to cost. If you want to add something else synergestic go with winstrol at around 50mg/day.
I personally dont use clomid for pct unless the cycle has reached a rather long length. The hcg I would use throughout or not at all.
If your main goal is fat loss and you are just trying to preserve muscle with the addition of the steroids then why not slightlty lower your doses and expand the cycle to 12 weeks.
I favor longer cutting cycles as opposed to shorter, more intense cycles. For my next I was thinking Test e/Mast e/EQ. Not very high doses, probably around a gram/week total. But I will run it for about 12 weeks. Some don’t like EQ in cutting cycles because of the increase in appetite. Personally I can control my eating habits so hunger doesn’t become too much of an issue.
My last cutting cycle was EQ/TestE/MastE and had a little primo in it for the first bit until my remaining stash ran out…total was about 1gm-1.5gm/w.
it was hands down the worst attempt at a cutter ever. The EQ and Test made me soooo hungry…I would go to subway, slam a 12" steak or chicken sub, with cookies, and a large chocolate milk and still be hungry when i left…
I would feel sorta full and then 10mins later when I got in my car my stomach would do a weird gurgle and I would get a hunger pain as I was driving out…I was eating about 5-6 full meals (1000+ cals per sitting) a day and was hungry in between…I gained 15lbs in the first week. never again. I will however include at least a little EQ (300mg/w) in every bulking cycle I do.
I also retain water like crazy…even 30mg/d of dbol is enough to cramp me up so bad I can’t run because of the back pumps so I was trying to stay away from test enth to see if that helped. I may change this to enth esters though because it is easier and I am going to be out of the country in feb for a week and will miss a lot of shots if doing prop/ace esters.
The longer cycle may be a better plan though…
As for the clomid I am going to give it a shot because Nolva doesn’t do shit for me recovery wise (it does make me drop water though and look a lot leaner so that’s why I was thinking of including it with the test).
As for the primo I fuckin love it. cost isn’t so much of an issue cause i make good money and have no kids so a few hundred bucks isn’t a big deal. it made me lean and strong as shit last time i took it. I was stonger on test/mast/primo than on an equal dose of test/mast/eq by far…I was a lot leaner as well.
Hey George-
One question about your cycle, you said you will be using primo 100 mg/EOD which would equate to 300-400 mg per week. I have read that primo is not very effective at that low of a dosage, or rather that you need at least 400/week to be effective. Anyhow, just wondered if I’ve been misinformed?
when i did my first cycle it was 600mg/w primo with 30mg/d OT…I was making awesome gains but I got shut down after about 3 weeks and started getting lathargic, back pumps, and not being able to bust nut so I dropped the OT and added Test at 300-450mg/w and Masteron at 200mg/w. I kept the primo at 600mg/w for a while and then dropped it to 400mg/w when I upped the test to 450mg. I think the mix I liked the best though was 300 test, 600 primo, and 200 mast. felt and looked the best at those doses.
my second cycle I started out with 300mg test, 300mg masteron, 300mg primo, and 300mg EQ/w while I was using up the rest of my primo from the previous cycle. It worked very well with that combo. I dropped the primo when it ran out (about 4 weeks in) and increased the test and EQ (to 450mg each) but didn’t like that as much (more bloat and not as strong, way more sides as well). I was actually leaner and stronger in the first cycle. I was much bigger on the second though (I think a lot was water though).
I think if you are doing primo as the base or solo compound it needs to be run at higher doses (400-800mg/w) to get the full effect but it works quite well at the 300-400mg/w range when paired with test because you are getting a good mix of anabolic and androgenic). This is why I want to include it in the next cycle because you get the test (even mix), tren (strong androgenic), and Primo (anabolic) all doing their thing so they work in synergy. I would rather do it this way at the low end of the doses.
Just my 2 cents. I really don’t have that much experience with it to say for sure but I really like it so far and will try to include it any time I can.
thanks for the response buddy. Not to Hijack, but I just started a 600 primo/400 test/200 mast cycle yesterday so I will probably be posting on how it goes. Your info is very helpful in this regard. Best of luck getting shredded brother.
No worries man.
You are gonna fuckin love that cycle. That was pretty much the exact dose I liked best (I played with the doses a little from week to week).