Alright guys almost ready to start this and here is the final plan. I had a thread before in relation to this but thought I would start a new one. I recieved great advice before BTW from Schwarzenegger and Contrl.
weeks 1-12
500mg week test cyp (250mg 2x week)
300 mg tren ent (150mg 2x week)
250iu HCG EOD
.25mg Adex EOD
If Gyno is a HUGE worry then some Letro to keep just in case might not be a bad idea.
Keep in mind that Letro absolutely demolishes E levels. It’s good for getting rid of that gyno, but it’s not good to have E levels that low. Libido drops, joints suffer, and you’ll feel quite lethargic - but it’ll get the job done. If money is no issue, then keep some on hand, but be wary before using it.
I doubt you will get any type of gyno sides off of 300mg/week tren and 500mg/week test. Especially since you are taking .25mg adex eod. Generally the only time that tren produces gyno is when there is excess estrogen present to cause conflict. The adex should cover the 500mg test.
I could probably run this without an AI and be fine, but I think that being on the safe side is the best way to go. Some are more prone to gyno than others.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
I doubt you will get any type of gyno sides off of 300mg/week tren and 500mg/week test. Especially since you are taking .25mg adex eod. Generally the only time that tren produces gyno is when there is excess estrogen present to cause conflict. The adex should cover the 500mg test.
I could probably run this without an AI and be fine, but I think that being on the safe side is the best way to go. Some are more prone to gyno than others. [/quote]
Slightly on the topic of this thread (and yes I’ve asked a similar question before), if gyno were to appear due to tren, and you happened to have letro, would that be sufficient to combat the gyno, or, because of the particular nature of tren, would another route (B6 or the other drug you mentioned, 2thepain) be necessary at that point?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Stiddy wrote:
thanks guys for your information. Lastly, do I need any other PCT protocol? Also, does the cycle look about right?
If you are going to taper, you should use prop instead of cyp.
With the tren - I would take 240mg ed of Vit B6 just to be safe. the adex and the B6 should be all you need to keep the boob fairy at bay. [/quote]
Why such an exact number for the B6? And would you suggest just plain old over the counter pop-em-in-your-mouth B6?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Stiddy wrote:
thanks guys for your information. Lastly, do I need any other PCT protocol? Also, does the cycle look about right?
If you are going to taper, you should use prop instead of cyp.
With the tren - I would take 240mg ed of Vit B6 just to be safe. the adex and the B6 should be all you need to keep the boob fairy at bay.
Why such an exact number for the B6? And would you suggest just plain old over the counter pop-em-in-your-mouth B6? [/quote]
B6 can cause headaches if taken at too high a dose. I took 480mg ed on my first tren cycle without incident. I recommend taking less than that, now.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Cortes wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Stiddy wrote:
thanks guys for your information. Lastly, do I need any other PCT protocol? Also, does the cycle look about right?
If you are going to taper, you should use prop instead of cyp.
With the tren - I would take 240mg ed of Vit B6 just to be safe. the adex and the B6 should be all you need to keep the boob fairy at bay.
Why such an exact number for the B6? And would you suggest just plain old over the counter pop-em-in-your-mouth B6?
B6 can cause headaches if taken at too high a dose. I took 480mg ed on my first tren cycle without incident. I recommend taking less than that, now.
yep - just buy the shit off the shelf. [/quote]
Cool, thanks. That answers a long held question of mine about tren gyno.
…If you are going to taper, you should use prop instead of cyp…
I understand the differences in half lives and the fact that the prop will clear more quickly but why do you recommend this if one is tapering?[/quote]
For me, the faster clearing time would suffice. But also because you get a more realistic and even blood plasma concentration with lower esters as opposed to longer ones which occupy most of your mg-per-mg weight, i.e., 100mg of Test Cyp two times per week isn’t anywhere near 100mg of actual testosterone.
weeks 21-16 Taper Finish with Test CYP
80mg
60mg
50mg
40mg
30mg
20mg
[/quote]
You should opt out of using the HCG for your first two weeks and instead use them for the two weeks before the start of your taper, as the testicular shrinkage won’t occur that rapidly. Also, rather than so many weeks of 100mg x week, maybe you should cut the taper down to 100, 100, 80, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20.
If you say you have Masteron, you could use it in small amounts during your taper as a mild AI to avoid the estogenic rebound (won’t be suppressive, either).
weeks 21-16 Taper Finish with Test CYP
80mg
60mg
50mg
40mg
30mg
20mg
You should opt out of using the HCG for your first two weeks and instead use them for the two weeks before the start of your taper, as the testicular shrinkage won’t occur that rapidly. Also, rather than so many weeks of 100mg x week, maybe you should cut the taper down to 100, 100, 80, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20.
If you say you have Masteron, you could use it in small amounts during your taper as a mild AI to avoid the estogenic rebound (won’t be suppressive, either).[/quote]
thanks to all that replyed. I could not figure out how to multiqoute.
As far as test prop for the taper, I would use it but I do not have access to any, only eth or cyp
I had planned to run the HCG throughout the entire cycle. I have a quite a bit. I plan to do this for the main reason that during my first cycle I actually experienced testicle pain once they shut down and would rather avoid that if I can.
I am glad this cycle looks good. This means I can finally start because I have everything on hand.
As far as running the mast eth, would 150mg - 200 mg be suficient during the taper?
There’s really no need to run the HCG until the 2nd week, as doing so before would honestly be counterproductive, as you would only be accelerating the E2 build-up, and possibly building up SHBG faster.
I’m not 100% sure on the Masteron dosage, but you could probably do with less than that. Maybe 100mg/week.