Seattle Cop Punches Woman in the Face

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
hey DD, a friend of mine was traveling in San Diego and got a ticket from a traffic camera. I think that’s even more chickenshit than if she was pulled over by a cop. Cost 300 bucks. They got you. No way you can deny it. Is this the kind of law enforcement you favor?

After all traffic cameras do not give tickets to people whether they like them or not. They do not differenciate. Do you like seeing people get busted by traffic cameras?

At least you could talk a cop out of giving you a ticket if you have a good reason for speeding.[/quote]

No but you can go to court, plead your defense and get exhonerated or fined. If fined the Judge may have discretion on how much ie. extenuating circumstances.

On another note:

The battery in my truck went bad - while I’m at the service station getting gas to go to the gym. Its 4:30 am. Off duty pulls up getting ready to go on. gets gas and asks me if I need a jump. Makes it hard to hate all cops.

Another Time, I’m heading in to work. Damn Texas Drivers won’t let me in the turning lane and I have to make a right hand turn from the middle lane. Whoop Whoop, he was a couple of cars behind me. I’m req by TX law to tell him that I’m packing and show my CHL, he runs a check for warrants (no damn lecture) and lets me back on the road in 10 min.

There are good cops out there who take their job seriously without taking it EXTREME!!! I will say that most of my good experiences have been in Texas. To the LE posting on here - does it make a difference to you how you treat the civilian depending on the neighborhood/area?

^^

Not really. I just tell them why I stopped them, and ask if they have a legitimate reason for doing whatever they did, or if they have an emergency of some sort. I listen to their response, and take it into consideration while I’m running their D/L history and warrant check. Goes from there on a case by case basis for me.

The area I worked patrol was predominantly lower income Hispanic and AA. Maybe a few white folks sprinkled in. But, for me, traffic enforcement is a secondary deal. When you are running call to call to call all night, it’s silly to worry about writing tickets, IMO.

I have had mixed experiences with cops. It have come to the realization that cops who present and think of themselves as representatives of the law tend to be far nicer to deal with than those who think they are the law. There is a significant difference between the two. The first have a job to ensure public safety, the second get personally offended if a law is broken. That said, most of my good experiences with cops have been in Texas (they count even if I got a ticket) but outside the state sounding like a Texan, well, not the same experiences.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I guess to some Americans the instinctual reaction is that they should have alarmed a SWAT team, call in air support and level the whole village with artillery strikes to eliminate this nest of isurgency from a safe distance.

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Wow, just like Oradour-sur-Glane! (google it)

orion, there’s a difference between what happens in MOVIES about America, and what happens in real life. Movies are fantasy. Remember that.

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Waco was real.

Remember that.

Believe it or not, I have also had mixed experiences with police…and I am one.

True story. I got stopped in Massachusettes last year my a State Trooper for making an illegal u-turn on a state tollway. I was lost, and didn’t feel like driving 16 miles to the next exit to turn around…so I banged a U-eey at a highway crossover. Next thing I see is flashing lights, so I stop, and he approaches.

The guy is a total dick from the get-go. I apologized, said I was wrong, and when he asked, I explained that I was lost. I never mentioned that I was a cop from another state. This guy treated me like a piece of shit on his shoe for the next ten minutes, and wrote me a ticket. I still never mentioned I was a cop. (By the way…he was white, and so am I, for those who keep track of these things.) I took my ticket, and drove off.

Now…was I mad about how I was treated? Sure. Did he treat me like shit? Sure did. But, here’s the big difference. I wasn’t going to let MY PRIDE get me in more trouble than I was in, which is what most of these encounters boil down to. I did something wrong, so I accepted that I was getting a ticket. Had I not done anything wrong to start with, I never would have met the officer to start with. Giving him attitude back was not going to get me anything but a trip to jail.

I don’t feel the need to bow up to people because I’m being “disrespected” by some complete stranger. What difference does it make? I’m still here. I’m fine. I have to respect someone’s opinion to start with before I care what they think of me. Most people who claim they get “disrespected” are really just mad cos their PRIDE got hurt. It has nothing to do with respect.

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Believe it or not, I have also had mixed experiences with police…and I am one.

True story. I got stopped in Massachusettes last year my a State Trooper for making an illegal u-turn on a state tollway. I was lost, and didn’t feel like driving 16 miles to the next exit to turn around…so I banged a U-eey at a highway crossover. Next thing I see is flashing lights, so I stop, and he approaches.

The guy is a total dick from the get-go. I apologized, said I was wrong, and when he asked, I explained that I was lost. I never mentioned that I was a cop from another state. This guy treated me like a piece of shit on his shoe for the next ten minutes, and wrote me a ticket. I still never mentioned I was a cop. (By the way…he was white, and so am I, for those who keep track of these things.) I took my ticket, and drove off.

Now…was I mad about how I was treated? Sure. Did he treat me like shit? Sure did. But, here’s the big difference. I wasn’t going to let MY PRIDE get me in more trouble than I was in, which is what most of these encounters boil down to. I did something wrong, so I accepted that I was getting a ticket. Had I not done anything wrong to start with, I never would have met the officer to start with. Giving him attitude back was not going to get me anything but a trip to jail.

I don’t feel the need to bow up to people because I’m being “disrespected” by some complete stranger. What difference does it make? I’m still here. I’m fine. I have to respect someone’s opinion to start with before I care what they think of me. Most people who claim they get “disrespected” are really just mad cos their PRIDE got hurt. It has nothing to do with respect. [/quote]

Did you speak to their customer service representative? I serious about this. That guy makes your job harder. I could see how it could be easy to dismiss of regular folks but would your review of his behavior mean a damn thing?

I have pretty much full control over things in my job except what is deemed acceptable behavior. My position does not entitle me to be a jerk to students. It does, however, allows me to kick a kid out of college is I have due cause.

Are cops reminded regularly that their behavior directly affects their job and safety? Is there any concern about the ‘jerk’ cops?

More fuel on the fire:

4 charged, 7 fired, 12 disciplined in HPD
Case results from videotaped beating of teen suspect

Four Houston Police Department officers were indicted Wednesday on misdemeanor charges in connection with the beating of a burglary suspect that was caught on videotape earlier this year.

The four and three other officers were fired for their roles in the incident involving Chad Holley, an Elsik High School sophomore, who was handcuffed and lying on the ground after leading police on a short chase March 23.

Critics called the charges a “slap on the wrist.”

Community activist Qua­nell X, who first publicized the incident April 29, said he was “absolutely disappointed” that none of the officers was indicted for assault.

"You’re watching a handcuffed young man being beaten by law enforcement officers, and the only charge is official oppression? Where’s the assault charge?â??

Quanell X said prosecutors sought felony charges, but grand jurors reached a “compromise” returning lesser charges. The activist called the move racially motivated, and said white males made up the majority of the grand jury. Holley, 15 at the time of the beating, is black.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and names of the grand jurors have been sealed.

Harris County District Attorney Pat Lykos would not divulge the makeup of the grand jury, but described it as “diverse.”

The incident was recorded by a surveillance camera at Uncle Bob’s Self-Storage, 8450 Cook Road, then sent to HPD by Uncle Bob’s parent company.

Lykos identified the indicted officers as: Phil Bryan, 44, a 19-year HPD veteran; Raad Hassan, 40, who had been on the force five years; and Andrew Blomberg, 27, and Drew Ryser, 29, both with three years at HPD. All four were charged with official oppression, a Class A misdemeanor. Bryan and Hassan also were charged with violation of the civil rights of a prisoner, also a misdemeanor.

Class A mis-demeanors carry a maximum punishment of a year in jail.

All four were fired by Police Chief Charles McClelland, who also terminated HPD Sgt. John McClellan, 59, a 38-year veteran officer; Gaudencio Saucedo, 38, an eight-year veteran and Lewis Childress, 48, a 24-year veteran. All but McClellan were members of the department’s Westside Gang Unit.

Officer Waleed Hassan, who was suspended with pay during the investigation, was counseled but not disciplined, McClelland said.

Five other officers were given two-day suspensions for “policy violations unrelated to the arrest of Chad Holley,” McClelland said. Their roles in the incident and ensuing investigation were not clear. Unlike the others, none of the five was suspended during the investigation.

The charges and firings were outlined in a press conference by Lykos, McClelland and Mayor Annise Parker.

“Seven officers lost their jobs today and it’s our intent that they never work in law enforcement again,” Parker said. “When our officers behave in an inappropriate manner, they will be disciplined.”

Under Houston’s civil service rules, the officers can appeal their punishments.

Defense attorney Dick DeGuerin maintained that his client, Blomberg, had done nothing wrong.

“He was well within his use-of-force rights,” DeGuerin said. “He’s not one of the ones seen on the videotape hitting and kicking.”

Bryan’s attorney, Aaron Suder, said, “We’re going to be eager to get this case in front of a neutral jury and be able to present our side of the evidence â?¦ It’ll show his actions were legitimate and legal. I think they were legal and justified under the law.”

Joe Owmby, who represents Hassan, said his client believed the teen was capable of resisting arrest.

“We will plead not guilty. The use of force was justified to make an arrest when a person is resisting,” Owmby said.

Video withheld for trial
Parker has viewed the video­tape of the incident and called it “disturbing.”

Lykos, Parker and McClelland separately declined to release the video, despite pledging transparency for each of their administrations.

“The first showing of the video will be in a courtroom,” Lykos said. “The defendants are entitled to a fair trial.”

Asked if someone else could release the tape, McClelland said any copies that may be in HPD’s possession belong to the Harris County District Attorney’s office.

Parker volunteered that if anyone else had a copy of the tape, she would consider it stolen.

Quanell X claimed on Wednesday that he has a copy, but said he has been threatened with legal action if he releases it. He would not say who was pressuring him.

Holley, 16, was hospitalized after the incident. He spoke to the grand jury for about an hour on Monday, his attorney Wilvin Carter said. Carter said the teenager still faces burglary charges and his family plans a civil suit against the city.

“They’re upset. They feel as if an injustice has occurred. They wanted the grand jury to come back with felony charges,” Carter said.

Pastor James Nash, secretary of Houston Ministers Against Crime, commended McClelland for acting quickly, but said the officers involved should face more serious charges.

“You can’t let a police officer hide behind a badge and commit crimes,” Nash said. "When we start indicting these guys and give them what they deserve, that will send a signal to the rest of them.

“Even though we got something, I’m disappointed because it’s like a slap on the wrist â?¦ it’s a step forward, but it’s not enough,” the pastor said.

Union waits on ‘process’
Councilman C.O. Bradford, a former Houston Police chief, said he believes the videotape should be released to the public, although he acknowledged that he has concerns about the potential public reaction.

“Something went terribly wrong where that number of officers were involved,” Bradford said.

Houston Police Officers Union President Gary Blankinship noted that the indictments are not the end of the process.

“In no way is this a conviction, but another step in the process of our criminal justice system,” Blankinship said. “I think it’s important to note a very fast, very thorough investigation was conducted and presented to a grand jury relatively quickly, given the magnitude of the investigation. We’ll just let the process run its course and see what the outcome is.”

Chronicle reporter Bradley Olson contributed to this story.

[quote]mapwhap wrote:
Actually, Duce, I apologize, cos the first paragraph of my post was the only one directed at you. The rest was just general commentary directed to everyone else.

But, since I read your response, I’m going to point something out, although you apparently just refuse to accept this. The officer did not, as you claim, “commit the first assault”. Again, it goes back to the LAWFUL right to detain. Officers are allowed to prevent someone from leaving, whether it’s the most minor of offenses (i.e; jaywalking) or the most major of felonies (i.e; murder). Therefore, legally speaking, the officer did not commit an assault.

Further, whether a person thinks the law is valid or not, they DO NOT have a legal right to resist arrest, except in very narrow circumstances. This is not one of those circumstances.

I understand that you don’t think jaywalking is, or should be, illegal. However, in many (not all) cities, it is. Its enforcement may seem arbitrary to you, but it’s still against the law. [/quote]

Wrong, it is assault, the argument is over weather it’s justified. Lawful doesn’t mean right or moral and it certainly doesn’t change what the act is.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
More fuel on the fire:

4 charged, 7 fired, 12 disciplined in HPD
Case results from videotaped beating of teen suspect

Four Houston Police Department officers were indicted Wednesday on misdemeanor charges in connection with the beating of a burglary suspect that was caught on videotape earlier this year.

The four and three other officers were fired for their roles in the incident involving Chad Holley, an Elsik High School sophomore, who was handcuffed and lying on the ground after leading police on a short chase March 23.

Critics called the charges a “slap on the wrist.”

Community activist QuaÃ?­nell X, who first publicized the incident April 29, said he was “absolutely disappointed” that none of the officers was indicted for assault.

"You’re watching a handcuffed young man being beaten by law enforcement officers, and the only charge is official oppression? Where’s the assault charge?â??

Quanell X said prosecutors sought felony charges, but grand jurors reached a “compromise” returning lesser charges. The activist called the move racially motivated, and said white males made up the majority of the grand jury. Holley, 15 at the time of the beating, is black.

Grand jury proceedings are secret and names of the grand jurors have been sealed.

Harris County District Attorney Pat Lykos would not divulge the makeup of the grand jury, but described it as “diverse.”

The incident was recorded by a surveillance camera at Uncle Bob’s Self-Storage, 8450 Cook Road, then sent to HPD by Uncle Bob’s parent company.

Lykos identified the indicted officers as: Phil Bryan, 44, a 19-year HPD veteran; Raad Hassan, 40, who had been on the force five years; and Andrew Blomberg, 27, and Drew Ryser, 29, both with three years at HPD. All four were charged with official oppression, a Class A misdemeanor. Bryan and Hassan also were charged with violation of the civil rights of a prisoner, also a misdemeanor.

Class A mis-demeanors carry a maximum punishment of a year in jail.

All four were fired by Police Chief Charles McClelland, who also terminated HPD Sgt. John McClellan, 59, a 38-year veteran officer; Gaudencio Saucedo, 38, an eight-year veteran and Lewis Childress, 48, a 24-year veteran. All but McClellan were members of the department’s Westside Gang Unit.

Officer Waleed Hassan, who was suspended with pay during the investigation, was counseled but not disciplined, McClelland said.

Five other officers were given two-day suspensions for “policy violations unrelated to the arrest of Chad Holley,” McClelland said. Their roles in the incident and ensuing investigation were not clear. Unlike the others, none of the five was suspended during the investigation.

The charges and firings were outlined in a press conference by Lykos, McClelland and Mayor Annise Parker.

“Seven officers lost their jobs today and it’s our intent that they never work in law enforcement again,” Parker said. “When our officers behave in an inappropriate manner, they will be disciplined.”

Under Houston’s civil service rules, the officers can appeal their punishments.

Defense attorney Dick DeGuerin maintained that his client, Blomberg, had done nothing wrong.

“He was well within his use-of-force rights,” DeGuerin said. “He’s not one of the ones seen on the videotape hitting and kicking.”

Bryan’s attorney, Aaron Suder, said, “We’re going to be eager to get this case in front of a neutral jury and be able to present our side of the evidence â?¦ It’ll show his actions were legitimate and legal. I think they were legal and justified under the law.”

Joe Owmby, who represents Hassan, said his client believed the teen was capable of resisting arrest.

“We will plead not guilty. The use of force was justified to make an arrest when a person is resisting,” Owmby said.

Video withheld for trial
Parker has viewed the videoÃ?­tape of the incident and called it “disturbing.”

Lykos, Parker and McClelland separately declined to release the video, despite pledging transparency for each of their administrations.

“The first showing of the video will be in a courtroom,” Lykos said. “The defendants are entitled to a fair trial.”

Asked if someone else could release the tape, McClelland said any copies that may be in HPD’s possession belong to the Harris County District Attorney’s office.

Parker volunteered that if anyone else had a copy of the tape, she would consider it stolen.

Quanell X claimed on Wednesday that he has a copy, but said he has been threatened with legal action if he releases it. He would not say who was pressuring him.

Holley, 16, was hospitalized after the incident. He spoke to the grand jury for about an hour on Monday, his attorney Wilvin Carter said. Carter said the teenager still faces burglary charges and his family plans a civil suit against the city.

“They’re upset. They feel as if an injustice has occurred. They wanted the grand jury to come back with felony charges,” Carter said.

Pastor James Nash, secretary of Houston Ministers Against Crime, commended McClelland for acting quickly, but said the officers involved should face more serious charges.

“You can’t let a police officer hide behind a badge and commit crimes,” Nash said. "When we start indicting these guys and give them what they deserve, that will send a signal to the rest of them.

“Even though we got something, I’m disappointed because it’s like a slap on the wrist â?¦ it’s a step forward, but it’s not enough,” the pastor said.

Union waits on ‘process’
Councilman C.O. Bradford, a former Houston Police chief, said he believes the videotape should be released to the public, although he acknowledged that he has concerns about the potential public reaction.

“Something went terribly wrong where that number of officers were involved,” Bradford said.

Houston Police Officers Union President Gary Blankinship noted that the indictments are not the end of the process.

“In no way is this a conviction, but another step in the process of our criminal justice system,” Blankinship said. “I think it’s important to note a very fast, very thorough investigation was conducted and presented to a grand jury relatively quickly, given the magnitude of the investigation. We’ll just let the process run its course and see what the outcome is.”

Chronicle reporter Bradley Olson contributed to this story.
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This kind of thing used to happen all the time back in the 70s . What it taught me is to be very polite . I had several freinds beat by the cops back then.