Well the title pretty much says it all. There isnt much to the story yet but here’s the video
apperantly the cop stopped these woman for J Walking and then they started a tussle with the officer and he blasted one in the face. I dont know if he thought she was going for his weapon or whatever but I was taught never to put my hands on a cop. Guess these chicks never got that lesson
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Cool! She tried to use her gender to physically assault him and he jacked her in the face. Doesn’t she know cops can no longer profile anyone?
Wait’ll some big prison lez makes that broad her bitch. Bet she’ll never touch a cop again.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Cool! She tried to use her gender to physically assault him and he jacked her in the face. Doesn’t she know cops can no longer profile anyone?
Wait’ll some big prison lez makes that broad her bitch. Bet she’ll never touch a cop again.[/quote]
She attacked him. A women can hurt someone just like any man. Anyone would know better, who the fuck starts a fight with a cop over J walking…seems more like a coke addict or a guy on probation would lol.
I think she got what she deserved, even though im not for punching people in the face or hurting women in general.
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I can almost guarantee the cop was being an ass to begin with. Once in the situation though, I don’t think it was wrong to punch her.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I can almost guarantee the cop was being an ass to begin with. Once in the situation though, I don’t think it was wrong to punch her.[/quote]
Because it’s always the cops fault and citizens would never, ever do something without provocation?
I don’t know how someone can make a “guarantee” about something knowing absolutely no details of the incident. Just because you may be reasonable and would not do what this woman did unless the cop was being an ass, doesn’t mean everyone you see on the internet is a reasonable, sensible person.
Once I saw that the lady was mouthing off and put her hands on the cop, I lost interest. Seems like at least 90% of the time with this stuff, the citizen doesn’t have the ability to just say “Yes, sir” and “No, sir.”
And as far as it being “only jaywalking,” you don’t know the whole story. Cops are aware of things that we might not be. Were they jaywalking across a street that is known for pedestrian getting hurt? Did they block traffic or cause a car to swerve? Was he just being a dick?
Easy answer for all of this? “Sorry, Officer. I’ll be much more careful next time. Have a good day.”
[quote]trevor16 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I can almost guarantee the cop was being an ass to begin with. Once in the situation though, I don’t think it was wrong to punch her.[/quote]
Because it’s always the cops fault and citizens would never, ever do something without provocation?
I don’t know how someone can make a “guarantee” about something knowing absolutely no details of the incident. Just because you may be reasonable and would not do what this woman did unless the cop was being an ass, doesn’t mean everyone you see on the internet is a reasonable, sensible person. [/quote]
I never made a guarantee. There was a word in my post that made a qualification. You must have missed it.
Next, I never made any of the claims you accuse me of. Just because you like to hump fire hydrants, doesn’t mean everyone does.
I do know some things as fact. The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
The reason I can almost guarantee he was being an ass is because there is apparently no reasonable explanation for the initiation of the contact. Can you think of a better explanation?
I never said the women were being reasonable or sensible, but it isn’t against the law to not be. I also said that he was right to punch her for laying hands on him (much the way I wish the student would have punched the congressman for grabbing him).
Learn to read. Learn to think.
[quote]gonugs wrote:
Once I saw that the lady was mouthing off and put her hands on the cop, I lost interest. Seems like at least 90% of the time with this stuff, the citizen doesn’t have the ability to just say “Yes, sir” and “No, sir.”
And as far as it being “only jaywalking,” you don’t know the whole story. Cops are aware of things that we might not be. Were they jaywalking across a street that is known for pedestrian getting hurt? Did they block traffic or cause a car to swerve? Was he just being a dick?
Easy answer for all of this? “Sorry, Officer. I’ll be much more careful next time. Have a good day.”[/quote]
^This.
We do not know if the pedestrians were causing traffic problems. This strikes as when people get mad when they get stopped for running a stop sign or talking on cell phones. To the individual, it seems minor (while else would they ignore the law) but to the person it could have harmed or killed, not so minor.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
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You caught the part about two groups getting stopped for jay walking? From that it sounds like it could be a problem in the area. It is part of the cops job to ensure the safety of the citizens, pedestrians and drivers.
Do bear in mind where I live some teenagers view getting hit by cars as a way to get money to buy stuff. Drivers have to be extra careful because kids jay walk intentionally to get hit. “Well, someone should put a stop to that.” Yep, it is the cops.
Come on guys. The cop did not punch the jaywalker. Her face collided with his fist. She caused the collision.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Come on guys. The cop did not punch the jaywalker. Her face collided with his fist. She caused the collision. [/quote]
Yep, never would have happened if she stayed in the crosswalk.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
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You caught the part about two groups getting stopped for jay walking? From that it sounds like it could be a problem in the area. It is part of the cops job to ensure the safety of the citizens, pedestrians and drivers.
Do bear in mind where I live some teenagers view getting hit by cars as a way to get money to buy stuff. Drivers have to be extra careful because kids jay walk intentionally to get hit. “Well, someone should put a stop to that.” Yep, it is the cops.[/quote]
So, it’s unreasonable to think the cop was just being an ass, but reasonable to compare the women to kids trying to get hit by cars?
Listen, it completely looks like the women were being assholes. It’s their right to be. It also seems pretty obvious the cop was being an ass too. It’s his job not to be.
It also from the video looks like the cop initiated the physical contact (though that isn’t conclusive). Initially he is the one holding onto the woman in the black shirt. So, as far as we can tell, he grabbed her for either j-walking or just being an ass, neither reason is good enough justification in my book.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Come on guys. The cop did not punch the jaywalker. Her face collided with his fist. She caused the collision. [/quote]
Yep, never would have happened if she stayed in the crosswalk.[/quote]
Agreed. I hate Jay Walkers. I live near the Astrodome where all the Katrina Refugees lived. Holy Crap. It was a sea of people walking across the street all the freaking time. It was a slalom course. I did not want to slow down to 5 mph for the fear of someone jumping in the car with me, but I also knew if I ran them over they would sue my ass.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Come on guys. The cop did not punch the jaywalker. Her face collided with his fist. She caused the collision. [/quote]
Yep, never would have happened if she stayed in the crosswalk.[/quote]
Agreed. I hate Jay Walkers. I live near the Astrodome where all the Katrina Refugees lived. Holy Crap. It was a sea of people walking across the street all the freaking time. It was a slalom course. I did not want to slow down to 5 mph for the fear of someone jumping in the car with me, but I also knew if I ran them over they would sue my ass.[/quote]
I’m sure yall never j-walk.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]trevor16 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I can almost guarantee the cop was being an ass to begin with. Once in the situation though, I don’t think it was wrong to punch her.[/quote]
Because it’s always the cops fault and citizens would never, ever do something without provocation?
I don’t know how someone can make a “guarantee” about something knowing absolutely no details of the incident. Just because you may be reasonable and would not do what this woman did unless the cop was being an ass, doesn’t mean everyone you see on the internet is a reasonable, sensible person. [/quote]
I never made a guarantee. There was a word in my post that made a qualification. You must have missed it.
Next, I never made any of the claims you accuse me of. Just because you like to hump fire hydrants, doesn’t mean everyone does.
I do know some things as fact. The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
The reason I can almost guarantee he was being an ass is because there is apparently no reasonable explanation for the initiation of the contact. Can you think of a better explanation?
I never said the women were being reasonable or sensible, but it isn’t against the law to not be. I also said that he was right to punch her for laying hands on him (much the way I wish the student would have punched the congressman for grabbing him).
Learn to read. Learn to think.[/quote]
You seem like a decent guy and a lot of times you hit the nail on the head but you are wrong on this.
Jaywalking is not bank robbery to be sure. I don’t think I ever stopped someone for it. That doesn’t mean that there is no justification for stopping someone for it. Let’s put aside the fact that it is illegal under existing MV law( maybe something you happen to disagree with). Someone above correctly pointed out that there can be a host of other facts that are not known to us. It looks like a pretty busy street. Perhaps this cop has scraped a few pedestrians off of it and decided he wants to try and do something about it. Maybe his reasons are not so dramatic. Whatever the case, a lawful contact like that most likely makes him an ass? I have picked out certain problem areas due to bad behavior by drivers/walkers and stepped up enforcement there to try and modify behavior. That statement betrays an unfair bias on your part.
The behavior of her and her friend after the stop is absurd. I would try not to punch anyone in the face unless it was a pretty grave situation but I don’t believe his employment of force was out of bounds(for what it is worth, I am a use of force instructor). Cops have called me out when I made mistakes as a private person at different points in time when I was younger. You think I squared up with them? The two instances I am thinking of, they were right and I was wrong, even if they could have been more diplomatic. Don’t give me the libertarian rap either. Guys that know me here know where I stand on freedom issues. The fact remains that there are some rules required for a civil society and if you disagree with them, we still(barely) have avenues to address those grievances. One of those rules involves respecting the decisions and authority vested in the police out on the street(unless they are acting in an unlawful way which threatens your life). Fighting with a cop (who is acting lawfully) on a sidewalk is not the place. A lot of it can be chalked up to proper raising.
Also, consider this. I have seen a longer version of this video, and the crowd that gathers could have gone a long way to calming this situation by offering to assist the officer and talking down the two agitated girls. Instead, they circled around running video of the whole thing.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Come on guys. The cop did not punch the jaywalker. Her face collided with his fist. She caused the collision. [/quote]
Yep, never would have happened if she stayed in the crosswalk.[/quote]
Agreed. I hate Jay Walkers. I live near the Astrodome where all the Katrina Refugees lived. Holy Crap. It was a sea of people walking across the street all the freaking time. It was a slalom course. I did not want to slow down to 5 mph for the fear of someone jumping in the car with me, but I also knew if I ran them over they would sue my ass.[/quote]
I’m sure yall never j-walk.[/quote]
I drive every where. If I do not, I walk to the corner and wait for the White Light Walking man to appear then I proceed through the stripped walking path. Outside the path I have no reason to sue if I get hit. Inside the stripe is my only defense.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
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You caught the part about two groups getting stopped for jay walking? From that it sounds like it could be a problem in the area. It is part of the cops job to ensure the safety of the citizens, pedestrians and drivers.
Do bear in mind where I live some teenagers view getting hit by cars as a way to get money to buy stuff. Drivers have to be extra careful because kids jay walk intentionally to get hit. “Well, someone should put a stop to that.” Yep, it is the cops.[/quote]
So, it’s unreasonable to think the cop was just being an ass, but reasonable to compare the women to kids trying to get hit by cars?
Listen, it completely looks like the women were being assholes. It’s their right to be. It also seems pretty obvious the cop was being an ass too. It’s his job not to be.
It also from the video looks like the cop initiated the physical contact (though that isn’t conclusive). Initially he is the one holding onto the woman in the black shirt. So, as far as we can tell, he grabbed her for either j-walking or just being an ass, neither reason is good enough justification in my book.[/quote]
No, the cop could have been being an ass. All I tried to point out that jay walking could be a problem in that area. Bear in mind these women are the same age of the kids who try to get hit here. Where I live, there is some motivation to get hit. Context and perspective need to be considered. I am just trying to leave room for that.
I am not going to agree it is the women’s ‘right’ to be asses to the cops. There are many ways to communicate (freedom of speech). Their behavior escalated what should have been a minor event.
Also, sometimes cops are going to come across as asses just because people disagree with the law. Hell, I got yelled at for having my bag on the gym floor today. The rest of the trainers know I have enough gear in there to make the bag safer (takes up lass space) than if I just carried everything loose. Did the trainer who said something look like an ass, yep. Were they doing their job, yep. So while I did not appreciate being yelled at I understand why I was. Those kids might have disagreed with being stopped for jay walking it does not change the fact they were breaking a law.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]trevor16 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
This all happened because of jay-walking? Seriously?
One would think that a cop would have better things to do than to harass jay-walkers.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking. I can almost guarantee the cop was being an ass to begin with. Once in the situation though, I don’t think it was wrong to punch her.[/quote]
Because it’s always the cops fault and citizens would never, ever do something without provocation?
I don’t know how someone can make a “guarantee” about something knowing absolutely no details of the incident. Just because you may be reasonable and would not do what this woman did unless the cop was being an ass, doesn’t mean everyone you see on the internet is a reasonable, sensible person. [/quote]
I never made a guarantee. There was a word in my post that made a qualification. You must have missed it.
Next, I never made any of the claims you accuse me of. Just because you like to hump fire hydrants, doesn’t mean everyone does.
I do know some things as fact. The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
The reason I can almost guarantee he was being an ass is because there is apparently no reasonable explanation for the initiation of the contact. Can you think of a better explanation?
I never said the women were being reasonable or sensible, but it isn’t against the law to not be. I also said that he was right to punch her for laying hands on him (much the way I wish the student would have punched the congressman for grabbing him).
Learn to read. Learn to think.[/quote]
You seem like a decent guy and a lot of times you hit the nail on the head but you are wrong on this.
Jaywalking is not bank robbery to be sure. I don’t think I ever stopped someone for it. That doesn’t mean that there is no justification for stopping someone for it. Let’s put aside the fact that it is illegal under existing MV law( maybe something you happen to disagree with). Someone above correctly pointed out that there can be a host of other facts that are not known to us. It looks like a pretty busy street. Perhaps this cop has scraped a few pedestrians off of it and decided he wants to try and do something about it. Maybe his reasons are not so dramatic. Whatever the case, a lawful contact like that most likely makes him an ass? I have picked out certain problem areas due to bad behavior by drivers/walkers and stepped up enforcement there to try and modify behavior. That statement betrays an unfair bias on your part.
The behavior of her and her friend after the stop is absurd. I would try not to punch anyone in the face unless it was a pretty grave situation but I don’t believe his employment of force was out of bounds(for what it is worth, I am a use of force instructor). Cops have called me out when I made mistakes as a private person at different points in time when I was younger. You think I squared up with them? The two instances I am thinking of, they were right and I was wrong, even if they could have been more diplomatic. Don’t give me the libertarian rap either. Guys that know me here know where I stand on freedom issues. The fact remains that there are some rules required for a civil society and if you disagree with them, we still(barely) have avenues to address those grievances. One of those rules involves respecting the decisions and authority vested in the police out on the street(unless they are acting in an unlawful way which threatens your life). Fighting with a cop (who is acting lawfully) on a sidewalk is not the place. A lot of it can be chalked up to proper raising.
Also, consider this. I have seen a longer version of this video, and the crowd that gathers could have gone a long way to calming this situation by offering to assist the officer and talking down the two agitated girls. Instead, they circled around running video of the whole thing. [/quote]
Bottom line being your experience leads you to give the benefit of the doubt to the cop, mine does not. Fair is fair.
I do disagree with the way enforcement of laws is handled. 99.9% of the time j-walking is not enforce and is defacto not illegal. Then one cop can take it upon himself to decide to enforce is making it defacto illegal in certain instances. Cops have the final say in enforcement which is what actually makes things illegal or not and no one votes for them. I have a serious problem with you taking it upon yourself to go out an modify the behavior of a neighborhood. But this is probably a topic for another thread.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The confrontation was over j-walking. A cop has no right to do anything to anyone (even assholes) without reasonable cause. J-walking is not reasonable cause in my book. A police officer approaching someone on the subject of j-walking is utter BS. It’s like pulling someone over because they were going 2 miles an hour over the speed limit.
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You caught the part about two groups getting stopped for jay walking? From that it sounds like it could be a problem in the area. It is part of the cops job to ensure the safety of the citizens, pedestrians and drivers.
Do bear in mind where I live some teenagers view getting hit by cars as a way to get money to buy stuff. Drivers have to be extra careful because kids jay walk intentionally to get hit. “Well, someone should put a stop to that.” Yep, it is the cops.[/quote]
So, it’s unreasonable to think the cop was just being an ass, but reasonable to compare the women to kids trying to get hit by cars?
Listen, it completely looks like the women were being assholes. It’s their right to be. It also seems pretty obvious the cop was being an ass too. It’s his job not to be.
It also from the video looks like the cop initiated the physical contact (though that isn’t conclusive). Initially he is the one holding onto the woman in the black shirt. So, as far as we can tell, he grabbed her for either j-walking or just being an ass, neither reason is good enough justification in my book.[/quote]
No, the cop could have been being an ass. All I tried to point out that jay walking could be a problem in that area. Bear in mind these women are the same age of the kids who try to get hit here. Where I live, there is some motivation to get hit. Context and perspective need to be considered. I am just trying to leave room for that.
I am not going to agree it is the women’s ‘right’ to be asses to the cops. There are many ways to communicate (freedom of speech). Their behavior escalated what should have been a minor event.
Also, sometimes cops are going to come across as asses just because people disagree with the law. Hell, I got yelled at for having my bag on the gym floor today. The rest of the trainers know I have enough gear in there to make the bag safer (takes up lass space) than if I just carried everything loose. Did the trainer who said something look like an ass, yep. Were they doing their job, yep. So while I did not appreciate being yelled at I understand why I was. Those kids might have disagreed with being stopped for jay walking it does not change the fact they were breaking a law.[/quote]
A law everyone breaks like minor speeding. Either enforce the law or don’t. Singling out areas is BS. Law enforcement has no right to differentiate enforcing a law based on area.