[quote]rainjack wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
funny how RJ posts in facetiousness and others dont get it.
I’m just happy to see that Dallas hasn’t fallen so far off the NFL map that they have lost all their haters.
The NFC East is back.
As for TO - Was I the only one that thought his agent was even more of a prick than Owens?
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Unrealated question but how the hell is Dallas in the NFC EAST? hmmmmm…
[quote]deanosumo wrote:
Now TO has apologised again, what chance the Eagles will change heart and suit him up?
If I was Andy Reid, I would, on the condition that he knows it is his last chance. Also, they suck this season. They need him, even though he is a dickhead.[/quote]
No, we don’t need him. McNabb is too injured; therefore, having TO fully in our camp on our side will not make a difference anyhow. It’s just not out year. And he’s a divisive influence on the team. He can only hurt us at this point. We have to bank our hopes on something else.
[quote]Gianacakos wrote:
bklewis wrote:
Ok…I’ll play your silly game. There is really no defense for T.O. but c’mon, why is everybody overreacting?
What did T.O. really do?
Did he murder someone? (Ray Lewis) oops, he was just involved in a murder investigation.
Did he hit an official?
Did he use an illegal drug? (pick one)
Did he commit any type of crime? (here again, pick one)
The answer of course is NO. While I do not agree with his way of handling things he is entitled to his opinion. When you really get to the heart of the matter that is the problem. People disagree with his opinion. Philly knew this going in and now they act surprised. Give me a break!!
NFL players are forgiven for way bigger problems. This guy is a physical specimen in a game where physical specimens dominate. He doesn’t get paid to give his opinion, he gets paid to run and catch. But he IS entitled to speak his mind, no matter how stupid he sounds.
I’m blown away by the reaction to him actually because the NFL celebrates the bad boy image.
Marvin Harrison is the best receiver in the league but you wouldn’t know it from the press that Randy, T.O. and others get.
And I guarantee that if Philly were 8-0 (not 4-4) T.O. would be worshipped by the entire city and coaching staff in spite of his mouth. T.O. was the same guy last year in the Super Bowl but all you heard about was his heroic performance after an injury.
And no I’m not an Eagles fan (go Saints)and I personally don’t care for T.O. but let’s be honest…T.O. is getting way too much press for something as simple as “stupid comments”.
True, players commit “bigger” offenses, but few commit more important offenses. How much does snorting some nose canding while stabbing a prostitute who is sucking you off while you hit a police officer with your car affect your gameplay?
Assuming you live and get out of jail somehow, it affects your gameplay very little. Being rude to your team, coach, quarterback, and people that pay the bills does hurt your play though. No matter what anyone says your feelings about the people around you influence how you behave towards them.
I agree with what I heard on ESPN, people will play the rent T.O. for a year game from here on out.[/quote]
I agree. He went too far. But that doesn’t mean some other team wont sign him (Falcons, cough, cough) and put up with his shit. It’ll probably work out ok for a season or two and then things will blow up again. A short contract would be the way to go. The more I’ve thought on it, the more I think it will happen.
[quote]ScrambyEggs wrote:
Unrealated question but how the hell is Dallas in the NFC EAST? hmmmmm…
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I really don’t really know the answer to that. But when they reorganized eve3rything a few years ago - Dallas, NY, Philly, Wash, and what used to be St Louis were all in the NFC east. They kept Dallas in the East because of the classic rivalries within that division.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that - when the AFL and NFL merged in 1970 or so - Dalls was closer to the teams in the east than they were the teams up north, or the ones out west.
Short answer? I don’t have a stinking clue.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
ScrambyEggs wrote:
Unrealated question but how the hell is Dallas in the NFC EAST? hmmmmm…
I really don’t really know the answer to that. But when they reorganized eve3rything a few years ago - Dallas, NY, Philly, Wash, and what used to be St Louis were all in the NFC east. They kept Dallas in the East because of the classic rivalries within that division.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that - when the AFL and NFL merged in 1970 or so - Dalls was closer to the teams in the east than they were the teams up north, or the ones out west.
Short answer? I don’t have a stinking clue.
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The way the NFL was organized fifteen years ago was East, Central, and West. If you looked at the teams, they were not all placed according to their geographic location.
As more teams came into the league, the league tried to balance the divisions with the same number of teams, and I think that this has something to do with it. It was more about balancing the divisions and not shifting the whole league around than worrying about whether Dallas was really in the east, or Arizona for that matter.
In the reorganization a couple years ago, they tried to make it more geographically correct by making four divsions per league, and shifting teams around. But, as Rainjack said, the Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins had far much of a great rivalry going. And Philly to, I guess, during that one year in the 80s they were good.
Other than that they were pretty lacksadaisical for their first 35 years of existence…but I’m a Giants fan I love insulting the Eagles
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Sure he’s a pain in the ass in the locker room, but he is absolute gold on the field. I’m tired of everyone saying the Eagles are better off without him. Yeah, TO’s the reason they can’t get any form of a running game going and their defense has come up short in close games this year. If that bastard would just stop catching touchdowns maybe the Eagles would win a game. [/quote]
Pain in the ass, yes. Absolute gold, no. They would be better off without him. And yep, he is the reason the running game can’t get going.REASON BEING you don’t see the o-line celebrating when T.O. catches a touch down.
What they are thinking is that piece of shit is doing some stupid dance in the endzone again. Teams rally together. Teams win games. My strategy would be let T.O. catch his touchdown because it sure as hell doesn’t get the team going like a 90 yard running drive down the field. Guard T.O. but don’t put too much emphasis on making him the guy too stop, the team doesn’t rally round him anyfreakin way. Stop the run and you’ll break their backs. I’m done explaining.
[quote]panteasniffer wrote:
Pain in the ass, yes. Absolute gold, no. They would be better off without him. And yep, he is the reason the running game can’t get going.REASON BEING you don’t see the o-line celebrating when T.O. catches a touch down.
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Only time will tell whether they are better off without him, we can debate possibilites forever, but until the Eagles get back on track and win a Super Bowl without him, this will not be proven.
Yeah, I’m sure teams love giving up the ninety yard play for a score…it’s like when I used to let the guy get the double chicken wing in on my so I could pull the reversal…what’s that? that’s a dumb idea? you’re right! it is.
Stopping the run is good, losing your top offensive scoring threat, bad. Do you think suspending TO is going to keep teams from keying in on the run? I’d like to hear that strategy played out, we suspended our best receiver, who’s pretty much a guaruntee to score all over the other team in order to get our running game, which has sucked ass all year, going.
Was I the only person who noticed that, even in TO’s apology (which was not even close to genuine) it was still all about HIM and nothing humble?
“It hurts MY feelings…” etc
I hope all the owners stick to their guns on this one (but someone will sell out and sign him).
As for his agent, I’m glad to see reporters ask Rosenhouse why all he has done for his client is “get him kicked off the team”. He’s sidestepping the question, but I hope all the other clients and potential clients are watching.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
rainjack wrote:
This is what happens when you mess with the Cowboys’ home field. God does not take kindly to idiots like Owens showing such disrespect to his team.
I hope that mouthy piece of crap never plays another down in the NFL. Maybe Canada could use an egotistical ass.
I hear thats why the top of Texas Stadium is still left open. So God can watch the Cowboys play.
It is God’s toilet bowl.[/quote]
Brilliant!
DB
[quote]slimjim wrote:
I’d like to hear that strategy played out, we suspended our best receiver, who’s pretty much a guaruntee to score all over the other team in order to get our running game, which has sucked ass all year, going. [/quote]
Just a difference in opinion. How’s he not playing gonna make the running game better? I’ll take it way beyond that. T.O.'s suspension will make Philly’s defense better. I know not everybody on that team likes T.O., if one of the defensive players backs him and one doesn’t there is friction and they are not playing as a unit. It’s a dividing line in the team.
Didn’t Philly win every playoff game except the one T.O. played in (Super
Bowl) last year?
In order to get the running game going they have to actually commit to the run, not try once and then go pass crazy trying to get the ball to TO.
Westbrook is talented, but I don’t know if he can run the ball 30 times a game.
They can still win games without TO, but I think they dug themselves a hole.
I don’t see them getting far even if they pull it together enough to make the playoffs.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
In order to get the running game going they have to actually commit to the run, not try once and then go pass crazy trying to get the ball to TO.
Westbrook is talented, but I don’t know if he can run the ball 30 times a game.
They can still win games without TO, but I think they dug themselves a hole.
I don’t see them getting far even if they pull it together enough to make the playoffs.[/quote]
Westbrook is too small to take the ball 30 downs a game. He will either run out of gas or get injured. Although I do have him for fantasy, so I wouldn’t mind 30+ carries.
[quote]panteasniffer wrote:
Just a difference in opinion. How’s he not playing gonna make the running game better? I’ll take it way beyond that. T.O.'s suspension will make Philly’s defense better. I know not everybody on that team likes T.O., if one of the defensive players backs him and one doesn’t there is friction and they are not playing as a unit. It’s a dividing line in the team.
Didn’t Philly win every playoff game except the one T.O. played in (Super
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I know that Philly may benefit from better cohesion as a team so I’ll agree with you that they may be better off without him in the long run, but this season is looking pretty bad already, and I just think that TO has been villified in the media and spotlighted as a scapegoat for the Eagle’s current season. Flashy “me, me, me” players have become fairly prevelant in the NFL, but TO still plays as hard as he can no matter how idiotic his antics may be.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
panteasniffer wrote:
Just a difference in opinion. How’s he not playing gonna make the running game better? I’ll take it way beyond that. T.O.'s suspension will make Philly’s defense better. I know not everybody on that team likes T.O., if one of the defensive players backs him and one doesn’t there is friction and they are not playing as a unit. It’s a dividing line in the team.
Didn’t Philly win every playoff game except the one T.O. played in (Super
Bowl) last year?
I know that Philly may benefit from better cohesion as a team so I’ll agree with you that they may be better off without him in the long run, but this season is looking pretty bad already, and I just think that TO has been villified in the media and spotlighted as a scapegoat for the Eagle’s current season. Flashy “me, me, me” players have become fairly prevelant in the NFL, but TO still plays as hard as he can no matter how idiotic his antics may be.[/quote]
What did one saggy tit say to the other?
We better perk up before people think we’re nuts…
Hopefully T.O. learns some humility from all this, if for no reason other than to never get himself suspended again.
[quote]skrying wrote:
Hopefully T.O. learns some humility from all this, if for no reason other than to never get himself suspended again.[/quote]
I think TO will have a long time to work on his humility. He won’t see a big payday (in NFL dollars) for at least three seasons, if ever. I really doubt he’ll be offered anything but 1-year deals for the next few seasons, or until he can actually demonstrate an ability to let his play on the field do his talking.
But expecting TO to learn humility is like expecting the Texans to make the playoffs - it could happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
skrying wrote:
Hopefully T.O. learns some humility from all this, if for no reason other than to never get himself suspended again.
I think TO will have a long time to work on his humility. He won’t see a big payday (in NFL dollars) for at least three seasons, if ever. I really doubt he’ll be offered anything but 1-year deals for the next few seasons, or until he can actually demonstrate to let his play on the field do his talking.
But expecting TO to learn humility is like expecting the Texans to make the playoffs - it could happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.[/quote]
I don’t think a guy like T.O will ever learn humility…unless by some act of God he is bagging groceries for the next few years then gets another shot at the NFL.
But more likely, he is going to get a deal, however short term, from some hard up team…unforunately someone like the Packers (my old man roots for them, so I kind of like them). But I still think he screwed himself out of the best deals…not to mention the hall of fame (it was probably possible for him).
Dude, he’ll have the stats to make the hall…it shouldn’t be a popularity contest.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Dude, he’ll have the stats to make the hall…it shouldn’t be a popularity contest.[/quote]
Tell that to Pete Rose.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Why all this hating on TO? The Eagles do a great job of marketing themselves as a blue collar team, but come on, no one in that front office is blue collar. We’re talking about a bunch of suits who make a lot of money off of blue collar players who go out there and risk injury everytime they play. And then they pay these players less than their market value and use the guise of their blue collarism(yeah, yeah, whatever) to justify their position and say these players are spoiled. The NFL is big business these days, and Philly is a money making machine just like any of the big time franchises.
I have a hard time listening to executives talk about spoiled players when they’re sitting in the owner’s box on their asses while these guys are playing, and especially a player who busts his ass on the field. Sure he’s a pain in the ass in the locker room, but he is absolute gold on the field. If they had paid him what he demanded at the beginning of the season, I have no doubt he would’ve killed himself on the field trying to win for them. I think he’s pretty well screwed himself with his conduct over the past couple weeks, but at the same time I’m tired of everyone saying the Eagles are better off without him. Yeah, TO’s the reason they can’t get any form of a running game going and their defense has come up short in close games this year. If that bastard would just stop catching touchdowns maybe the Eagles would win a game. [/quote]
I totally agree! I mean he has alot of baggage that comes with his talent but He was underpaid. His agent was probably also feeding him his anger towards the denial of renegotiating his contract. I mean cmon this is a common thing… How would YOU feel if you were underpaid at your job yet putting out more workload than your co-workers? Also the fact that your co-workers are making more money than you. I also think McNabb is overrated and overpaid but thats another debate. But I can imagine how T.O. felt being underpaid for his talent compared to the rest of the team. I mean I know they already make a ton of money to begin with but lets be real this is pro football. I’m not defending TO but all I’m saying is look at it from all perspectives… All he did was make a bad choice and I think its a lose lose situation for the Eagles and T.O.
Also, does anyone notice a trend here with all philadelphia teams?? They seem to always blow in or near the end and they always have a “Hot Shot” kind of player?? like Allen Iverson… T.O. … Tome… I dunno maybe its just me starting to lose respect for my home teams.