Why can’t we expect the police to perform within the scope of their jobs?
To your greater sentiment, I’m more of a liberty guy. I also don’t believe in banning guns because of a few bad actors. Just not my logical cup of tea.
When a person is driving a motor vehicle, they should be giving full attention to driving the 2 ton machine safely. Pull off the road, and stop. Then give your attention to what is on your mind. It is the driver’s responsibility to follow all police directives. If you are unable to do that, take an Uber. But let someone else drive who is giving his full attention to the road and police.
Nor do I. Plus I don’t believe in banning automobiles because there are a few bad drivers.
Sure, that is the goal. What is your allowable defect rate?
So, if a policeman makes a mistake, you get a Mulligan?
The problem with fallen man is that this is the most important aspect of the Scottie Scheffler traffic situation.
IMO, the most important aspect is follow police directives, or consider that you might be facing consequences.
I was using sarcasm about playing the victim, lol
What if he did follow the police directive and the other officers gave different directives
My best friend who used to be on the force says this happens quite often where one officer gives a driver directions and another officer diwn the line gives a different direction…which then causes alot of confusion
not defending Scheffler as he is at fault, but at 5am on a backroad with blinking lights all over the place…this a state of confusion…its very easy to be on the outside critiquing
If you saw Schefflers interview after his golf round that day…he gave high respects to the officers and the police department
this has nothing to do with him disrespecting law and order
This seems very simple to me. The last officer’s directives are the most timely. But if confused, you could kindly ask for clarification. If he doesn’t want to engage you, follow the last directives. You know that old highway saying, “You can’t out run the radio.” The situation might have changed.
Even if it turns out that Scheffler did nothing wrong at all, I’m not seeing this as the great indictment of QI or any other aspect of the legal framework that @Njord seems to believe it is.
I just don’t see enough information to form an opinion on whether or not there was any police misconduct. Even if there was, I don’t see why an officer’s personal assets should be vulnerable to a lawsuit.
There’s a lot of possibilities.
It wouldn’t be the first time a trained human did not act in accordance with his training. It wouldn’t be the first time a rich celebrity felt entitled to special treatment. It wouldn’t be the first time someone tried to blame someone else for their own mistake. It wouldn’t be the first time a problem goes away the same time that a bag of cash appears.
All kinds of explanations exist and I have no idea what happened based off of any of the coverage or video I’ve seen. We have a court system to address situations where suspicion of criminal activity is present and differing accounts of events exist.
The fact that knee-jerk reactions automatically favored the police, with all the face value “but their jobs are hard” responses, despite the officer doing the stupid thing, would absolutely feed directly in to the questions and framework originally asked in my first post.
How do you know that the officer did a stupid thing?
Which is exactly why a higher level of accountability should be expected.
I usually hate answering questions with questions so my apologies in advance, but will you please explain to me how it is smart to try to physically stop a vehicle with your body? I’m open to hearing any scenario.
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If the officer was issuing a lawful command and was acting lawfully by reaching into the vehicle. Was it stopped when he reached? Slowly rolling? Did he even reach into the vehicle in the first place? Was he dragged 40 yards or not?
I have no idea. I haven’t seen anything resembling a clear fact that informs me of what actually took place, other than an arrest.
I think you are confusing a reluctance to agree with your assessment of the situation with a belief that cops should be given complete leeway with their conduct. I’m not getting the impression that anyone here believes that police are somehow immune to human behavior.
So you do agree that police should be held accountable for mistakes?
Yes.
That’s not mutually exclusive with supporting the concept of qualified immunity.
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He was not pulled over. You have not read the media reports and should therefore refrain from commenting.
Please cite any news media reports that support these statements.