I’m not certain, and I’ve taken care to mention “based on accounts I’ve read” intentionally. And I’m basing conversation points around available info. I’m sure there is a lot of detail otherwise, and will be happy to see it come to light. I do think it’s too early to just assume an assault charge is warranted. For all the reasons you just mentioned.
My pickup will go 30 yards in a matter of seconds. I used to have a BMW that would do it in less seconds. Not sure what Scottie was driving but he is a PGA golfer, so a pickup or BMW could be pretty likely. I’m pretty sure even Corollas and Civics can travel 40 yards quickly.
Especially when you calculate brake time and distance. Guy would’ve been braking almost the entire time, so I don’t see the presumed intentionality.
I’ve mentioned the same and will reiterate that I believe he should be ticketed or charged, whichever is legally appropriate, for his refusal to stop. According to what I’ve read. I’ve seen mention of conflicting instruction, but that’s a can of worms I haven’t looked in to.
My contention is that the officer is also charging with him with assault when the officer grabbed the car himself. Seems overreaching, and problematic. To me this would be like the officer taking a weapon Scottie was carrying from Scottie, shooting himself with it and then blaming Scottie for having a weapon for the officer to take and shoot himself with.
I don’t know. It’s pretty easy to bullet point most responses down to “hard job, not responsible in the moment” to me.
I don’t see enough information for me to draw the kind of conclusions you are.
He dragged a cop with his car, among other things. He was arrested for it. Sorting out the details and determining whether or not a crime was committed is the entire point of having a court system.
Given the information I can access, I’m not seeing this case as indicative of anything besides the system actually working as intended.
Let’s assume Scottie was going 10mph. If you believe he was going faster, your burden is answering how the police could have got his arm into a moving car with any expectation of stopping the car without injuring himself.
Now let’s do some simple calculations:
10mph is 5,280 feet times 10 miles or 52,800 feet covered in one hour.
There are 3,600 seconds in an hour.
So in one second the car would have travelled 52,800 feet divided by 3,600 seconds, or 14.67 feet every second.
But the car travelled 30 to 40 yards, or 90 to 120 feet.
At 14.67 feet travelled every second, it would take 6.1 seconds to travel 30 yards and 8.2 seconds to travel 40 yards.
Give me a break. So Scottie travelled for 6 to 8 seconds with the officer hanging onto the car.
I don’t have time to check your math right now, but as long as we are assuming, we can also assume that Scottie began driving, the officer reached in to his car most likely in an attempt to turn his keys and his arm got stuck. Scottie likely didn’t cruise at an even 10mph, but was accelerating, and the make & model of his car will alter your math. You can cover 30 yards from 0 mph pretty quickly in virtually any modern vehicle. Then you calculate his own response time to the situation and braking and yeah, it’s reasonable.
In any case, the officer did it to himself. If we are still assuming, he’s filing charges to pass the onus of responsibility strategically. He fucked up. Specifically around the assault charge.
Seems like none of you have seen the video released yesterday. It’ll change your minds. The cop flat out lied.
And FWIW, it is SOP for tour pros to drive around traffic jams at tournaments to enter the golf course where only tour pros and caddies are allowed to enter. The video corroborates schefflers story that he thought he was being waved on and so he drove slowly toward the entrance and then stopped when the officer banged on his window. The cop flat out lied. The damage to his pants was probably from the fire caused by being a liarliar.
Wow! That is out there. So, in the median (not the road) a policeman sticks his hand in the window and Scottie steps on the accelerator.
Calculate it then. Simply, if you start at 0 mph and and get up to 20mph (now this is fast for travelling in the median), you are averaging 10mph through that distance. Exactly the same time frame, 6 to 8 seconds.
Quit trying to put all this on the police.
That should take all of 60 seconds to do so. You could have checked the “arithmetic” in 1/4th the time you made the post.
The news i heard
-an officer gave scheffler instructions
-scheffler followed those instructions
-another officer (a detective) that was not dressed as the officers were, told scheffler to stop, then put his hands on the vehicle
-dragged the detective(heard this was false)
-detective got pissed and aggressively opened the car door, pulled scheffler out and forced him against the car and handcuffed him
In ideal conditions a good 60ft time at the drag strip for a production car on street tires is 2 seconds, and that is 2/3rds or 1/2 the distance. So even as an accomplished drag racer on a prepped track that accounts for 2 seconds that Scottie could have braked.
Right. And as mentioned, I think Scottie should be ticketed/prosecuted for failure to stop (unless the new developments are true), but given the info the post was started around for sure. Charging him with assault is overreach. I agree three wrongs don’t make a right, and each party is responsible for their own action. The cop fucked up.
A drag strip is a controlled environment. You’re completely ignoring the fact other factors were at play likely requiring Scottie’s attention and you’re ignoring response and reaction time considering. Too many variables. You wouldn’t do this if the tables were turned (and neither would I).
I legitimately don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to admit police make mistakes, and that when they do make a mistake it’s theirs to own. This doesn’t make you anti-police or threaten team standing in a political Super Bowl narrative, it’s simply reality.
I am very passionate about this subject.
I believe this is one of the roots of this country’s problems. If we focus on the faults of the police, the members of our country who tend to bend the law as much as they can get away with will be further emboldened.
If we believe that we are victims of the police, which in terms plays out as law and order, the police become the enemy.
It isn’t like we cannot see the anarchy going on in America, especially where those who are less economically independent live.
Respect for the police needs to be a core value in America.
Sure, the fewer mistakes the police make would be very welcome. But we cannot become victims. It isn’t always about “me.” As a country, it is about “US.” No pun intended. Okay, maybe it was.