Exactly… it’s like Google doesn’t exist or something.
Saying that is different from the idea that less-than-ideal tactics should excuse the actions of offenders.
This golfer is an entitled asshole.
He broke traffic law. When a cop pulls you over you fucking pull over and stay where you are until the officer releases you.
I feel so bad for police officers having to deal with this type of bullshit all while being under extra scrutiny from everyone nearby that has their phone camera rolling.
I can’t even believe this is a discussion. The dude should be in jail.
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This
Unfortunately, we have far too many unenlightened cretins floating around that don’t understand a very simple concept
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Thats not on the golfer, thats on the police department
I agree he should have been arrested, but thats on the police department
What’s in the Police? The golfer breaking traffic law and then not obeying a directive from the police after he is pulled over?
That’s not what I’m saying.
I’m saying that declaring particular behaviors as criminal and imposing penalties for them removes incentives for the behavior.
This basic notion is known to be true even among other mammals who cannot speak but can be seen enforcing their social order by imposing consequences. Wolves would be a clear example of animals using “laws” and “consequences” to shape wolf society in a way that is broadly beneficial to wolves, even though it may destroy a wolf in the process.
Determining who is at fault is not the job of the police officer or the person interacting with them. That’s why we have a court system.
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This is exactly what I’m saying.
Depends on the situation. It’s hard to communicate overall sentiment in a forum chat.
My stance given available information here is that Scottie should be ticketed/prosecuted for any laws he did break, but I would challenge the assault charge as a consequence of the officer making a dumbass decision, not Scottie. At least 50/50 in this scenario. If that makes me anti-police, then sure.
Well this didn’t take long. I don’t see George Floyd in this scenario. And for the record I think Chauvin’s prosecution was bullshit.
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He was handcuffed, placed in the backseat of a patrol car, taken to the police station, put in orange clothes, finger printed, photo taken and released two hours later
Him not being jail as you stated he should be, is on the police department…not on him
That’s a court/law issue. Apparently, someone(not sure how it works in that State) found probable cause to issue such. That doesn’t mean he’s guilty of it. Probable cause does not mean guilty, which is an issue people frequently misunderstand.
Ok. I didn’t fully understand your point. I’m agreement with you.
I’m not sure how things work in that State, but police departments don’t usually determine whether someone is kept in jail.
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What’s on the police department?
Just out of curiosity, how many people managed to get themselves arrested for failing to follow police directives (that weren’t involved in the actual accident that caused the traffic jam)?
As I see it Scottie went out of his way to get arrested. If he were my son, I would have asked him, “Were you trying to get arrested?” Had he not been arrested, it would have been out of the discretion of the police officer.
We probably agree more than disagree based on this post.
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Should discernment be part and partial to our justice system, or should the police just do whatever they want, chalk it off as “my job is hard” and wash their hands for courts to pick up the pieces?
Is there a line where you would say a modicum of accountability for outcome could be expected from police? If so, how do you define that line and why?
Most of the questions you are asking have already been thought through and taken into account within the legal system.
People have been successfully suing police departments and related entities for officer misconduct for a very long time.
Nobody is suggesting that police should…
That is a straw man position held by nobody of note.
Would you agree that allowing the police to act out of line and then take a reactive stance of response and remediation, often behind immunity, leaves an undue burden of responsibility to use the courts in the event that it was the police officer making a bad call and fucking up? For example, attaching oneself to a moving or engaged vehicle in a non violent traffic stop and then filing charges when you hurt yourself?
This is the prevailing sentiment of the chat.
Are you certain that’s what happened in this case? I haven’t seen any video of the alleged assault. What is your source of information?
I’ve driven cars quite a bit and I’m having a hard time understanding how I could accidentally drag someone 30-40 yards with my vehicle.
I’m having a hard time understand how that is a reasonable course of action in the context of the situation. It seems as though Schleffer believed that hitting tiny balls was much more important than the police work taking place at the fatal accident. He seemed to feel entitled to exemption from all of the lawful and reasonable commands he was being asked to comply with.
I also disagree with your interpretation of the “sentiments” being expressed in this thread. Maybe I’m just not as adept at reading between the lines as you are.