School Shooting in Connecticut

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I’m on page 24 of this thread and notice people are arguing about teachers carrying guns in class. How about this: Eliminate public schools. Parents teach their own children, or join forces with other parents to erect a structure in which their children can attend classes taught by someone that group of parents hires.

The parents can then elect to carry a gun(or not) while teaching their children, or decide whether to allow hired instructors to carry a gun while teaching their children. At the very least, make schooling a local issue and allow the residents of each community do decide whether or not their tax money will go towards public schools in that community. Then all issues regarding that community’s schools can be decided by members of that community.

It’s funny how localizing or privatizing a local issue, like schooling, seems like it could go a long way toward solving related problems. Maybe the government doesn’t need to be involved in everything?

Edit: As I read further, it appeared people were still debating regulation.

For those of you who want regulation, where does the regulation end? If the government waves a magic wand and eliminates possession of firearms, a crossbow(or whatever) will become the weapon of choice. If x number of people are killed by firearms each year, x-y(y being the number of deaths while firearms were allowed minus the number of deaths/year after elimination) will equal z. Z will most likely not be 0, but will the new number be acceptable?

If it’s not, but eliminating one weapon reduced the death toll by one percent, why not eliminate the next object that can be used as a weapon? Is z the amount of people we are willing to allow to die each year in senseless crimes? I believe not. What if z actually becomes a larger number than x, and people realize that their good intentions have not worked as planned? Do you think you are getting your firearms back after giving them up?

What could control violence amongst common citizens better than locking them up? The ruling class could watch over you, feed you, etc. It would be best if you not be allowed to run free, however, due to the possibility you could hurt yourself or someone else. After all, you’re not as good or smart as your rulers. With so many people locked away, maintaining them will probably be hard for the rulers to do. Good thing they still have weapons to use for decreasing the population.

Even the peasants in the cells would probably figure out they were allowing people to starve if that was the only way to deal with the cost of maintaining people. The best solution might be to take the biggest burdens out for some ‘exercise’(shoot him, hang him, whatever), then explain to the other peasants that “Burden A” ran away and will probably not return because of all the evil he will encounter.

There is a logical end to the slippery slope of regulation, and improvement is not it.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
I’m on page 24 of this thread and notice people are arguing about teachers carrying guns in class. How about this: Eliminate public schools. Parents teach their own children, or join forces with other parents to erect a structure in which their children can attend classes taught by someone that group of parents hires. The parents can then elect to carry a gun(or not) while teaching their children, or decide whether to allow hired instructors to carry a gun while teaching their children. At the very least, make schooling a local issue and allow the residents of each community do decide whether or not their tax money will go towards public schools in that community. Then all issues regarding that community’s schools can be decided by members of that community.

It’s funny how localizing or privatizing a local issue, like schooling, seems like it could go a long way toward solving related problems. Maybe the government doesn’t need to be involved in everything?[/quote]

I think this would be great, particularly if we received tax vouchers for this purpose.

Unfortunately, it’s not a realistic option in today’s society.

Tax vouchers for private schools would be more realistic, but would still not really solve the problem we are discussing here.

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Cortes, you’re one of my favorite people on this site(I’ve read T-Nation for years). What problem would it not solve, though?(solve meaning greatly reduce, as I can’t think of a way to eliminate all potential danger, other than what I proposed in my edited post above)

Parental Group A wants their children to learn in a bullet proof hut with armed guards in towers around the perimeter of the property. It’s going to be damned near impossible for Skinny Freak B to get in and kill anyone.

There is no way for society to solve all problems. If you believe in the God that I do, then you probably believe that you will only find problem-free society when you depart this world.

Also, if schooling is localized, why would tax vouchers be needed? I may not have clarified, but in my solution whatever tax money goes towards schools would stop being taken from people if they decide to not have public schools. What may be discovered in such a situation is that much less general education than thought is actually necessary.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:
Cortes, you’re one of my favorite people on this site(I’ve read T-Nation for years). What problem would it not solve, though?(solve meaning greatly reduce, as I can’t think of a way to eliminate all potential danger other than suicide or the solution in my edited post above)

Parental Group A wants their children to learn in a bullet proof hut with armed guards in towers around the perimeter of the property. It’s going to be damned near impossible for Skinny Freak B to get in and kill anyone.

There is no way for society to solve all problems. If you believe in the God that I do, then you probably believe that you will only find problem-free society when you depart this world. [/quote]

Thank you very much for the compliment.

I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said, I just think that your ideal solution is, well, idealistic (it will not happen in today’s America), while the more realistic one (voucher system and privatization of education) is not really changing the root problem, which is that crazies like this kid who want to kill a lot of people will find a way to.

The problem that NEEDS to be addressed I don’t see really getting addressed, either, because we live in a more selfish society than we ever have before. Too many people are more interested in cosmetic solutions to serious problems than taking a hard, honest look at themselves and admitting that we have become a nation of spoiled, entitled, latchkey kids; who grow up in broken families, raised by absentee parents; who mature ever later and have less sense of who they are or where they are going now than at any other time in history. Who are never at fault for anything, always a victim.

It’s been hit upon here and there in this thread and the Gun Control thread over in PWI, but until we reinstate personal responsibility to self, family and community not only as a worthy virtue but back that value up with the punishment of public shame, not a damned thing is changing.

We’re better off being ready as individuals than worrying about building protective fortresses out of playing cards. And the best way to do that is to keep populist legislators from putting up a bunch of barriers to our personal safety like unconstitutional restrictions upon our right to defend our very lives and those of our family and neighbors.

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Looking at what you’ve said, again, Nick, we appear to be saying pretty much the same thing. I’m only arguing that there is not much to be done on a societal level. Individually, though? If we can keep the damned lawmakers out of the way, then yes, your ideas are excellent ones.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

Also, if schooling is localized, why would tax vouchers be needed? I may not have clarified, but in my solution whatever tax money goes towards schools would stop being taken from people if they decide to not have public schools. What may be discovered in such a situation is that much less general education than thought is actually necessary.[/quote]

This is probably an argument for PWI and not this thread, but generally speaking, completely doing away with any taxes related toward education and allowing people the full responsibility to make their own educational decisions is probably not the best idea, at least from a Conservative perspective like mine. It’s an almost anarcho-libertarian idea. And while it may speak to “freedom” in one sense, it is an extremely idealistic view of humans as a species to think that money would not end up squandered and abused by many, probably most parents. Even the better intentioned ones would have this or that “emergency” come up that would “require” them to use that cash. I would rather have the majority of our kids at least get a basic education, for the good of society in general.

Now whether they are getting that NOW is certainly up for argument.

It would also create a starkly stratified society, in which those who already have money can afford an education for their kids, regardless; while the poor kids would end up with even less schooling than they are receiving now.

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Not to take away from this very sad incident, but why is it that we suffer from selective outrage
when this happens to Americans? The recent horrific incidents in China rival the tragedy here
and the U.S. media mostly ignored it, and how ELSE are we supposed to expect most youth in america
to act and behave when they are now taught moral relativism in Schools and that we are descended from Apes?

I’m suprised it didn’t happen sooner, but it did, now all of a sudden everyone’s scratching their heads and
coming up with all kinds of ideas and theories now because this didn’t happen in the Ghetto, the
areas we don’t give a shit about where thousands of innocent children have been gunned down in cold blood as well in the last few decades, it’s only when it happens ALL AT ONCE that society goes batshit crazy and scream
“Its an outrage” that we only begin to care and shout at the top of our lungs for some kind of change.
Hypocrisy at it’s most blatant.

We will never forget this, but let’s not forget the helpless Chinese victims as well…ALL murdered Kids
all over should be remembered, not just ours…as if we are a special society or something, an american society that allowed the legal murder of 4000 aborted Children in the womb the very same day of the massacre, and 53 Million aborted Children in the last 40 years…It’s only when they are barely outside the womb that we “care” about them, “love” them, and when complete strangers make self-righteous “lists” of their names to remember them.

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[quote]Karado wrote:
Not to take away from this very sad incident, but why is it that we suffer from selective outrage
when this happens to Americans? The recent horrific incidents in China rival the tragedy here
and the U.S. media mostly ignored it, and how ELSE are we supposed to expect most youth in america
to act and behave when they are now taught moral relativism in Schools and that we are descended from Apes?
I’m suprised it didn’t happen sooner, but it did, now all of a sudden everyone’s scratching their heads and
coming up with all kinds of ideas and theories now because this didn’t happen in the Ghetto, the
areas we don’t give a shit about where thousands of innocent children have been gunned down in cold blood as well in the last few decades, it’s only when it happens ALL AT ONCE that society goes batshit crazy and scream
“Its an outrage” that we only begin to care and shout at the top of our lungs for some kind of change.
Hypocrisy at it’s most blatant.

We will never forget this, but let’s not forget the helpless Chinese victims as well…ALL murdered Kids
all over should be remembered, not just ours…as if we are a special society or something, an american society that allowed the legal murder of 4000 aborted Children in the womb the very same day of the massacre, and 53 Million aborted Children in the last 40 years…It’s only when they are barely outside the womb that we “care” about them, “love” them, and when complete strangers make self-righteous “lists” of their names to remember them.

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[WARNING: DO NOT CLICK LINK IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH. VERY DISTURBING CONTENTS. You were warned]

http://www.womensrightswithoutfrontiers.org/blog/?p=667

Because we are Americans.

I’ve expressed my outrage over China’s far more atrocious policy of child-murder and life destruction. That country has so many problems no one could keep up with all of the screwed up crap that goes on over there. It’s easier and, dare I say, normal to deal with the stuff that affects and touches you directly.

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wtf???

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I fully expect these type of events to increase in China five fold.

Explosion of technological advancements in China + female deficit due to sex-selective abortion/ 1 child policy = more loner psychopaths

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Feels like on a daily basis I’m reminded of how unbelievably power the law of unintended consequences truly is

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NEWTOWN, Conn. ? The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer?s family and several of the victims? families.

Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school ?more than she loved him,? said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims’ families worship.

?From what I’ve been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.?

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza’s anger at his mother over plans for ?his future mental health treatment? is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

[pullquote]

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza’s victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school?s principal and psychologist?both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

“Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed,” Flashman said. “I could understand how he might perceive that?that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn?t take care of him by herself anymore.”

The Washington Post reported that the distraught mother had considered moving with her son to Washington state, where she had found a school she thought could help him. Either way, according to Flashman, Nancy Lanza was at her wit’s end.

A separate neighborhood source also told FoxNews.com that Nancy Lanza had come to the realization she could no longer handle her son alone. She was caring for him full-time, but told friends she needed help. She was planning to have him involuntarily hospitalized, according to the source, who did not know if she had taken formal steps.

SEND TIPS TO NEWSMANAGER@FOXNEWS.COM

Multiple sources told FoxNews.com Adam Lanza suffered from Asperger?s syndrome, a form of autism, and unspecified mental and emotional problems.

Adam Lanza has also been described by those who knew him as highly intelligent, and a spokesman for Western Connecticut State University told The Associated Press he took college classes there when he was 16, earning a 3.26 grade point average and excelling at a computer course.

Alan Diaz, 20, who was friends with Adam Lanza at Newtown High School, said the Lanza he knew was ill-at-ease socially, but not a monster.

“He was a wicked smart kid,” Diaz told FoxNews.com by email. "When I first met him, he wouldn’t even look at you when you tried to talk to him. Over the year I knew him, he became used to me and my other friends, he eventually could have full conversations with us.

“I’ve heard him laugh, he has even comforted me once in a hard time I had,” Diaz said. ?A big part of me wishes I never dropped contact with him after he left high school, felt like I could have done something."

Flashman said nobody will completely understand why Adam did what he did.

?No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don?t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/print#ixzz2FbXD0EYP

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

Adam was in the autistic range. I actually was wondering with the huge rise in autism if this has anything to do with these really bright kids committing atrocities.[/quote]

I think this is a fascinating questions. The Batman shooter’s dad is a genius who works for FICO. James Holmes himself was working on his doctorate dissertation (this is from memory, I may be wrong). Adam Lanza’s dad is no dumb cookie, the guy was taking in nearly $500k/year and his mom was a trader.

So we have two terribly bright individuals with 2 sets of extremely bright parents committing these acts.[/quote]

I have heard that “high functioning brains” are more susceptible to mental instability. I would hate for people to blame autism though… Surely there were other psychiatric forces at play in this kid’s mind. I have never thought of autism as something that made people dangerous.[/quote]

I have seen that “high functioning brains” come at the high cost of being grossly underdeveloped emotionally.

Much like the body builder that focus on one body part only.
That creates huge weakness.

Whilst these parents with gigantic brains may be able to intellectualize emotion, I question whether their children can ever feel their love.

Rejection is an ever present constant.

Intelligence is a shallow as beauty is.

All of you who have been in a relationship with a beautiful person who has only relied and developed their looks, ask yourself how meaningful and how loved, and how real did you feel with that person.

Now imagine the cold world of the children of high minded intellectuals.
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I’ve seen studies that suggested a group of students with IQs between the range of 140-150 performed better in nearly every aspect. Athletically, emotionally, socially, and of course academically. I was in a college prep school with these geniuses too and they were very down to earth, sensible, and amicable.

I’m just not buying into that one.

The deal with a criminally violent smart person is that they are capable of doing so much more harm. If you’ve ever known anyone that’s worked in a prison or do it yourself, you quickly realize that most criminals are… well… dumb.

The most violent IQ range is actually 75-90. That is if it’s not from some sort of disability and they just got there because that happened to be where they fell on the bell curve. [/quote]

140-150 IQ is not genius, just above average. On all other accounts I agree with you.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

I don’t know how much you can put into the intelligence of this guy anyhow. All I’ve heard is he took a few college courses and had a 3.25 GPA as a teenager. That’s not exactly genius level. [/quote]

I was mostly going off the interview they did with a childhood friend who said he was wicked smart. Aside from that, grades may or may not show someones intelligence. Many very smart people lack the motivation for good grades.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
NEWTOWN, Conn. ? The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer?s family and several of the victims? families.

Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school ?more than she loved him,? said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims’ families worship.

?From what I’ve been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.?

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza’s anger at his mother over plans for ?his future mental health treatment? is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

[pullquote]

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza’s victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school?s principal and psychologist?both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

“Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed,” Flashman said. “I could understand how he might perceive that?that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn?t take care of him by herself anymore.”

The Washington Post reported that the distraught mother had considered moving with her son to Washington state, where she had found a school she thought could help him. Either way, according to Flashman, Nancy Lanza was at her wit’s end.

A separate neighborhood source also told FoxNews.com that Nancy Lanza had come to the realization she could no longer handle her son alone. She was caring for him full-time, but told friends she needed help. She was planning to have him involuntarily hospitalized, according to the source, who did not know if she had taken formal steps.

SEND TIPS TO NEWSMANAGER@FOXNEWS.COM

Multiple sources told FoxNews.com Adam Lanza suffered from Asperger?s syndrome, a form of autism, and unspecified mental and emotional problems.

Adam Lanza has also been described by those who knew him as highly intelligent, and a spokesman for Western Connecticut State University told The Associated Press he took college classes there when he was 16, earning a 3.26 grade point average and excelling at a computer course.

Alan Diaz, 20, who was friends with Adam Lanza at Newtown High School, said the Lanza he knew was ill-at-ease socially, but not a monster.

“He was a wicked smart kid,” Diaz told FoxNews.com by email. "When I first met him, he wouldn’t even look at you when you tried to talk to him. Over the year I knew him, he became used to me and my other friends, he eventually could have full conversations with us.

“I’ve heard him laugh, he has even comforted me once in a hard time I had,” Diaz said. ?A big part of me wishes I never dropped contact with him after he left high school, felt like I could have done something."

Flashman said nobody will completely understand why Adam did what he did.

?No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don?t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/print#ixzz2FbXD0EYP
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“We’re going to talk to another 20 someting white male in the community… This Flashman Kid will work, he’s a Marine, a Pastors son, that’ll make him look like an authority in regards to the shooter! Middle America will eat this up! End the Article with Flashman using a quote that every coach or athlete uses when THEY DON’T KNOW DICK AND SHOULDN’T BE TALKING ABOUT THE MOTHERFUCKING TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE and we’ll have something that will be linked and copied at least into Friday when we can find a more credible source that wants to talk.”

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
NEWTOWN, Conn. ? The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer?s family and several of the victims? families.

Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school ?more than she loved him,? said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims’ families worship.

?From what I’ve been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.?

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza’s anger at his mother over plans for ?his future mental health treatment? is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

[pullquote]

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza’s victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school?s principal and psychologist?both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

“Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed,” Flashman said. “I could understand how he might perceive that?that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn?t take care of him by herself anymore.”

The Washington Post reported that the distraught mother had considered moving with her son to Washington state, where she had found a school she thought could help him. Either way, according to Flashman, Nancy Lanza was at her wit’s end.

A separate neighborhood source also told FoxNews.com that Nancy Lanza had come to the realization she could no longer handle her son alone. She was caring for him full-time, but told friends she needed help. She was planning to have him involuntarily hospitalized, according to the source, who did not know if she had taken formal steps.

SEND TIPS TO NEWSMANAGER@FOXNEWS.COM

Multiple sources told FoxNews.com Adam Lanza suffered from Asperger?s syndrome, a form of autism, and unspecified mental and emotional problems.

Adam Lanza has also been described by those who knew him as highly intelligent, and a spokesman for Western Connecticut State University told The Associated Press he took college classes there when he was 16, earning a 3.26 grade point average and excelling at a computer course.

Alan Diaz, 20, who was friends with Adam Lanza at Newtown High School, said the Lanza he knew was ill-at-ease socially, but not a monster.

“He was a wicked smart kid,” Diaz told FoxNews.com by email. "When I first met him, he wouldn’t even look at you when you tried to talk to him. Over the year I knew him, he became used to me and my other friends, he eventually could have full conversations with us.

“I’ve heard him laugh, he has even comforted me once in a hard time I had,” Diaz said. ?A big part of me wishes I never dropped contact with him after he left high school, felt like I could have done something."

Flashman said nobody will completely understand why Adam did what he did.

?No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don?t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/print#ixzz2FbXD0EYP
[/quote]

“We’re going to talk to another 20 someting white male in the community… This Flashman Kid will work, he’s a Marine, a Pastors son, that’ll make him look like an authority in regards to the shooter! Middle America will eat this up! End the Article with Flashman using a quote that every coach or athlete uses when THEY DON’T KNOW DICK AND SHOULDN’T BE TALKING ABOUT THE MOTHERFUCKING TOPIC IN THE FIRST PLACE and we’ll have something that will be linked and copied at least into Friday when we can find a more credible source that wants to talk.”

[/quote]

Whoops and what do you know it looks like this dude is a fucking 2nd Amendment and Militia activist, complete with a fucking Manifesto.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-819622

http://ireport.cnn.com/people/CTMarine87

And Heavy.com got the jump on this guy as well.

So, what is Foxnews trying to do? What is Flashman trying to do? Who cares, it’s not worth my attention beyond what I posted

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And FTR I’m not for Gun Control.

But I’m definitely for “wanna find a way to get on the news guess I’ll talk to Fox News and retract my statements in the comments section douchebag” control.

You don’t retire from the Marines at 25. You’re either honorably, dishonorably, or medically dischaged, OR separated administratively for a miriad of reasons. This Flashman kid feels like a kid who couldn’t hack it and hustled back home to pull pussy with an Eagle Globe and Anchor Tattoo and a couple bootcamp stories.

I’m not accusing, just speculating.

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Here’s a couple Flashman quotes:

“I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza’s motive, & next thing I know, I’m ‘intimately aquainted’ with the Lanza family and knew Adam’s motives first hand. Funny, I didn’t know that!”

“Fox approached ME and spent TWO DAYS trying to convince me to go on the record. But I just wanted to get on tv, right?”

I doubt he’s a bad guy. I don’t doubt Fox tried to exploit him for a bigger story than they had.

I’m not accusing you of being completely full of shit BradTGIF, I’m only speculating that you are.

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Man, it’s brutal that as the general public, we know we’re getting played, but we have no idea by whom. Flashman, Fox, the Washington Post, the “family friend” quoted in the Post story…

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Here’s a couple Flashman quotes:

“I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza’s motive, & next thing I know, I’m ‘intimately aquainted’ with the Lanza family and knew Adam’s motives first hand. Funny, I didn’t know that!”

“Fox approached ME and spent TWO DAYS trying to convince me to go on the record. But I just wanted to get on tv, right?”

I doubt he’s a bad guy. I don’t doubt Fox tried to exploit him for a bigger story than they had.

I’m not accusing you of being completely full of shit BradTGIF, I’m only speculating that you are.[/quote]

Then why talk to Fox at all? And why give them so much quotable stuff? He’s not denying the things he told them, only how he was associated with the shooter.