School Shooting in Connecticut

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Back on topic… and WTF? No wonder!

I think the barber is nuts.

From the article: He wishes he’d have killed Adam.

“I wish I would’ve killed him then,” he says…

“It would’ve saved all those kids and parents the trouble. I should’ve slipped and stabbed him by accident. It would’ve been a lot better for those people.”
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The barber is almost certainly as normal as can be. He sounds to me like a talkative, emotional man who is speaking in the wake of a tragedy that affects him very personally. That’s pretty much exactly the kind of stuff I would have expected him to say.[/quote]

Right, normal.

God help the parent of the autistic child who walks into his barbershop unknowingly.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Right, normal.

God help the parent of the autistic child who walks into his barbershop unknowingly.
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He never mentioned autism once. He’s very affected by what happened and he’s trying to be tough about it. Don’t pretend like you know anything about this person or what he’s going through or what a typical response would be.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Teachers and other staff should not be forced to carry. [/quote]

Good grief.

Point out one place this has been suggested.
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I like how the anti-gun wackos create straw men (“all teachers must carry”) then proceed to argue that their straw man is the real point of conservatives.

No one is saying “all teachers must be armed,” nor is that remotely implied.

Those teachers with the inclination to be armed and who have proven ability and sanity to be safely armed, however, should be permitted, if not encouraged, to be armed.

The “gun free” zones are a proven failure. A “feel good” idea that just didn’t work.

All that has happened is the normal people obey the law and killers go there in order to find defenseless prey.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

In other words, no, nobody said teachers should be FORCED to do anything.

My brother is a teacher and has a CCW, and carries where ever it is legal to carry. He is an extremely competent shooter. I guarantee you he’d carry at the high school he teaches at, if he could. I guarantee you there are others like him. It only takes three or four. Hell, it only takes one competent shooter, but three or four is certainly better.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Teachers and other staff should not be forced to carry. [/quote]

Good grief.

Point out one place this has been suggested.
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Wow. Just pick out one sentence as if context means nothing. That happens when you stop after the first sentence (they have meds to help with attention span). BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Please tell me the point of starting a paragraph with a sentence that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Because nobody was talking about FORCING teachers to do anything.

When the first sentence of a paragraph is bullshit, I know I don’t have to read any further. [/quote]
I won’t tell you anything. I shouldn’t have to as I already posted it. You are obviously not bright enough for me to waste my time if you can’t read more than one sentence at a time.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry. [/quote]

He’s taking the liberty of saying it for them.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Back on topic… and WTF? No wonder!

I think the barber is nuts.

From the article: He wishes he’d have killed Adam.

“I wish I would’ve killed him then,” he says…

“It would’ve saved all those kids and parents the trouble. I should’ve slipped and stabbed him by accident. It would’ve been a lot better for those people.”
[/quote]

The barber is almost certainly as normal as can be. He sounds to me like a talkative, emotional man who is speaking in the wake of a tragedy that affects him very personally. That’s pretty much exactly the kind of stuff I would have expected him to say.[/quote]

Right, normal.

God help the parent of the autistic child who walks into his barbershop unknowingly.
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He wouldn’t have really hurt anyone. He’s just expressing his emotion and wishes he could have done something to save the lives of those kids. Nothing wrong with that at all. We need a little colorful expression now and then to relieve the tension of a terrible tragedy. He sounds like an alright guy to me.

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

In other words, no, nobody said teachers should be FORCED to do anything.

My brother is a teacher and has a CCW, and carries where ever it is legal to carry. He is an extremely competent shooter. I guarantee you he’d carry at the high school he teaches at, if he could. I guarantee you there are others like him. It only takes three or four. Hell, it only takes one competent shooter, but three or four is certainly better. [/quote]
This is why I said you aren’t that bright. If you actually read what I posted you’d see just how unnecessary your post was.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Teachers and other staff should not be forced to carry. [/quote]

Good grief.

Point out one place this has been suggested.
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Wow. Just pick out one sentence as if context means nothing. That happens when you stop after the first sentence (they have meds to help with attention span). BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Please tell me the point of starting a paragraph with a sentence that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Because nobody was talking about FORCING teachers to do anything.

When the first sentence of a paragraph is bullshit, I know I don’t have to read any further. [/quote]
I won’t tell you anything. I shouldn’t have to as I already posted it. You are obviously not bright enough for me to waste my time if you can’t read more than one sentence at a time. [/quote]

Good comeback, dude.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly.

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Uh huh.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry. [/quote]

He’s taking the liberty of saying it for them.[/quote]

Straw men are easier to knock down, that’s for sure.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry. [/quote]
People have said it in interviews on the news. However, I simply opened my post with that statement to present my position on the topic. Was I stating the obvious? I believe I said as much in the following sentence.

Funny how I post that teachers should have the option to carry and those who agree are attacking me. Reading is not so fundamental.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
BTW, when someone suggests that teachers SHOULD carry, are they not teetering on saying they should be forced? Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

In other words, no, nobody said teachers should be FORCED to do anything.

My brother is a teacher and has a CCW, and carries where ever it is legal to carry. He is an extremely competent shooter. I guarantee you he’d carry at the high school he teaches at, if he could. I guarantee you there are others like him. It only takes three or four. Hell, it only takes one competent shooter, but three or four is certainly better. [/quote]
This is why I said you aren’t that bright. If you actually read what I posted you’d see just how unnecessary your post was. [/quote]

Glad you agree with someone who is not so bright.


I think the barber should have his barber’s license revoked.
I mean have you seen the shooter’s hair?

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
The idea of teachers with guns is a non-starter for all the reasons listed in this thread and more. It works in Israel because there is mandatory conscription for Israeli citizens aged 18 and over. There is exactly %0 chance that the vast majority of teachers either want to be armed or have the training to warrant being armed.[/quote]

You don’t need “all” or even a majority. Just some.

I hunted terrorists for a living. Just like nuts, they looks for “soft” targets – because they are cowards in their hearts.

Again, the CO movie shooter picked the movie theater that was “gun free zone.” That’s intentional.

All you have to do is make the schools “less soft” of targets. The possibility of CCW is a huge deterrant. Get it where 5-10% of the teachers carry — most of the front desk folks and admin – that’d be huge.[/quote]

I agree with the principle of this; not necessarily the implementation. (I don’t have an alternative to propose though.)

I think a lot of people miss the idea that there are no absolutes when it comes to safety or security. There is really no such thing as a secure vault, a secure lock, a secure building, an impenetrable target, etc.

However, there is relative security; the vault at one bank is more secure than the vault at the bank next door. Assuming both vaults are guarding equivalent assets, nobody’s going to try and break into the “higher security” vault when they can go next door.

Mixing things up a little bit, there’s a reason convenience stores and liquor stores are robbed more than banks; while the reward is much lower, the risk is also much lower.

Obviously in an ideal world, none of this would happen. But in the meantime, redirecting aggression by selectively hardening targets is a pretty effective strategy.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry. [/quote]
People have said it in interviews on the news. However, I simply opened my post with that statement to present my position on the topic. Was I stating the obvious? I believe I said as much in the following sentence.

Funny how I post that teachers should have the option to carry and those who agree are attacking me. Reading is not so fundamental. [/quote]

Funny how somebody writes something rhetorically crippled and then gets all huffy when people misread his intent.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Right, normal.

God help the parent of the autistic child who walks into his barbershop unknowingly.
[/quote]

He never mentioned autism once. He’s very affected by what happened and he’s trying to be tough about it. Don’t pretend like you know anything about this person or what he’s going through or what a typical response would be.[/quote]

Typed out lengthy response, then deleted it.

NVM.

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I think the barber should have his barber’s license revoked.
I mean have you seen the shooter’s hair?[/quote]

Lol!

Says Captain Hair. (^_~)

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Because some people are saying that teachers should be armed, not armed if they want to be armed and are capable of using a gun properly. [/quote]

Who is saying this? I haven’t seen anyone suggest unwilling or incapable people carry. [/quote]
People have said it in interviews on the news. However, I simply opened my post with that statement to present my position on the topic. Was I stating the obvious? I believe I said as much in the following sentence.

Funny how I post that teachers should have the option to carry and those who agree are attacking me. Reading is not so fundamental. [/quote]

I wasn’t attacking you. I just didn’t see anyone take that position on this board and you didn’t qualify the source. If there are people taking that position I absolutely disagree that unwilling or incapable people should carry.