School Board Shooting

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]

Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.

I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]

So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.

Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.

Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.

Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
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Look, I am military and I agree with his point and have stated as much before. The average person is NOT the guy who will save the day like in an action movie. The average person is the type to either freeze, panic, or shoot wildly should their life actually be on the line. Why? Because the average person is not a soldier.

I had many of these people on this site tell me that I was paranoid because if I am out at 3am at a gas station, I look around me so I don’t get jacked. People like that will make a situation worse with a gun, not better.

If you are trained military or a crack shot on the range, so be it. But to believe everyone in the world is even mentally capable of handling a high powered device like that is ludicrous.[/quote]

This is pretty much my point, most people can’t handle a stick when stress hits let along a gun. Being comfortable has nothing to do with being useful and most people at best are useless at worst are dangerous.

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, I do think that any sort of public carrying of a weapon should have very strict testing proceedures to make sure the person isn’t a complete moron when the shit hits the fan. Oddly the best person in that room to have had a gun would probably have been the old woman with the purse she waited for her chance, acted decisively and in a reasonably correct fashion. It failed but that’s always a risk.

Would I want to have a gun in a situation like that? Nope. I’m a mediocre shot at best with a pistol and I know it. What I am is 250lbs of martial arts and bouncing experience who used to be a professional athlete so I’m absurdly fast when I start moving. Honestly if I was close enough to make a shot with a pistol I’m close enough to take care of things by hand in a much safer and more certain manner.

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[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]

Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.

I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]

So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.

Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.

Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.

Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
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Look, I am military and I agree with his point and have stated as much before. The average person is NOT the guy who will save the day like in an action movie. The average person is the type to either freeze, panic, or shoot wildly should their life actually be on the line. Why? Because the average person is not a soldier.

I had many of these people on this site tell me that I was paranoid because if I am out at 3am at a gas station, I look around me so I don’t get jacked. People like that will make a situation worse with a gun, not better.

If you are trained military or a crack shot on the range, so be it. But to believe everyone in the world is even mentally capable of handling a high powered device like that is ludicrous.[/quote]

This is pretty much my point, most people can’t handle a stick when stress hits let along a gun. Being comfortable has nothing to do with being useful and most people at best are useless at worst are dangerous.

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, I do think that any sort of public carrying of a weapon should have very strict testing proceedures to make sure the person isn’t a complete moron when the shit hits the fan. Oddly the best person in that room to have had a gun would probably have been the old woman with the purse she waited for her chance, acted decisively and in a reasonably correct fashion. It failed but that’s always a risk.

Would I want to have a gun in a situation like that? Nope. I’m a mediocre shot at best with a pistol and I know it. What I am is 250lbs of martial arts and bouncing experience who used to be a professional athlete so I’m absurdly fast when I start moving. Honestly if I was close enough to make a shot with a pistol I’m close enough to take care of things by hand in a much safer and more certain manner.[/quote]

But what if I have a gun AND a Katana?

V

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[quote]Sturat wrote:
Oddly the best person in that room to have had a gun would probably have been the old woman with the purse she waited for her chance, acted decisively and in a reasonably correct fashion. It failed but that’s always a risk.

Would I want to have a gun in a situation like that? Nope. I’m a mediocre shot at best with a pistol and I know it. What I am is 250lbs of martial arts and bouncing experience who used to be a professional athlete so I’m absurdly fast when I start moving. Honestly if I was close enough to make a shot with a pistol I’m close enough to take care of things by hand in a much safer and more certain manner.[/quote]

I got an LOL out of this. anyone else?

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]

Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.

I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]

So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.

Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.

Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.

Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
[/quote]

Look, I am military and I agree with his point and have stated as much before. The average person is NOT the guy who will save the day like in an action movie. The average person is the type to either freeze, panic, or shoot wildly should their life actually be on the line. Why? Because the average person is not a soldier.

I had many of these people on this site tell me that I was paranoid because if I am out at 3am at a gas station, I look around me so I don’t get jacked. People like that will make a situation worse with a gun, not better.

If you are trained military or a crack shot on the range, so be it. But to believe everyone in the world is even mentally capable of handling a high powered device like that is ludicrous.[/quote]

This is pretty much my point, most people can’t handle a stick when stress hits let along a gun. Being comfortable has nothing to do with being useful and most people at best are useless at worst are dangerous.

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, I do think that any sort of public carrying of a weapon should have very strict testing proceedures to make sure the person isn’t a complete moron when the shit hits the fan. Oddly the best person in that room to have had a gun would probably have been the old woman with the purse she waited for her chance, acted decisively and in a reasonably correct fashion. It failed but that’s always a risk.

Would I want to have a gun in a situation like that? Nope. I’m a mediocre shot at best with a pistol and I know it. What I am is 250lbs of martial arts and bouncing experience who used to be a professional athlete so I’m absurdly fast when I start moving. Honestly if I was close enough to make a shot with a pistol I’m close enough to take care of things by hand in a much safer and more certain manner.[/quote]

But what if I have a gun AND a Katana?

V[/quote]

Then I run away like a little girl.

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[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]

Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.

I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]

So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.

Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.

Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.

Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
[/quote]

wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
[/quote]

Look, I am military and I agree with his point and have stated as much before. The average person is NOT the guy who will save the day like in an action movie. The average person is the type to either freeze, panic, or shoot wildly should their life actually be on the line. Why? Because the average person is not a soldier.

I had many of these people on this site tell me that I was paranoid because if I am out at 3am at a gas station, I look around me so I don’t get jacked. People like that will make a situation worse with a gun, not better.

If you are trained military or a crack shot on the range, so be it. But to believe everyone in the world is even mentally capable of handling a high powered device like that is ludicrous.[/quote]

This is pretty much my point, most people can’t handle a stick when stress hits let along a gun. Being comfortable has nothing to do with being useful and most people at best are useless at worst are dangerous.

I have no problem with responsible gun ownership, I do think that any sort of public carrying of a weapon should have very strict testing proceedures to make sure the person isn’t a complete moron when the shit hits the fan. Oddly the best person in that room to have had a gun would probably have been the old woman with the purse she waited for her chance, acted decisively and in a reasonably correct fashion. It failed but that’s always a risk.

Would I want to have a gun in a situation like that? Nope. I’m a mediocre shot at best with a pistol and I know it. What I am is 250lbs of martial arts and bouncing experience who used to be a professional athlete so I’m absurdly fast when I start moving. Honestly if I was close enough to make a shot with a pistol I’m close enough to take care of things by hand in a much safer and more certain manner.[/quote]

But what if I have a gun AND a Katana?

V[/quote]

Then I run away like a little girl.[/quote]

Why you running? Are you a zombie? I only kill zombies with my gun and katana. So… You a Zombie or what?

HEY EVERYONE, STURAT IS A ZOMBIE! THE ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE HAS BEGUN!

V

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One thing to add…when this country was first founded, little boys were taught to handle a rifle before the age a kid can drive today. That is no longer the case. What we have now is a nation filled with weak video game playing fuckers who are nowhere near the level of “roughneck” people were 200 years ago. We have super powered rifles compared to back then but millions of people with less education of how to even handle the smallest weapon in combat…yet the idea is to arm all of these fuckers?

LO fucking L.

I am trying to imagine what the world would be like if the average moron who cuts me off on the freeway were all armed…or that kid who can’t count my change correctly at Wendy’s if the cash register goes down…or the same people in that vid who froze in place when the shit hit the fan.

I think it should be regular practice for “gun bootcamp” to be a requirement to get a weapon like that.

That is just my honest opinion. People can argue all they wish.

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I saw this on TV and heard the audio. I’m blown away by how calmly and passively the school board members just sat there. When the guy started randomly shooting, I could not believe every last one of them didn’t make a move to take cover. They all looked like they were in some kind of drugged daze.

Same thing when the woman came up behind him and tried to get the guy away from him. The guy was turned around for a good two seconds to regain control of his gun and then smack her down to the floor. Not one of the six or so grown men there made a move to subdue him. I know they were all scared of being shot, but his intent was to kill them anyway. And good luck shooting down six people rushing you all at once with just a small pistol, even if you can actually shoot straight.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
I recently wrote an exam in the US and on one of the forms it listed a concealed weapon as one of the items not allowed in the exam room. I remember thinking “WTF? Why would they need to put that on this form?”

I now understand.[/quote]

Nah, those kinds of warnings are there for lawsuit-happy idiots. Thanks to an apparent retard epidemic, we now get warned about everything. Like warnings not to drink drain cleaner or let young children drink it. Really? If you’re old enough to be capable of reading the warning, you’d think this wouldn’t be an issue. My personal favorite is the warning on sleeping pills that says, “may cause drowsiness.”

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[quote]BobParr wrote:
I saw this on TV and heard the audio. I’m blown away by how calmly and passively the school board members just sat there. When the guy started randomly shooting, I could not believe every last one of them didn’t make a move to take cover. They all looked like they were in some kind of drugged daze.

Same thing when the woman came up behind him and tried to get the guy away from him. The guy was turned around for a good two seconds to regain control of his gun and then smack her down to the floor. Not one of the six or so grown men there made a move to subdue him. I know they were all scared of being shot, but his intent was to kill them anyway. And good luck shooting down six people rushing you all at once with just a small pistol, even if you can actually shoot straight.
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That surprises you? Once you make it a sign of “insanity” for someone to train their body hard and stay in shape, the alternative is a bunch of passive flaccid people who have no way of defending themselves. That is what the majority seem to want…a world filled with pussies.

I am sure MOST people would act that way…because most people see anyone who tries to train for shit like that to be crazy.

I grew up with martial arts and boxing. I am trained to shoot a weapon just like anyone else who was deployed…but people EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE see some of my actions as paranoid…as if it is crazy to be prepared should the shit hit the fan.

It wouldn’t surprise me if most on this site acted the same way or worse.

I actually give the counsel-man some respect for not crying when the gun was on him. he tried to stay calm…but yeah, how could they all rush him when most are likely too out of shape to stand up quickly without grunting?

Welcome to your future.

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Good Old Northwest FL Crazies…HOME SWEET HOME!

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This seems like a good idea…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BobParr wrote:
I saw this on TV and heard the audio. I’m blown away by how calmly and passively the school board members just sat there. When the guy started randomly shooting, I could not believe every last one of them didn’t make a move to take cover. They all looked like they were in some kind of drugged daze.

Same thing when the woman came up behind him and tried to get the guy away from him. The guy was turned around for a good two seconds to regain control of his gun and then smack her down to the floor. Not one of the six or so grown men there made a move to subdue him. I know they were all scared of being shot, but his intent was to kill them anyway. And good luck shooting down six people rushing you all at once with just a small pistol, even if you can actually shoot straight.
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That surprises you? Once you make it a sign of “insanity” for someone to train their body hard and stay in shape, the alternative is a bunch of passive flaccid people who have no way of defending themselves. That is what the majority seem to want…a world filled with pussies.

I am sure MOST people would act that way…because most people see anyone who tries to train for shit like that to be crazy.

I grew up with martial arts and boxing. I am trained to shoot a weapon just like anyone else who was deployed…but people EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE see some of my actions as paranoid…as if it is crazy to be prepared should the shit hit the fan.

It wouldn’t surprise me if most on this site acted the same way or worse.

I actually give the counsel-man some respect for not crying when the gun was on him. he tried to stay calm…but yeah, how could they all rush him when most are likely too out of shape to stand up quickly without grunting?

Welcome to your future.[/quote]

Good point. If you’re so out of shape it’s hard to get up out of your chair, I can see why it might not occur to you to spring out of it and tackle someone, even if your life depends on it. That is truly sad.

But ducking? I would have thought that it’s more or less an innate response to duck and cover your head when an object is flying at you.

I suspect they’ve been so conditioned to rely on others like police/security to protect them from any harm, even a simple protective gesture like ducking under the table eludes them. Maybe it’s no coincidence that the woman who tried to help was older.

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I wonder if he is really going to help her find a new job in the district.

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George W. Bush ducked TWO flying shoes from a single thrower 30 feet away in a crowded room of reporters and such, yet these old fat fuckers didn’t budge to save their own lives from a man aiming a pistol within 10 feet?

FAIL.

Thank God the shooter was a shitty shot.

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[quote]ExtremistPullup wrote:
I wonder if he is really going to help her find a new job in the district.[/quote]

Of course not. Diplomacy is the art of saying “Nice doggy!” until your sniper/security gets the range.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
George W. Bush ducked TWO flying shoes from a single thrower 30 feet away in a crowded room of reporters and such, yet these old fat fuckers didn’t budge to save their own lives from a man aiming a pistol within 10 feet?

FAIL.

Thank God the shooter was a shitty shot.[/quote]

I think it’d be a little easier to dodge the shoe from 30 ft than a bullet from 10 ft. You’ve to remember that these are fat old men too, they probably start breathing heavy while walking to vending machine to purchase 3 candy bars, chips, and a diet Coke. Bush also kept his body in peak physical condition because he realized haters are going to hate, that’s why he’d the reflexes of a mongoose and guns of a US military armory.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…flaccid…
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
One thing to add…when this country was first founded, little boys were taught to handle a rifle before the age a kid can drive today. That is no longer the case. What we have now is a nation filled with weak video game playing fuckers who are nowhere near the level of “roughneck” people were 200 years ago. We have super powered rifles compared to back then but millions of people with less education of how to even handle the smallest weapon in combat…yet the idea is to arm all of these fuckers?

LO fucking L.

I am trying to imagine what the world would be like if the average moron who cuts me off on the freeway were all armed…or that kid who can’t count my change correctly at Wendy’s if the cash register goes down…or the same people in that vid who froze in place when the shit hit the fan.

I think it should be regular practice for “gun bootcamp” to be a requirement to get a weapon like that.

That is just my honest opinion. People can argue all they wish.[/quote]

I only was arguing in terms of everyone being armed because that’s what Sturat started talking about. I’m not really in favor of everyone being armed.
I’d actually prefer every state to have the sort of CCW law that requires you to attend minimum number of gun handling and firing classes, so it would sort out a portion of those who “want one just to have it”, and would almost make sure everyone has at least a basic level of competency. Either a psych eval, or even a basic written test that about situational appropriateness could be good too.

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
George W. Bush ducked TWO flying shoes from a single thrower 30 feet away in a crowded room of reporters and such, yet these old fat fuckers didn’t budge to save their own lives from a man aiming a pistol within 10 feet?

FAIL.

Thank God the shooter was a shitty shot.[/quote]

I think it’d be a little easier to dodge the shoe from 30 ft than a bullet from 10 ft. You’ve to remember that these are fat old men too, they probably start breathing heavy while walking to vending machine to purchase 3 candy bars, chips, and a diet Coke. Bush also kept his body in peak physical condition because he realized haters are going to hate, that’s why he’d the reflexes of a mongoose and guns of a US military armory.
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My point was that Bush had a room full of distractions while the shoes headed his way. These old fat fuckers had the man right in front of them, the focus was on HIM and they didn’t even duck when the gun emerged.

BTW, I was no fan of Bush. FAR from it. I just think he was awesome in that particular shoe situation (especially popping up with a smile on his face).

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
George W. Bush ducked TWO flying shoes from a single thrower 30 feet away in a crowded room of reporters and such, yet these old fat fuckers didn’t budge to save their own lives from a man aiming a pistol within 10 feet?

FAIL.

Thank God the shooter was a shitty shot.[/quote]

I think it’d be a little easier to dodge the shoe from 30 ft than a bullet from 10 ft. You’ve to remember that these are fat old men too, they probably start breathing heavy while walking to vending machine to purchase 3 candy bars, chips, and a diet Coke. Bush also kept his body in peak physical condition because he realized haters are going to hate, that’s why he’d the reflexes of a mongoose and guns of a US military armory.
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My point was that Bush had a room full of distractions while the shoes headed his way. These old fat fuckers had the man right in front of them, the focus was on HIM and they didn’t even duck when the gun emerged.

BTW, I was no fan of Bush. FAR from it. I just think he was awesome in that particular shoe situation (especially popping up with a smile on his face).
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Personally, I wonder why they didn’t call security the moment the man stood up and started spray painting the wall. Is he just going to spray paint a V then sit back down? I really doubt anyone would do that.