[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
Everything about that sentence is false.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. Wisconsin has no concealed carry, though they have open carry.
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
In Alaska you can walk into a store and walk out with a handgun. They run a background check while you are there just to make sure you don’t have felonies or something. This is according to my buddy who is going out there to live with his brother.
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Have you ever heard of the gun show loophole?
Sale of guns at gun shows is pretty much unsupervised and done without checks of any kind. In the documentary “bowling for columbine” they send a guy in with a lot of money just to see how many guns he can by. He was only asked for i.d. once, and he asked the guy if he could just pay an extra hundred dollars and the guy agreed. He ended up with a ridiculous amount of guns (like 10+ high powered rifles and shotguns and a whole bunch of handguns).[/quote]
Have you ever been to a gun show?
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
Everything about that sentence is false.[/quote]
Alright then, maybe I’m thinking of an old statistic. Care to inform me of the real state with the loosest laws, the most guns per capital, and the lowest gun crime? (Or which state has which attribute)
[quote]samdan wrote:
It’s entirely possible this guy just didn’t have it in him to actually kill anyone and intentionally missed.[/quote]
That’s what I think. After ‘struggling’ with the woman, he just turns away from her instead of shooting her. At the end, he even takes aim between the two people.
I have no sound, but it looks like a guy who felt this was the best way to get attention, not a George Sodini out-for-blood type.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
Everything about that sentence is false.[/quote]
Alright then, maybe I’m thinking of an old statistic. Care to inform me of the real state with the loosest laws, the most guns per capital, and the lowest gun crime? (Or which state has which attribute)[/quote]
Alaska and Vermont: Concealed or open carry, no permit necessary
Wyoming, followed by Alaska: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html
Hawaii has the lowest gun crime: http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
Texas will never top any gun list, unless it’s something like most guns (gross), because states like Alaska and Hawaii are so skewed.
I’m pretty sure AZ is up there with the others, as of july 29th, no permit for concealed or open carry required.
[quote]KAS wrote:
With that said, If you can’t hit shit under normal circumstances then don’t expect to “rise to the occasion” and save the day when lives are at stake.[/quote]
I was just trying to say that a guy who is paid and given free ammo and range time to practice shooting will most likely be a better shot than somebody who doesn’t shoot as frequently. I’m not surprised he was an ex-detective.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.
I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]
So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.
Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.
Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.
Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
[quote]Sturat wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.
I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]
So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.
Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.
Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.
Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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If that many people are firing, at least one of them is going to hit the target(most likely), they don’t all have to be crack shots (I’m not expecting them to do a Mozambique style shooting spread). Obviously, if the people with another person straight across from them fired, they could hit another person, but I’m assuming they’re smart enough not to do that.
The man wasn’t even paying attention to the people out in the crowd, if one of them had drawn they would have even had time to aim. Or if the woman who tried the purse trick had a pistol, or even a stun gun, she could have dropped the guy point blank.
[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Why does it have to be all or nothing? What if people were allowed to carry firearms if they felt comfortable doing so?
[quote]9500 RPM wrote:
[quote]saveski wrote:
Florida - concealed carry pistol state but there may be a law against carrying on school property.
This is one of the reasons I always carry a gun - because you just never know.
May that bad-shot motherfucker rot in hell. [/quote]
Man, sucks to be you. Dunno about you, but I don’t arm myself and live in a constant state of paranoia because of what I see on the news.[/quote]
I never got this attitude. Why does carrying something to protect yourself in the event a possible situation, make you paranoid?
90% of the people who pay money to learn self defense will never actually be in a situation where it calls on them to use what they have learned, even if that’s just running away. Are they paranoid?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
What a fucking pussy![/quote]
Stop. The guy was faced with an extraordinary situation and really tried to defuse the situation as best he could. Being as the guy shot anyway, it didn’t matter, but many times acting aggressively is just going to provoke him into shooting.
I cover a lot of these meetings, I’m truly surprised this shit doesn’t happen more often.[/quote]
Just curious if it’s common place for school board security to carry a gun. I’ve never heard of them being armed and wonder if this school board in Florida has had past problems.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
Thats totally fucked up… luckily that guy sucks at shooting… as messed up as it is… how the hell do you miss from 10 feet?!? Thankfully those people are ok… [/quote]
Most people do under stress. Gunshots with pistols land app. 20% of the time, even by cops. move it into almost contact distance and the hit ratio goes up to in the 30% range or so. this is from my recollection btw.
[quote]9500 RPM wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. [/quote]
But what if the British come back and try to sleep with your sister?!?!?![/quote]
Can still have guns in your home man. Got it covered. (actually, I live in a campus apartment, so I can’t have a gun here) [/quote]
So what are you going to do when people who listen to rap music kick in your door at night? Don’t you feel unsafe?
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If you want to kick down my door, you better bring a hydraulic ram.
It might be easier to get trough the wall next to it, if you can handle the houses main electrical wiring running through it.
If someone wants to kick down my door, I will first, make fun of him, then call the cops and then go back to sleep.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]9500 RPM wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. [/quote]
But what if the British come back and try to sleep with your sister?!?!?![/quote]
Can still have guns in your home man. Got it covered. (actually, I live in a campus apartment, so I can’t have a gun here) [/quote]
So what are you going to do when people who listen to rap music kick in your door at night? Don’t you feel unsafe?
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If you want to kick down my door, you better bring a hydraulic ram.
It might be easier to get trough the wall next to it, if you can handle the houses main electrical wiring running through it.
If someone wants to kick down my door, I will first, make fun of him, then call the cops and then go back to sleep.
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Thick steel frame with a double deadbolt? Or what? Now i’m interested. lol.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]9500 RPM wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. [/quote]
But what if the British come back and try to sleep with your sister?!?!?![/quote]
Can still have guns in your home man. Got it covered. (actually, I live in a campus apartment, so I can’t have a gun here) [/quote]
So what are you going to do when people who listen to rap music kick in your door at night? Don’t you feel unsafe?
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If you want to kick down my door, you better bring a hydraulic ram.
It might be easier to get trough the wall next to it, if you can handle the houses main electrical wiring running through it.
If someone wants to kick down my door, I will first, make fun of him, then call the cops and then go back to sleep.
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Thick steel frame with a double deadbolt? Or what? Now i’m interested. lol.[/quote]
2 inch steel frame, bolts up, down and on both sides, 90 kgs the dooe alone, reinforced lock cylinder with nothing to attach a bolt cutter to.
A trained locksmith should take at least 30 minutes to open it, though 2 hours is probably more realistic and that is if he brings his tools.+
The thing is you can be armed like Rambo, wont do a lick of good if they kick down your door and stand next to you in 5-10 seconds.
[quote]Sturat wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.
I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]
So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.
Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.
Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.
Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
[quote]NvrTooLate wrote:
[quote]Sturat wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.
I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots. [/quote]
So the guy was a bad shooter but if everyone in the room had been armed they would all be great shots? That’s absurd.
Honestly if the 20ish people in that crowd had all had guns, drawn them, and fired it would have been shooting fish in a barrel. Do we really think they’d be 20 crack shots in a high-stress situation for which they may or may not have been trained? Do we think they all would be smart enough to check the background they’re shooting on to to ensure that there’s nobody there on the off chance they miss? Doubtful.
Really the outcome that occured was pretty much the ideal. Only one person was shot and that was the shooter, more guns would not have made that outcome any more likely. Would the original shooter have been shot? Probably, killed? Probably. Would someone else have been hit too? Probably.
Please note that I’m not anti-gun, I’m just anti-arm everyone. Most people in this world are far too stupid to be entrusted with a gun day to day, let alone in a stressful situation.
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wouldn’t you like to be armed in that situation? That’s assuming that you’re not one of the stupid people.
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Look, I am military and I agree with his point and have stated as much before. The average person is NOT the guy who will save the day like in an action movie. The average person is the type to either freeze, panic, or shoot wildly should their life actually be on the line. Why? Because the average person is not a soldier.
I had many of these people on this site tell me that I was paranoid because if I am out at 3am at a gas station, I look around me so I don’t get jacked. People like that will make a situation worse with a gun, not better.
If you are trained military or a crack shot on the range, so be it. But to believe everyone in the world is even mentally capable of handling a high powered device like that is ludicrous.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. [/quote]
But what if the British come back and try to sleep with your sister?!?!?![/quote]
That’s why I sleep with as many British women I can find. It’s called a preemptive strike…
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jebus…
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. [/quote]
But what if the British come back and try to sleep with your sister?!?!?![/quote]
Fuck a gun, just get a sonicare powered toothbrush and brush their teeth. After you scrape away all that shit they will have sensitive teeth for weeks!
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LOL!