I saw this headline today and it reminded me of the discussion from the recent Aurora shootings. One side stated that more people having CCW would only increase casualties, while the other stated that it would reduce casualties. In this case it was trained police officers who incidentally hit all of the wounded victims. Do you feel that this hurts the argument in favor of CCW?
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.[/quote]
I am inclined to agree.
Cops that need 5x3 magazines to kill an unsuspecting driver or who need 5 chunky guys on overtime pay to kick a 130lbs bum to death…
That does not sound like an elite strike force.
elite strike force
new york police, or the beginning of a porn I’m not really sure
I think just make him chase him around the car
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think just make him chase him around the car [/quote]
Two or three stairs and you are essentially a cop killer.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
I saw this headline today and it reminded me of the discussion from the recent Aurora shootings. One side stated that more people having CCW would only increase casualties, while the other stated that it would reduce casualties. In this case it was trained police officers who incidentally hit all of the wounded victims. Do you feel that this hurts the argument in favor of CCW?[/quote]
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Two things on this. The first, and most important is the firearms aspect. Unlike the military(for the majority) police are supposed to be accountable for their rounds. So, whoever was hitting civilians should have known better because they should see where their ammo ends up. That also means you don’t at someone with say, a daycare as a backdrop if you miss. Not sure all the circumstances, but maybe an angle change by one or more of these officers and this story ends differently.
The second thing goes with, and kinda has to do with the fat cop pic. A lot of states (mine included) the cop has to do a physical qualification once and then never again. So big boy up there never has to run another mile as long as he doesn’t switch departments. I don’t like that there is no incentive for cops not to be fat slobs in Ohio. Ohio recently changed its pistol requal, making it a more “real world” set of scenarios. In doing so, they also bowed to budget pressure and changed the amount of rounds needed to requal from 60 to 25. Pistol requal is mandatory 2x a year in Ohio, but now you can requal in a cumulative fashion and shoot less rounds in a year that you used to in one session. Bottom line however is, as in any profession, there are those that will strive to excel and practice with their firearm, stay in shape, train self-defense, etc. There are also those looking for an easy job (or disability if possible!) and make the rest look bad. Not to point the finger at the NYC folks because I wasn’t in those shoes at that moment, but fat boy up above ought to have his badge stripped and quit being a liability to his department and community.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.[/quote]
Sillyandy,
Much more truth in this statement than you surely intended. Ask the average cop on the street how many times he fires his weapon a year in practice. Most of the cops I compete against in IDPA will tell you the average cop gets virtually no practice on his weapon.
Also, did you take notice that six of nine were hit with fragments? Whether these frags were glass, concrete or lead, I doubt that the injuries sustained were life threatening.
You are the new Fighting Irish on this forum. A cowardly little “drive by shooter” who ducks in to take a two line shit in the middle of a thread and then slinks out without ever having added anything of importance. That must be the ultimate attraction of liberalism. It takes very little thought to be full on “libtard”.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.[/quote]
Sillyandy,
Much more truth in this statement than you surely intended. Ask the average cop on the street how many times he fires his weapon a year in practice. Most of the cops I compete against in IDPA will tell you the average cop gets virtually no practice on his weapon.
Also, did you take notice that six of nine were hit with fragments? Whether these frags were glass, concrete or lead, I doubt that the injuries sustained were life threatening.
You are the new Fighting Irish on this forum. A cowardly little “drive by shooter” who ducks in to take a two line shit in the middle of a thread and then slinks out without ever having added anything of importance. That must be the ultimate attraction of liberalism. It takes very little thought to be full on “libtard”.
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How do you feel an average CCW permit holder would have fared in the same situation? For example yourself only as an example.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.[/quote]
Sillyandy,
Much more truth in this statement than you surely intended. Ask the average cop on the street how many times he fires his weapon a year in practice. Most of the cops I compete against in IDPA will tell you the average cop gets virtually no practice on his weapon.
Also, did you take notice that six of nine were hit with fragments? Whether these frags were glass, concrete or lead, I doubt that the injuries sustained were life threatening.
You are the new Fighting Irish on this forum. A cowardly little “drive by shooter” who ducks in to take a two line shit in the middle of a thread and then slinks out without ever having added anything of importance. That must be the ultimate attraction of liberalism. It takes very little thought to be full on “libtard”.
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I intended all of it, so I guess that makes the rest of your comment irrelevant.
Well heres the video. My comment has the most likes,lol.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Obviously every red state conservative gun owner has better aim than these liberal NYC police, so no it won’t hurt the argument.[/quote]
Sillyandy,
Much more truth in this statement than you surely intended. Ask the average cop on the street how many times he fires his weapon a year in practice. Most of the cops I compete against in IDPA will tell you the average cop gets virtually no practice on his weapon.
Also, did you take notice that six of nine were hit with fragments? Whether these frags were glass, concrete or lead, I doubt that the injuries sustained were life threatening.
You are the new Fighting Irish on this forum. A cowardly little “drive by shooter” who ducks in to take a two line shit in the middle of a thread and then slinks out without ever having added anything of importance. That must be the ultimate attraction of liberalism. It takes very little thought to be full on “libtard”.
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How do you feel an average CCW permit holder would have fared in the same situation? For example yourself only as an example.
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As a CCW holder, I can say with complete sincerity that I hope to never be in a situation in which I have to point a loaded weapon at another human being much less pull the trigger.
I do not hold the two scenarios, Aurora and NY, as equal. I feel certain that had there been CCW holders in the audience that the outcome, while still horrible, would have had far fewer victims in the end. As it played out, I feel certain that any decent shooter in the audience could have had a huge and positive impact on the outcome. James Holmes and his like tend to be pathetic cowards. They chose victims and locations where they face virtually no opposing force. You never hear of such sick fucks walking into a biker bar and letting loose. (maybe a bad example but hopefully you see my point.)
From the video below, I doubt that any CCW carrier would have had an impact. They would have probably never pulled a weapon. The cops, on the other hand, look horrible. The one on the right has no weapon control at all. He appears to be shooting one handed, rapidly, while running backwards sideways. It is a wonder he did not injure more people.
The adrenaline and stress of such a situation must be off the charts. However, neither of the two officers look to be trained or ready to respond in a safe and effective manner.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
elite strike force
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These guys might surprise you. Especially if their fathers started teaching them how to shoot when they were little kids.
[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
elite strike force
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These guys might surprise you. Especially if their fathers started teaching them how to shoot when they were little kids.[/quote]
They would have to be good shots.
A footrace is really out of the question, unless of course a 70s porn stache bestows mystical powers and I am open to the idea that it might.
[quote]QuadasarusFlex wrote:
Well heres the video. My comment has the most likes,lol.[/quote]
The bad part of that video is those cops supposedly weren’t regular beat cops. The news said they were on an anti terrorism patrol. So one would assume they would have some special training for just that kind of situation.
The video makes it look like one of the cops got over excited. First he ran through his partners line of fire, then he stayed almost in line with his partner, meaning they were more or less one big target to shoot at, so panic set in. I think they need to review their training.