[quote]Sturat wrote:
If everyone else in the room had a gun on them it would have been a Polish firing squad and I’d imagine there would have been quite a few more ambulances needed. . .[/quote]
Not likely. With a target that big only ten feet away, and how bad of a shot the shooter was, he likely would have been put down almost immediately without hitting anyone. Thank god he wasn’t a good shot. I thought he hit the head chairman guy with that first shot, then his second shot went straight into the ground, and I had hope.
I wonder if the security guy was watching and waiting, hoping it wouldn’t get violent, or if he was outside and came in when he heard the shots.
I Conceal carry here in Oklahoma, I think we are less strict then Texas with our gun laws.
In Texas those gun buster signs actually mean something there. Here the law makes no mention of them. any state that lets you open carry is pretty relaxed.
and I can sell my own personal handgun to anyone face to face as long as I don’t knowingly sell to a conviced felon.
I work at a Bank, one day on my lunch break I went and bought a hand gun ammo, I was back in plenty of time.
[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
What a fucking pussy![/quote]
Stop. The guy was faced with an extraordinary situation and really tried to defuse the situation as best he could. Being as the guy shot anyway, it didn’t matter, but many times acting aggressively is just going to provoke him into shooting.
I cover a lot of these meetings, I’m truly surprised this shit doesn’t happen more often.
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. Wisconsin has no concealed carry, though they have open carry.
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
In Alaska you can walk into a store and walk out with a handgun. They run a background check while you are there just to make sure you don’t have felonies or something. This is according to my buddy who is going out there to live with his brother.
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Have you ever heard of the gun show loophole?
Sale of guns at gun shows is pretty much unsupervised and done without checks of any kind. In the documentary “bowling for columbine” they send a guy in with a lot of money just to see how many guns he can by. He was only asked for i.d. once, and he asked the guy if he could just pay an extra hundred dollars and the guy agreed. He ended up with a ridiculous amount of guns (like 10+ high powered rifles and shotguns and a whole bunch of handguns).[/quote]
Calling “Bowling for Columbine” is a real stretch. There are several half truths and logical fallacys in their it’ll make you’re head spin. Larry Elder goes through this film argueing point by point. Google him, take a look at the other side.
[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
What a fucking pussy![/quote]
Stop. The guy was faced with an extraordinary situation and really tried to defuse the situation as best he could. Being as the guy shot anyway, it didn’t matter, but many times acting aggressively is just going to provoke him into shooting.
I cover a lot of these meetings, I’m truly surprised this shit doesn’t happen more often.[/quote]
In all cerealness, I agree with you. He was actually very courageous, too when he asked the man to let all the others go, as he was apparently the one responsible for getting his wife fired.
Does a significant portion of the US civilian population walk around strapped?[/quote]
Depends on the state you’re in. Illinois (where I live) is the only state without any form of pistol carry allowed. Wisconsin has no concealed carry, though they have open carry.
Texas has the loosest gun laws and most guns per capita but (pretty sure about this) has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the U.S.[/quote]
In Alaska you can walk into a store and walk out with a handgun. They run a background check while you are there just to make sure you don’t have felonies or something. This is according to my buddy who is going out there to live with his brother.
V[/quote]
Have you ever heard of the gun show loophole?
Sale of guns at gun shows is pretty much unsupervised and done without checks of any kind. In the documentary “bowling for columbine” they send a guy in with a lot of money just to see how many guns he can by. He was only asked for i.d. once, and he asked the guy if he could just pay an extra hundred dollars and the guy agreed. He ended up with a ridiculous amount of guns (like 10+ high powered rifles and shotguns and a whole bunch of handguns).[/quote]
Calling “Bowling for Columbine” is a real stretch. There are several half truths and logical fallacys in their it’ll make you’re head spin. Larry Elder goes through this film argueing point by point. Google him, take a look at the other side.[/quote]
I’m sure there is, but it’s not just Bowling for Columbine that documents the gunshow loophole. You can youtube it and see. There are a couple different hidden cam videos where people go to gun shows and ask things like “you’re not a license guy are you?” Seller: “Nope, I’m a private collector, just pay for the gun and it’s yours.” I’m pro-guns and concealed carry, just making an observation. Hell, I’m probably going to get a pistol shortly after I turn 21 next year(right now i’m eyeing the Beretta Px-4 Storm subcompact in 9mm).
Wow Fighting Irish we agree for once against Dre The Hatchet. You tell me what you would do Dre the Hatchet? Being in front of a gun while being threatened by a lunatic. Really guy.
Just a year ago I was at a convenience store talking to the clerk who I know outside when up walks a kid pointing a shotgun at us telling the clerk to get inside, then he just pointed it at me and I froze like a deer in the headlight type. He stared at me for what seemed like forever, while my dumbass had well over a grand in my backpocket. I though I was fucked. Its an extreme situation this man was in, what would you have done, its easier said than done my friend. As a sidenote, two weeks later his balls and junk literally got shot off by some Koreans down the street.
Have you ever heard of the gun show loophole?
Sale of guns at gun shows is pretty much unsupervised and done without checks of any kind. In the documentary “bowling for columbine” they send a guy in with a lot of money just to see how many guns he can by. He was only asked for i.d. once, and he asked the guy if he could just pay an extra hundred dollars and the guy agreed. He ended up with a ridiculous amount of guns (like 10+ high powered rifles and shotguns and a whole bunch of handguns).[/quote]
Calling “Bowling for Columbine” is a real stretch. There are several half truths and logical fallacys in their it’ll make you’re head spin. Larry Elder goes through this film argueing point by point. Google him, take a look at the other side.[/quote]
I’m sure there is, but it’s not just Bowling for Columbine that documents the gunshow loophole. You can youtube it and see. There are a couple different hidden cam videos where people go to gun shows and ask things like “you’re not a license guy are you?” Seller: “Nope, I’m a private collector, just pay for the gun and it’s yours.” I’m pro-guns and concealed carry, just making an observation. Hell, I’m probably going to get a pistol shortly after I turn 21 next year(right now i’m eyeing the Beretta Px-4 Storm subcompact in 9mm).[/quote]
I’m sure there are several loopholes when buying guns just like any other crime. All the more reason to have relaxed gun laws. The stats show violent crimes almost always decrease when priviate citizens have more of an ability to carry a concealed weapon.
I’ve always been privy to any of the glock side arms but nothing beats the 1911. I could shoot the broad side of a barn (from the inside) with the Beretta.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
Thats totally fucked up… luckily that guy sucks at shooting… as messed up as it is… how the hell do you miss from 10 feet?!? Thankfully those people are ok… [/quote]
I’m pretty good at plugging .223’s into bullseyes from 300 yards but I can’t hit a wall with a pistol, especially with modern automatics like USP’s.
The only handguns I shoot OK with are heavier, large-frame guns with longer barrels like the 1911 or the 92F.
Just sayin’, when you have no specialized training and you are in a high-stress situation, you’d be surprised at how shitty your shooting can be.
[quote]Amiright wrote:
Thats totally fucked up… luckily that guy sucks at shooting… as messed up as it is… how the hell do you miss from 10 feet?!? Thankfully those people are ok… [/quote]
With a .223 can put 5 shots in a dollar coin from 300 yards but I can’t hit a wall with a pistol, especially with modern automatics like USP’s.
The only handguns I shoot OK with are heavier, large-frame guns with longer barrels like the 1911 or the 92F.
Just sayin’, when you have no specialized training and you are in ahigh-stress situation, you’d be surprised at how shitty your shooting can be.[/quote]
I have a 9mm glock and a .357 s@w (6" barrel). I’m pretty good with the .357, but the glock i can only put in the ballpark. The glock has lots’o’bullets though.
The thing that surprises me is the school security guard putting him down. I heard he wasn’t a cop and was waiting outside for the police to arrive for some support.
Now, I’m not sure if he was contracted and worked for a private security company and what kind of qualifications most of these guys have or if he might have been an off duty police officer, but he was probably shooting from a considerable distance, I’m guessing across the length of a fairly large conference room with innocent bystanders directly in the line of fire. If he was aiming low on purpose and hit the guy before he was able to hit anybody, granted the guy got 10 shots off but it could have been a lot worse, which is somewhat impressive.
I still want to see proof the guy shot himself, too.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
The thing that surprises me is the school security guard putting him down. I heard he wasn’t a cop and was waiting outside for the police to arrive for some support.
Now, I’m not sure if he was contracted and worked for a private security company and what kind of qualifications most of these guys have or if he might have been an off duty police officer, but he was probably shooting from a considerable distance, I’m guessing across the length of a fairly large conference room with innocent bystanders directly in the line of fire. If he was aiming low on purpose and hit the guy before he was able to hit anybody, granted the guy got 10 shots off but it could have been a lot worse, which is somewhat impressive.
I still want to see proof the guy shot himself, too. [/quote]
A news report on it that I watched said the security guard was a former police detective if I recall correctly.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
The thing that surprises me is the school security guard putting him down. I heard he wasn’t a cop and was waiting outside for the police to arrive for some support.
Now, I’m not sure if he was contracted and worked for a private security company and what kind of qualifications most of these guys have or if he might have been an off duty police officer, but he was probably shooting from a considerable distance, I’m guessing across the length of a fairly large conference room with innocent bystanders directly in the line of fire. If he was aiming low on purpose and hit the guy before he was able to hit anybody, granted the guy got 10 shots off but it could have been a lot worse, which is somewhat impressive.
I still want to see proof the guy shot himself, too. [/quote]
I think a lot of people over think this stuff. When I was a teenager I worked in a 7/11 for a couple of years. During that time I was involved in two gun fights. I had no formal training in any kind high stress situation. I was a recreational shooter and knew my tools very well.
I walked away from both incidents, the bad guys were not so lucky.
10 years later I’m a Police Officer and receive regular training for these kinds of situation. In all honesty I don’t think I’m any better prepared now then I was as a kid.
When the shit hits the fan for real there’s no telling how you will react, regardless of your training. Cops still freeze up or miss during gun fights, and yet some everyday folks defend themselves/homes quite successfully.
The bottom line is if you can keep a cool head under REAL pressure and have confidence in your own ability (and know your limits) you should be able to pull this off.
With that said, If you can’t hit shit under normal circumstances then don’t expect to “rise to the occasion” and save the day when lives are at stake.
