Sarah Palin's Daughter Pregnant

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Edit: Are people looking for her to disown her daughter, or what?

Nah. Just a schadenfreude case where the dirty laundry of a staunch anti-abortion and abstinence-only conservative public figure happens to be most ironic.

The people making a fuss about this pregnancy are more likely to be sympathetic to the girl than Palin’s camp. They don’t want anyone to disown her. Matter of fact, it’s about empowering the girl and preparing her to make choices. On the other hand, premarital sex and unwanted pregnancies are more likely to be issues for the right-wing crowd.

I really can’t make it any clearer.

I’m sorry, what’s ironic? That a child may make choices contrary to her upbringing? Some of you think this is news to conservatives? Seriously? I mean, I’m sure every drug user, liar, murderer, thief, had to be actually raised to do such things.

Now, if Palin marched her daughter down to an abortion clinic, or asked why she wasn’t on the pill, I might see a story here. Otherwise, this isn’t a character issue for Palin. In fact, I’m happy to see a pro-life family rallying and planning to care for an unplanned/out-of-wedlock pregnancy.

You seem to confuse irony with hypocrisy.

Also, nobody here attacked Palin’s character because of the pregnancy of her daughter.

I addressed the “irony” of it in the first paragraph. It’s like saying, “how ironic that a chronic liar would come from a family that teaches honesty.” It happens, and noone stands around thinking “how ironic.”

You mean, a daughter of a conservative can get pregnant, contrary to their upbringing?! Stop the presses, the leftists have just discovered something we already knew![/quote]

From where I stand it is more to do with Palin’s staunch support of abstinence only sex education which its supporters claim prevents such teen pregnancies (or is supposed to).

But then those same people don’t know how to read statistics, since abstinence-only sex ed has proven to be a huge waste of money.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Edit: Are people looking for her to disown her daughter, or what?

Nah. Just a schadenfreude case where the dirty laundry of a staunch anti-abortion and abstinence-only conservative public figure happens to be most ironic.

The people making a fuss about this pregnancy are more likely to be sympathetic to the girl than Palin’s camp. They don’t want anyone to disown her. Matter of fact, it’s about empowering the girl and preparing her to make choices. On the other hand, premarital sex and unwanted pregnancies are more likely to be issues for the right-wing crowd.

I really can’t make it any clearer.

I’m sorry, what’s ironic? That a child may make choices contrary to her upbringing? Some of you think this is news to conservatives? Seriously? I mean, I’m sure every drug user, liar, murderer, thief, had to be actually raised to do such things.

Now, if Palin marched her daughter down to an abortion clinic, or asked why she wasn’t on the pill, I might see a story here. Otherwise, this isn’t a character issue for Palin. In fact, I’m happy to see a pro-life family rallying and planning to care for an unplanned/out-of-wedlock pregnancy.

You seem to confuse irony with hypocrisy.

Also, nobody here attacked Palin’s character because of the pregnancy of her daughter.

I addressed the “irony” of it in the first paragraph. It’s like saying, “how ironic that a chronic liar would come from a family that teaches honesty.” It happens, and noone stands around thinking “how ironic.”

You mean, a daughter of a conservative can get pregnant, contrary to their upbringing?! Stop the presses, the leftists have just discovered something we already knew!

From where I stand it is more to do with Palin’s staunch support of abstinence only sex education which its supporters claim prevents such teen pregnancies (or is supposed to).

But then those same people don’t know how to read statistics, since abstinence-only sex ed has proven to be a huge waste of money.

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As far as money being spent…don’t spend my money on sex ed, of any sort. How about actually teaching science and math at a high level again? Leave the parenting to me.

Now, is it any more ironic than a young girl educated in dry humping and chemical contraception (nowadays we medicate our children’s moods, and their reproduction…oh well), still getting pregnant?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
They,re bringing the daughter’s fiancee to the convention tonight. A very good move in my opinion.

I have my doubts…the kid makes Kevin Federline and the dude who knocked up Jamie Lynn Spears look like rocket scientists. He had some ridiculous things up on a myspace page before they made him take it down. He also stated he did not want kids. He better be well-coached. Even if actually politically expedient, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do either. Sarah should shield Bristol and kid from publicity to the greatest extent possible. If their private lives are supposed to be out of bounds, why the hell is she bringing him to the convention and putting him on display?[/quote]

I disagree. All they need is for the 2 of them to LOOK like a family in the making. Unless they keep the daughter from public appearance as well. I say the fiancee in a suit appearing mature standing next to her looks better than her standing there alone or not at all. This is big league hardball. Palin IS the pick. If they are not going to do what they have to within anything like sane limits to win then the campaign is over. Them simply being there isn’t hurting anybody.

Also, if this family is as strong as we’re led to believe this girl is not going to go to pieces over this. People have gotten pregnant and married in that order forever in this country. Stats from the 50’s show that unmarried pregnancy was pretty common except the people got married, just like these people are. It’s only an issue because of Palin’s traditional views which will be better represented by the happy couple and parents to be just being there looking that way.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

As far as money being spent…don’t spend my money on sex ed, of any sort. How about actually teaching science and math at a high level again? Leave the parenting to me.

Now, is it any more ironic than a young girl educated in dry humping and chemical contraception (nowadays we medicate our children’s moods, and their reproduction…oh well), still getting pregnant?[/quote]

That says just about all that needs to be said, IMO.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I addressed the “irony” of it in the first paragraph. It’s like saying, “how ironic that a chronic liar would come from a family that teaches honesty.” It happens, and noone stands around thinking “how ironic.” [/quote]

Noone? A lot of people are standing around thinking just that about this case.

A better example though would be that a politician pushing the death penalty for lies ends up with a chronic liar for a kid.

You really don’t get it, do you? The scoop here isn’t that the chick got knocked up. It’s 1) that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views 2) that her mother campaigns actively against teaching kids about contraceptions or the birds and bees.

We don’t know what education the girl got at home but one can speculate that it’s in line with Palin’s public stance on the issue. The “incident” is used to poke fun at conservative views on sex and abortion with the added benefit of scoring political points in this electoral season. If you can’t see that, you’re just not trying.

Of course, the result is that it’s rallying the Christian Right around a candidate they dislike. Gotta love two-party systems…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
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Where are you guys getting your strategery from? Hiding her daughter and that guy from the convention would give the appearance that Palin was ashamed. She does that, and she might as well bend over and get ready for the left to ram it up her ass.

Fuck that. Everyone brings their families to the Convention - especially if they are proud of them. If they are worth fighting for, who gives a shit what the pussies on the left think? At least she’s taking the fight to them.

Just because they attend a night or two of the RNC nowhere close to giving permission to delve into their personal lives - as if the left-wing blogosphere is going to NOT delve into their personal lives either way.

Nope - she’s taking the fight to the fucking liberals. And it’s about time someone on the right had a pair of balls big enough to do that. [/quote]

Hm, so let me clarify: it’s inacceptable to use it against Paulin that her teenage daughter is pregnant with some bloke. Valid point. But it is acceptable for her to use this as part of the ‘family values’ circus which is part of her campaign - that’s taking the fight to the liberals?

Obviously, it works with the religious right as you can see from the delight at the conference over her teenage daughter marrying this guy. From a really family oriented parent I would have expected to just give my pregnant child a bit of a break and not take her into the fight against the liberals (or anyone else for that matter). That’s all - maybe bad strategy, but I thought family came first.

My principal point is that parading your family as part of your campaign is simply bullshit and a farce - whatever your political party is. I know it’s part of the system - but it just sucks.

Makkun

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I addressed the “irony” of it in the first paragraph. It’s like saying, “how ironic that a chronic liar would come from a family that teaches honesty.” It happens, and noone stands around thinking “how ironic.”

Noone? A lot of people are standing around thinking just that about this case.

A better example though would be that a politician pushing the death penalty for lies ends up with a chronic liar for a kid.

You mean, a daughter of a conservative can get pregnant, contrary to their upbringing?! Stop the presses, the leftists have just discovered something we already knew!

You really don’t get it, do you? The scoop here isn’t that the chick got knocked up. It’s 1) that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views 2) that her mother campaigns actively against teaching kids about contraceptions or the birds and bees.

We don’t know what education the girl got at home but one can speculate that it’s in line with Palin’s public stance on the issue. The “incident” is used to poke fun at conservative views on sex and abortion with the added benefit of scoring political points in this electoral season. If you can’t see that, you’re just not trying.

Of course, the result is that it’s rallying the Christian Right around a candidate they dislike. Gotta love two-party systems…[/quote]

Boy, do your parents know your on the computer when you should be doing your school work?

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[quote]lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views [/quote]

Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

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[quote]doogie wrote:
lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?[/quote]

Before this gets jumped on: I think lixy is not referring to abortion but her being knocked up. Hence the use of apostrophe and “s”: “she’s stuck with” rather than “she stuck with”. It also makes sense in the context of the paragraph.

Makkun

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[quote]doogie wrote:
lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

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In the liberal worldview, the only thing that is actually “wrong” is hypocrisy. If conservatives claim to hold to certain values, they are “wrong” because they don’t hold to them 100% of the time. They make mistakes. Liberals avoid this pitfall by having no values.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
doogie wrote:
lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

In the liberal worldview, the only thing that is actually “wrong” is hypocrisy. If conservatives claim to hold to certain values, they are “wrong” because they don’t hold to them 100% of the time. They make mistakes. Liberals avoid this pitfall by having no values. [/quote]

Makkun beet meh too it, but.,. Learn2Grammar fools,

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[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
doogie wrote:
lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

In the liberal worldview, the only thing that is actually “wrong” is hypocrisy. If conservatives claim to hold to certain values, they are “wrong” because they don’t hold to them 100% of the time. They make mistakes. Liberals avoid this pitfall by having no values.

Makkun beet meh too it, but.,. Learn2Grammar fools,[/quote]

We can’t all be as intelligent as you and Makkun. If we were though, you’d miss out on one of the greatest joys of liberalism, especially as enjoyed by New York liberal Jews such as yourself: looking down upon those who kant rite nice lik u. It must be a big ego boost to consistently be able to turn your nose up at those backwards hillbillies of middle Amerikkka.

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[quote]makkun wrote:
Hm, so let me clarify: it’s inacceptable to use it against Paulin that her teenage daughter is pregnant with some bloke. Valid point. But it is acceptable for her to use this as part of the ‘family values’ circus which is part of her campaign - that’s taking the fight to the liberals?[/quote]

Well you missed, slick.

Your first mistake is assuming the left give s flying fuck about acceptable, or inacceptable. They don’t. They are going to try and destroy her regardless.

Secondly - and it’s no big deal, you’ll be writing it a lot over the next 12 years, but her name is PALIN, not “Paulin”.

Third - loving one’s family is not a circus. Believe it or not, there are those of us in fly-over country that are viciously pro-family. You can use whatever term makes you feel superior to describe her stances, but I think it just demonstrates the exact sentiment Palin is trying to draw out of the left: Elitism.

But nonetheless - her daughter fucked up. How long do you think that is going to remain a private matter? It will never be a private matter - the left-wing hate squads will make sure of it. So why should she ignore it? Bring it out where it will wind up anyway. Take the fight to them. Act instead of react.

It’s not the dilema you seem to think it is - unless you actually believe that the kos’ers will lay off. If so - I have a lovely parcel of property i would love to sell you.

Family does come first. And when there is a fight brewing, you all fight together. You don’t divide up the troops because one of them has fucked up. She’s a throw back to the old days.

[quote]My principal point is that parading your family as part of your campaign is simply bullshit and a farce - whatever your political party is. I know it’s part of the system - but it just sucks.
[/quote]

Where is the parade? The girl is going to be at the convention to support her mom. It’s not like they are making her give a speech. I’m pretty sure her daughter ranks a little higher than a political pawn. You guys just can’t comprehend that there are some families that fight together.

I can’t help but think that, had Palin sequestered her daughter, you guys would be wondering why she didn’t take her to the convention. I also think that the left is a little upset that this idiot right winger religious fanatic is cutting them off at the pass.

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[quote]

lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

doogie wrote:
Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

makkun wrote:
Before this gets jumped on: I think lixy is not referring to abortion but her being knocked up. Hence the use of apostrophe and “s”: “she’s stuck with” rather than “she stuck with”. It also makes sense in the context of the paragraph.

Makkun[/quote]

I think the apostrophe and “s” are for “she has” stuck with it, not “she is” stuck with it. She isn’t stuck with the kid because of her family’s views.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
bald eagle wrote:

To go on and on with you is pointless.

Then get the fuck out of the politics forum. You make bullshit claims and then cower when someone calls you on it, and tell them to play in traffic?

You ain’t made for this.[/quote]

How long should one argue with an obviously disturbed liberal? I have better things to do than to keep on conversing with someone whose IQ is obviously struggling the reach high double digits.

Now run along, shoo.

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Because of political motivations in THIS case. Noone sits around going “huh, isn’t it ironic that Mrs. X has taught herchildren not to lie, though her daughter told a lie to a teacher the other day.” Do you really rub your hands together and go “ooooh, how ironic. Stuck up bitch, teaching honesty!”

If people actually supported this, you’d be suprised if some of the proponents’ kids were liars? I wouldn’t, and wouldn’t find it ironic. Nor, would I find it ironic that a person who supports imprisoning theives, might end up with a thief for a son. Given enough people, and it’s bound to happen.

  1. Omg, she’s stuck with a developing human in her womb, as the result of choosing to procreate! What, a ghoulish mindset you pro-choicers have.
    2)Um, I don’t want someone teaching my kids about contraception either. Who the hell do you people think you are? Our damn overlords? They’ll learn about contraception and my stance on it, from me.

The birds and the bees? Give it up. That’s basic high school A&P, not Sex Ed. Do you really think she got pregnant by saying, “Hey, what’s this orifice with hair around it, sweetheart? And, what’s that rigid limb protruding from between your legs? Shall we try to merge them together and see if we become Voltron? Ugh, what’s that fluid you left in me?!”

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They have the fiancee there just like I’d hoped. Dressed in a nice suit looking all dapper sitting next to the daughter. Sharp move.

Edit: At least I think that was him.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

“What’s that rigid limb protruding from between your legs? Shall we try to merge them together and see if we become Voltron?”
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Lol! I just spit milk over my keyboard. If i end up needing another one, I’m coming for you.